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There are 64113 comments on the Newsday story from Dec 14, 2008, titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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"the green troll"

#37452 Jul 26, 2013
kristy wrote:
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Yes. Nińo–Southern Oscillation is a strong driver of interannual global mean temperature variations. ENSO and non-ENSO contributions can be separated by the method of Thompson et al.(2008). The trend in the ENSO-related component for 1999–2008
is +0.08±0.07°C decade, fully accounting for the overall observed
trend. The trend after removing ENSO (the "ENSO-adjusted"
trend) is 0.00°±0.05°C decade, implying much greater disagreement with anticipated global temperature rise.
You can read it here pages 22 and 23.
http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/cmb/bams-s...
1999-2008 is not a 16 year period krusty.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Level 10

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#37453 Jul 27, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
Ninety million tons of manmade heat-trapping CO2 are emitted each day. b_gone lies here because of fossil fuels job.
We should be freeing more life giving man-made heat trapping carbon dioxide; it's fun and profitable. I advocate a trillion tons a day; let's play!
kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#37454 Jul 27, 2013
B as in B S as in S wrote:
<quoted text>
Ms. Kristy and Mr. Farmer,
I agree with you guys regarding these international banking schemes that are created ostensibly to help the poor. It does appear that aid is structured to benefit those who administer the funds i.e. the banks. Each of you eloquently described an example of such conduct and there are many other programs like them.
So readers may wonder how this relates to the claim;t GW was slow but is now speeding up? Well I believe the aforementioned principles that have corrupted honorable efforts to help the poor are influencing the efforts of people concerned about Carbon Driven Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Climate Disruption. I suspect most reasonable people also could find evidence of such influences.
I watched the Men Who Built America on the History Channel. One thing I noted was that anytime one of the titans felt threatened of losing their power or money or if they wanted to get rid of a competitor, they would use fear. They drum up public fear campaigns. Example, JP Morgan was funding Edison and Edison was promoting DC power. When Westinghouse came out with AC power, Edison started a public fear campaign that AC power would kill. Edison and team even designed the electric chair and made sure the first electrocution used AC power. The 2008 bailouts happened because we were told not bailing out failure would pretty much be the end of the world. You notice a central theme throughout global warming that by not doing anything, we are dooming ourselves and our children to their demise. But there is one central player in all of these fear campaigns and that would be the central banks and the investment firms. Goldman Sachs greatly wanted cap and trade pass.

From Rolling Stone article 2009:

Goldman wants this bill. The plan is (1) to get in on the ground floor of paradigm-shifting legislation,(2) make sure that they’re the profit-making slice of that paradigm and (3) make sure the slice is a big slice. Goldman started pushing hard for cap-and-trade long ago, but things really ramped up last year when the firm spent $3.5 million to lobby climate issues.(One of their lobbyists at the time was none other than Patterson, now Treasury chief of staff.) Back in 2005, when Hank Paulson was chief of Goldman, he personally helped author the bank’s environmental policy, a document that contains some surprising elements for a firm that in all other areas has been consistently opposed to any sort of government regulation. Paulson’s report argued that “voluntary action alone cannot solve the climate-change problem.” A few years later, the bank’s carbon chief, Ken Newcombe, insisted that cap-and-trade alone won’t be enough to fix the climate problem and called for further public investments in research and development. Which is convenient, considering that Goldman made early investments in wind power (it bought a subsidiary called Horizon Wind Energy), renewable diesel (it is an investor in a firm called Changing World Technologies) and solar power (it partnered with BP Solar), exactly the kind of deals that will prosper if the government forces energy producers to use cleaner energy. As Paulson said at the time,“We’re not making those investments to lose money.”
kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#37455 Jul 27, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
Is building the dam a good thing or not? You disparaged my posts then in turn agree with the idea building from the bottom up. It seems that you just like to be obtuse.
My thinking on this is that a dam would be good, but like you said in Africa it can't work. You were right. And that is due to the corruption and the wars. What really changed me was reading about how the IMF and World Bank have funded so many of these projects and then we see them fail, go into debt, and then to see the IMF and World Bank literally do the same thing all over again is insane and keeps the poor in poverty and the IMF and World Bank and Federal Reserve are robbing us because all of this money comes from us, the taxpayers. Most of this funding is done without congress and to this day, the Fed will not open its books to any member of Congress, let alone the public.
kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#37456 Jul 27, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
1999-2008 is not a 16 year period krusty.
My point in posting that was to show that in 2008, NOAA said this:

Near-zero and even negative trends are common for intervals of a decade or less in the simulations, due to the model’s internal climate variability. The simulations rule out (at the 95% level) ZERO TRENDS FOR INTERVALS OF 15 yr OR MORE, suggesting that an observed absence of warming of this duration is needed to create a discrepancy with the expected present-day warming rate.

