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When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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Mothra

United States

#40038 Sep 30, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
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I would agree that the current problem is due to the Republican/Tea Party. The fact is that the House (dominated by the Republicans) as well as the Senate passed the bill. It has already passed the 'test' of getting Congressional approval.
To now hold the country hostage to try to kill it financially is tantamount to a coup. And it certainly indicates that the right wing political scene doesn't understand the concept of Government where votes passed are done and then you move on and do the next thing. And there are a LOT of next things pending.
Section 7.

All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as on other Bills.

The Senate overstepped their authority by creating a revenue bill.
John Muthukat

Mumbai, India

#40039 Sep 30, 2013
We are now living in an era of dysfunctional leaders and “gesture politics”. Perpetually confronted with catastrophic problems and becoming desperate, for example, by continually finding poison everywhere – in the water we drink, in the air we breathe, in the food we eat, in the environment (for example, increasing global warming, radiation-ridden atmosphere etc.) we live – apart from other pestering problems, we naturally end up with no option other than looking towards our leaders for the immediate relief.
Now let us examine what our leaders, who are supposed to regard politics as a vocation and as a means for building up society for the common good, do today. Today most people wonder as to where have all the leaders gone. There are no leaders with the vision to overcome conflicting self-interests and personal prejudices; leaders who operate from a vision that influences others – either for good or bad. We know that the truly great can shape events that will permanently change the course of history. When we look around where do we see the leaders who can measure up? Where are those leaders whose courage and conviction literally saved a whole people, whose determination changed the course of history?
As things stand today, in a state of fast creeping societal degeneration, most of our politicians don’t see politics as an area of great importance for promoting justice, fairness, humaneness, development and community among all. They see politics as something one can use to gain fame, wealth and power. They see politics as a job for earning a living, allowances of all sorts and other personal material benefits. And for this reason their participation in politics is not propelled by noble values or sentiments.
We have looked into our dysfunctional governing institutions for leadership and directions, without understanding that, in their present form, this is not possible. Their operational premises, and the beliefs of their minions, not recognizing and completely ignorant of the nature of existence, make our institutions the least likely source of direction.
Our institutions have foundation premises born out of ancient ignorance and superstition. Regardless of the progress they make, these systems maintain fundamental ideas that generate misdirection and hold humanity bound and helpless in the throes of institutionalized dementia. Now let us examine the latest development in this respect.
Close on the heels of monumental failure of the much haunted first “Earth Summit” in Rio de Janeiro in 1992 which was attended by over 118 presidents, prime ministers and kings, among other world leaders, celebrated experts and top scientists, the 2010 assemblage of world leaders at Copenhagen for finding immediate solution to the globally frightening global warming miserably failed to deliver a legally binding deal that will begin to reduce the world’s greenhouse gas emissions that are the cause of catastrophic climate change.
“Collapse at Copenhagen”, was how meaningful observers concluded. There’s nothing even close to binding limits on CO2 emissions, the agreement would be toothless and meaningless. The weakest global politics ended amid deep unease about the world’s ability to rise to key 21st century challenges. President Barak Obama’s plan to deal with Brazil, China, India and South Africa failed because none had a plan to deal with humans in their respective nations. Can the world leaders, let alone Obama, get anything done?
Most resort to the risk-free “gesture politics”– an empty pledge given solely for effect, which the politician has no hope of honoring – one could not expect better from these leaders on how they want us to fight climate change. Kyoto was the first step; Copenhagen was supposed to build on it but the reality is that we have yet to start the first.
gcaveman1

Laurel, MS

#40040 Sep 30, 2013
Al Gore, the most hated capitalists among capitalists in the nation. Perhaps he would have gotten more respect had he gone into another branch of capitalism, like meth distribution.

We'll all be paying more for fossil fuel energy, as it becomes more scarce.

But alternative energy is getting cheaper all the time, so you don't have to pay more and you don't have to be a loser.

Unless you want to be.
MSgc2

Eden Prairie, MN

#40041 Sep 30, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
Only an anti-government tea-party-type denier (who can't tell the difference between two different graphs You're fucked.
Are you recording this? Are you paying attention?
Are you paying attention while I screw your little butthole?
Did you enjoy all this as much as I did?) would blame the government for coastal development.?
You are a sick MF and your poisonous words castrate the messenger of your hateful lies about life giving CO2.

(Translated for the benefit of an MS inbreed: your perverted efforts do more harm than good for your pagan cause)
kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#40042 Sep 30, 2013
Mothra wrote:
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LOL
Your 'red herring' claim is the red herring. You expect me to 'sniff and follow' your little screed?
Nope.
But do tell us of all those emissions they create and the corresponding offsets.
But I notice, not a peep on the non-science advocates and politicians that say they believe in the crisis, but don't act as if there is one.
If Al Gore truly believed what he is peddling, he would be in the fetal position crying with this meteorologist and staying off all airplanes:

Eric Holthaus, on Friday afternoon tweeted:'No children, happy to go extinct, which in and of itself, carries a certain sadness.#IPCC'

His next tweet said:'Its a very emotional decision. Mixed feelings. adios babies?'

According to another tweet from Holthaus, the Dutch artist known as Tinkebell, who calls attention to animal rights issues through works that use the remains of dead animals, had herself sterilised last week for a similar reason.

Holthaus, who now writes for Quartz, has decided he will also reduce his carbon footprint by giving up on air travel.

‘I just broke down in tears in boarding area at SFO while on phone with my wife. I've never cried because of a science report before.#IPCC,’ was his first tweet on around 2pm on Friday.

‘I realised just now: This has to be the last flight I ever take. I’m committing right now to stop flying. It’s not worth the climate,’ he tweeted a few minutes later.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-24365...
kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#40043 Sep 30, 2013
MSgc2 wrote:
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You are a sick MF and your poisonous words castrate the messenger of your hateful lies about life giving CO2.
(Translated for the benefit of an MS inbreed: your perverted efforts do more harm than good for your pagan cause)
Thank you for pointing out what a disgusting, sick, perverted pig caveman is.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#40044 Sep 30, 2013
Mothra wrote:
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The winners today? Al Gore, for one.
The losers? Everyone paying higher prices for energy.
Still whinninning!

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#40045 Sep 30, 2013
Mothra wrote:
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Section 7.
All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as on other Bills.
The Senate overstepped their authority by creating a revenue bill.
Somebody needs to do it. It is certain that the House doesn't have the intelligence to do it. They are a bunch of whinnnners....
LessHypeMoreFact

Etobicoke, Canada

#40046 Sep 30, 2013
Mothra wrote:
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Actually, it's the most vocal that should be leading by example.
Not required by any standard. The guy who wanted to go to the moon (you know, Mr. Kennedy) didn't have to built a single ladder. Nor did the guy behind the first farm bill have to run a farm. We are supposed to be intelligent and know how to transfer theory into practice.
Mothra wrote:
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But they're not.
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/06/al-gores-man...
"Kalee Kreider, a spokeswoman for Gore, didn’t dispute the electricity figures published by the AP at the time. But she said that the Gores work from their home and purchase energy from renewable solar, wind and methane gas sources. She argued that by participating in the "green" utility program and investing in renewable energy projects worldwide, the Gores were living a "carbon-neutral lifestyle." "

Buying wind and solar power means that his consumption is not causing AGW. He IS putting his money where his mouth is. The hypocrite here is YOU.
Mothra wrote:
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Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.
Why. Are you afraid they might find you? Or maybe track you down and find out what a nutbar you are?

“BET DAP”

Level 4

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#40047 Sep 30, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
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Here we go, if nothing else to offer the ole "UN commie plot" comes out. Can you enlighten us on who will be the winners and losers in emission regulations. All I can see is Green Tech being the winner and a whole new economy springing from it. The losers well, I guess the fossil fuel industry. But how does that equate to an anti American agenda when all of the most prominent anti American countries are oil producers. Also America's biggest competitors are the highest emitters, so go figure. You think its a UN plot designed to hurt the US. Please give me a break!
okay, Ozzie , lets take this one step at a time, alright?????
Just who are the anti American oil nations we buy from that aren't UN members???
I'll wait for your response and then we can move on from there.....okie doke???
Jeff

Beckley, WV

#40048 Sep 30, 2013
Mothra wrote:
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The winners today? Al Gore, for one.
The losers? Everyone paying higher prices for energy.
The greenies keep saying we are using more green energy that is cleaner and cheaper. Why are we paying more for it?
kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#40049 Sep 30, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
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Do you want the German example instead ? If it wasn't for American Tea Party'rs the US would be far further advanced in recovery from the GFC. They have issues with breathing, let alone running a government. Home grown American Taliban that seems more of an appropriate label than tea party. Which is a lot more destructive than anything the Chinese or anyone else is doing for that matter.
Awww....Oz still hearts China. Gotta love those Chinese... I mean who doesn't love a government who can shut down parts of the internet, put people in prison for political dissent, and then harass their families and put them under house arrest? But hey as long as they tell us they are cutting CO2 emissions, then China is so awesome!!!! Go China.

In describing China’s recent and increasing harassment of activists’ families, U.S. officials said they raised the examples of imprisoned Nobel Peace Prize winner Liu Xiaobo, whose wife has been under house arrest and whose brother was recently sentenced to prison, and blind lawyer Chen Guangcheng, whose nephew has been imprisoned while other relatives have found their home frequently under attack.