The simulations also produce an average increase of 2.0°C in twenty-first century global temperature, demonstrating that recent observational trends are not sufficient to discount predictions of substantial climate change and its significant and widespread impacts. Given the likelihood that internal variability contributed to the slowing of global temperature rise in the last decade, WE EXPECT THAT WARMING WILL RESUME IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS, CONSISTENT WITH PREDICTIONS FROM NEAR-TERM CLIMATE FORECASTS.

(So now we are 16 years into a pause and NOAA said in 2008, it would take a 15-year pause to create a discrepancy with the expected present day warming rate.)
kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#37457 Jul 27, 2013
Coal is King wrote:
Example of the moral quality of the top men in the IMF.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/07/26/ex-im...
It really makes me sad that so many people without moral character run for office. Or once they get in office, they lose all their morals. If someone will cheat on their spouses, lie to their families then they should never have the public trust.

Level 1

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#37458 Jul 27, 2013
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
My point in posting that was to show that in 2008, NOAA said this:
Near-zero and even negative trends are common for intervals of a decade or less in the simulations, due to the model’s internal climate variability. The simulations rule out (at the 95% level) ZERO TRENDS FOR INTERVALS OF 15 yr OR MORE, suggesting that an observed absence of warming of this duration is needed to create a discrepancy with the expected present-day warming rate.
The simulations also produce an average increase of 2.0°C in twenty-first century global temperature, demonstrating that recent observational trends are not sufficient to discount predictions of substantial climate change and its significant and widespread impacts. Given the likelihood that internal variability contributed to the slowing of global temperature rise in the last decade, WE EXPECT THAT WARMING WILL RESUME IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS, CONSISTENT WITH PREDICTIONS FROM NEAR-TERM CLIMATE FORECASTS.
(So now we are 16 years into a pause and NOAA said in 2008, it would take a 15-year pause to create a discrepancy with the expected present day warming rate.)
Watching you trip over your clown shoes is not so funny the second time, krusty. Find a new gag- this ones getting a bit old.

Your link is talking about periods in the ENSO-adjusted temperatures.

There is not a pause in the 15 year ENSO-adjusted temperatures- they show a strong positive trend over that period.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#37459 Jul 27, 2013
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
My thinking on this is that a dam would be good, but like you said in Africa it can't work. You were right. And that is due to the corruption and the wars. What really changed me was reading about how the IMF and World Bank have funded so many of these projects and then we see them fail, go into debt, and then to see the IMF and World Bank literally do the same thing all over again is insane and keeps the poor in poverty and the IMF and World Bank and Federal Reserve are robbing us because all of this money comes from us, the taxpayers. Most of this funding is done without congress and to this day, the Fed will not open its books to any member of Congress, let alone the public.
<BG>
SpaceBlues

United States

#37460 Jul 27, 2013
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>Wot, no question mark?
Wot? What is that?
SpaceBlues

United States

#37461 Jul 27, 2013
How funny is the science deniers <mainly liars themselves> playing the morality card?

It goes with their general dishonesty and hypocrisy.

Good grief.
B as in B S as in S

Eden Prairie, MN

#37462 Jul 27, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
There is not a pause in the 15 year ENSO-adjusted temperatures- they show a strong positive trend over that period.
Too funny.
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>Science moves on science deniers don't
From the Met Office: "The scientific questions posed by the current pause in global surface warming require us to understand in much greater detail the flows of energy into, out of, and around the Earth system. Current observations are not detailed enough or of long enough duration to provide definitive answers on the causes of the recent pause, and therefore do not enable us to close the Earth’s energy budget."

Which means... Currently there IS a pause and they can not explain it.

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/media/pdf/q/0/Pap...

Deny it or deal with it... it's up to you.

Level 1

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#37463 Jul 27, 2013
B as in B S as in S wrote:
<quoted text>
Too funny.
<quoted text>
From the Met Office: "The scientific questions posed by the current pause in global surface warming require us to understand in much greater detail the flows of energy into, out of, and around the Earth system. Current observations are not detailed enough or of long enough duration to provide definitive answers on the causes of the recent pause, and therefore do not enable us to close the Earth’s energy budget."
Which means... Currently there IS a pause and they can not explain it.
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/media/pdf/q/0/Pap...
Deny it or deal with it... it's up to you.
Not in the ENSO-adjusted temperatures there isn't.

Level 1

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#37464 Jul 27, 2013
kristy wrote:
Well, how about NOAA? Let’s go back to their State of the Climate report 2008. Here is what they have to say about the pause in warming:
The 10 model simulations (a total of 700 years of simulation) possess 17 nonoverlapping decades with trends in ENSO-adjusted global mean temperature within the uncertainty range of the observed 1999–2008 trend (&#8722;0.05° to 0.05°C decade–1).
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
My point in posting that was to show that in 2008, NOAA said this:
Near-zero and even negative trends are common for intervals of a decade or less in the simulations, due to the model’s internal climate variability. The simulations rule out (at the 95% level) ZERO TRENDS FOR INTERVALS OF 15 yr OR MORE, suggesting that an observed absence of warming of this duration is needed to create a discrepancy with the expected present-day warming rate.
LOL.