At the meeting in the southern city of Kunming, U.S. officials said, they also brought up several specific cases of well-known dissidents who are believed to be imprisoned by the government, including human rights lawyer Gao Zhisheng and anti-corruption activist Xu Zhiyong. His arrest last month prompted open letters of protest by liberal intellectuals in China.

Other cases specifically discussed were those of Tibetan documentary filmmaker Dhondup Wangchen, government petitioner Ni Yulan, Mongolian dissident Hada and Uighur journalist Gheyret Niyaz.

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-08-02...
Mothra

United States

#40050 Sep 30, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
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Still whinninning!
You really must stop taking posting tips from SpaceBlues.

Oh wait... you're already a clown.
Mothra

United States

#40051 Sep 30, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
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Somebody needs to do it. It is certain that the House doesn't have the intelligence to do it. They are a bunch of whinnnners....
The House has passed a number of revenue bills.

Do keep up... you look more foolish with each post.
Mothra

United States

#40052 Sep 30, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
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Not required by any standard. The guy who wanted to go to the moon (you know, Mr. Kennedy) didn't have to built a single ladder. Nor did the guy behind the first farm bill have to run a farm. We are supposed to be intelligent and know how to transfer theory into practice.
<quoted text>
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/06/al-gores-man...
"Kalee Kreider, a spokeswoman for Gore, didn’t dispute the electricity figures published by the AP at the time. But she said that the Gores work from their home and purchase energy from renewable solar, wind and methane gas sources. She argued that by participating in the "green" utility program and investing in renewable energy projects worldwide, the Gores were living a "carbon-neutral lifestyle." "
Buying wind and solar power means that his consumption is not causing AGW. He IS putting his money where his mouth is. The hypocrite here is YOU.
<quoted text>
Why. Are you afraid they might find you? Or maybe track you down and find out what a nutbar you are?
Sorry, but a 4 year old post on Al Gore's 'first' mansion doesn't work towards his SUV caravans to his private planes to his speaking engagements.

Yet, you still haven't offered any criticism... just a weak defense.
kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#40053 Sep 30, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
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Not required by any standard. The guy who wanted to go to the moon (you know, Mr. Kennedy) didn't have to built a single ladder. Nor did the guy behind the first farm bill have to run a farm. We are supposed to be intelligent and know how to transfer theory into practice.
<quoted text>
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/06/al-gores-man...
"Kalee Kreider, a spokeswoman for Gore, didn’t dispute the electricity figures published by the AP at the time. But she said that the Gores work from their home and purchase energy from renewable solar, wind and methane gas sources. She argued that by participating in the "green" utility program and investing in renewable energy projects worldwide, the Gores were living a "carbon-neutral lifestyle." "
Buying wind and solar power means that his consumption is not causing AGW. He IS putting his money where his mouth is. The hypocrite here is YOU.
<quoted text>
Why. Are you afraid they might find you? Or maybe track you down and find out what a nutbar you are?
Does he work from his beach-side mansion too? Why did Al Gore buy a mansion on the beach if the sea levels are rising. Seems like a bad investment. Why does Al Gore need 2 homes? Why is Al Gore not crying and scared like that meteorologist who is going to have a vasectomy and will never fly again? Why is some meteorologist giving up having a family and travel and Al Gore isn't doing the same thing? According to the meteorologist, flying is not worth the climate. Ozritz posted a link a few weeks ago that said we all need to give up overseas trips to help the climate. Why can't Al Gore give up his overseas trips? He is included in ALL OF US isn't he? Or is he more special than us?
JBH

Surrey, Canada

#40054 Sep 30, 2013
History will show it is a bad business of Russia to call on the removal of Syria's chemical weapons in order to have USA not to strike it.
It is a bad call business from Russia because the signal shows THAT only forces of pointing guns or using military to people can only work under the threats for demanding people to do anything or surrender, as that also demonstrates the way US does things.
The message is clear--people must do according to what others (like US) say to them, like criminals pointing guns to people to assault or force and rape them.
US is seen as a bad country by using weapons to do abuses and rapes of the world people. US is bad because it cannot have reasoning cause but uses threats all the time to pose insecurity to the world's safety defense.
That is the same way of how violences run wildly and rampantly in US .
By still calling for bad a country US (e.g., to dismantle Syria weapons) is very bad business.
History has shown not the crazy Saddam (no matter how much he was unlikable), but exhibited the insane, crazy Bush from US by using weapons inspection invasion.
History has shown only better militaries and weapons in certain and smaller countries are safer than in US--as US is now like former WWII Japan and Germany.
The business is bad because they think that weapons such as chemical or other sorts like nuclear are dangerous in the hands of Syria, THAT THEY HAVE TO DESTROY THOSE OF SYRIA--having stories just like the Iraq having chemical weapons, or others' like North Korea and Iran for Nukes.
The business is bad because people don't want to see again time after time to go on to do the same thing to dismantle the same thing like Iraq's WMD as this time the other Syria.
History will show, as it demonstrates that they never learn for Iraq, AS it does resemble IRAQ inspection, just as the inspection being alike to A VERY BAD BUSINESS BY BUSH.
Obama calling redline on Syria makes very bad cases these days. US cannot prove it and thinks it will invade any country by exerting its military which poses threats to many countries and people around the world--that tells US is a very rampant and deranged country, to do military all the time in this modern century by picking on others to say to strike and slaughter them (like criminals having weapons to threaten others to do assault and abuses.)
The business is so bad to do again to Syria as if US has not enough of doing the standpoint of DESTRUCTION of the Iraq WMD again.
Because US already has enough big weapons, to call on smaller countries, such as North Korea and Iran having nukes as a threat is ridiculous.
Only big weapons have threats to under-armed countries like NK and Iran, Syria (by needing defense.)
UN is bad business to disarm small countries, but not US as its weapons have not been used for defense, but for doing invasion and massacre.
Mo country is a threat to US, since it already has enough, big military, weapons and nukes.
US military and weapons are constant threats to the world at all time high instead, as it still wants to do lots of wars and to strike others these days, as wanting to do unwanted things like another Hitler after Hitler period.
World History will prove all these to this new world moving to the future.
Weapons in the hands of US are bad, as world history proves that use of weapons and US military is very bad from the time after WWII.
Yet, it has nothing to do with communism, race cultures and creed since they have association business for trade with China and Saudi Arabia, nuke weapons by NK and Iran make a safe AND BETTER world, as countries of different rare and cultures like France, China, India and Pakistan already have nukes as well.
After WWII, people have been all wrong as no change of world has been done by US. NO country can be a super power that can change the world, from US, China, Russia, or UN in this modern world.
But human race on the planet can effect the change.
If people can live enough, they will see the change.
Mothra

United States

#40055 Sep 30, 2013
kristy wrote:
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Does he work from his beach-side mansion too? Why did Al Gore buy a mansion on the beach if the sea levels are rising. Seems like a bad investment. Why does Al Gore need 2 homes? Why is Al Gore not crying and scared like that meteorologist who is going to have a vasectomy and will never fly again? Why is some meteorologist giving up having a family and travel and Al Gore isn't doing the same thing? According to the meteorologist, flying is not worth the climate. Ozritz posted a link a few weeks ago that said we all need to give up overseas trips to help the climate. Why can't Al Gore give up his overseas trips? He is included in ALL OF US isn't he? Or is he more special than us?
Do you even wonder what Al Gore knows that he isn't telling everyone? Maybe he's acting out a TV persona, aka paid spokesperson.

Joe Sixpack hears the doom and gloom from people like Al Gore, then notice stuff.
... like his plane trips
... like his mansions
... like his SUV caravans to and from his speaking engagements (I wonder if he still leaves the engines running during the events)

Joe Sixpack says, "Hey... this guy talks about crisis, but doesn't act like it. Why should I?"

Warmists, in response, say, "Conspiracy!" "Denier!" "Anti-science!" "He buys carbon credits!"

But not a bit of criticism nor any questions about it from any global warming watchdogs.

Joe Sixpack knows a hypocrite when he sees one.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#40056 Sep 30, 2013
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>okay, Ozzie , lets take this one step at a time, alright?????
Just who are the anti American oil nations we buy from that aren't UN members???
I'll wait for your response and then we can move on from there.....okie doke???
What is that supposed to prove, my point was that those same UN nations with oil based economies would take a lot bigger hit than the US. So to state global warming is anti American is like ignoring half the planet whose economies rely on those same fossil fuel industries. Coming out of that and succeeding will be who is smarter to adapt or who will just sit on their but and whine about it.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#40057 Sep 30, 2013
kristy wrote:
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Awww....Oz still hearts China. Gotta love those Chinese... I mean who doesn't love a government who can shut down parts of the internet, put people in prison for political dissent, and then harass their families and put them under house arrest? But hey as long as they tell us they are cutting CO2 emissions, then China is so awesome!!!! Go China.
..........
I thought Climate change was a GLOBAL problem, not just a US problem. So if i mention any other country other than the US in regards to what they might be doing about emissions this makes me suddenly a fan. If you want the USA to be the light on the hill for all those other countries lost in the wilderness then write to your local Republican and tell them to give America a functioning government! That would be the first step in setting an example.

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