So your response to my pointing out that the report referred to ENSO-adjusted temperatures is to simply leave out the bit about ENSO-adjusted temperatures and try again.

You really are a clown.
B as in B S as in S

Eden Prairie, MN

#37465 Jul 27, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
Not in the ENSO-adjusted temperatures there isn't.
Ok I'll play just this once...

In the ENSO it is too!

Level 1

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#37466 Jul 27, 2013
B as in B S as in S wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok I'll play just this once...
In the ENSO it is too!
O'RLY?

Please show me a graph.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#37467 Jul 27, 2013
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
I watched the Men Who Built America on the History Channel. One thing I noted was that anytime one of the titans felt threatened of losing their power or money or if they wanted to get rid of a competitor, they would use fear. They drum up public fear campaigns. Example, JP Morgan was funding Edison and Edison was promoting DC power. When Westinghouse came out with AC power, Edison started a public fear campaign that AC power would kill. Edison and team even designed the electric chair and made sure the first electrocution used AC power. The 2008 bailouts happened because we were told not bailing out failure would pretty much be the end of the world. You notice a central theme throughout global warming that by not doing anything, we are dooming ourselves and our children to their demise. But there is one central player in all of these fear campaigns and that would be the central banks and the investment firms. Goldman Sachs greatly wanted cap and trade pass.......
You have all the hallmarks of a fully fledged "tea bagger" this blind belief in a system that is broken yet keep recalling history as tho it's the past everyone should aspire to. The past is gone, there is no going back. Capitalism is a well oiled machine it's not going to stop for you. Did you see what happened when Lehman bros was allowed to fail. It was the start of the contagion that spread around the world at lightspeed. That's what happens when a company grows too big or banks buying smaller banks then over extending themselves because icons like Reagan drop the rule book on them. That's capitalism being oiled, the countries that did not allow their financial systems to go for broke survived the GFC intact. Canada a good example and many others. If the Banking system had been allowed to fail in the US, your house would be worth NOTHING! your kids future would be worth nothing! Yet as much as it sticks in everyone's throat good tax payers money being used to prop up greed it was a gun to the head type choice.
Yet the tea party wisdom, says no to bailouts, no to taxes and no to everything else including climate change. I was one who personally lost $200K off my retirement savings in 2008 through no fault of mine as that money was supposed to be in AAA products a supposed fail safe investment and clearly it wasn't. That was Wall St fraud, not bad investments.
So yeah, i have a barrow to push on this as well. Yet I believe that we should do something about protecting our environment even if it costs me dearly.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#37468 Jul 27, 2013
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
I watched the Men Who Built America on the History Channel.......... The 2008 bailouts happened because we were told not bailing out failure would pretty much be the end of the world. You notice a central theme throughout global warming that by not doing anything, we are dooming ourselves and our children to their demise.......
If you want to know what life would be like without bailouts take a look at Egypt right now. They are out on the streets risking their lives not just because of religious differences. It's because they have NOTHING to lose, NO future, No money and a growing population into poverty.
That is what too big to fail looks like! So wake up & learn from history instead of trying to re-live it.
kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#37469 Jul 28, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
LOL.
So your response to my pointing out that the report referred to ENSO-adjusted temperatures is to simply leave out the bit about ENSO-adjusted temperatures and try again.
You really are a clown.
Well since according to NOAA this method of ENSO-adjusted temps started in 2009, then there are not too many of these to find. How about you provide the information.
kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#37470 Jul 28, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
You have all the hallmarks of a fully fledged "tea bagger" this blind belief in a system that is broken yet keep recalling history as tho it's the past everyone should aspire to. The past is gone, there is no going back. Capitalism is a well oiled machine it's not going to stop for you. Did you see what happened when Lehman bros was allowed to fail. It was the start of the contagion that spread around the world at lightspeed. Canada a good example and many others. If the Banking system had been allowed to fail in the US, your house would be worth NOTHING! your kids future would be worth nothing! Yet as much as it sticks in everyone's throat good tax payers money being used to prop up greed it was a gun to the head type choice.
Yet the tea party wisdom, says no to bailouts, no to taxes and no to everything else including climate change. I was one who personally lost $200K off my retirement savings in 2008 through no fault of mine as that money was supposed to be in AAA products a supposed fail safe investment and clearly it wasn't. That was Wall St fraud, not bad investments.
So yeah, i have a barrow to push on this as well. Yet I believe that we should do something about protecting our environment even if it costs me dearly.
Where in my post did I say we should aspire to anything? All I was referring to was a documentary about men of industry and one of the tactics they would use to acquire more money and power. In fact watching that show is why I started reading about the Federal Reserve because it seems over and over these same men acquired most of the economy and they would always find a way to get rid of the competition and increase profits. Some of these same men with the inclusion of the Rothchilds and our government developed the Federal Reserve. Banks were failing at the time and the Federal Reserve would be here to protect us from future panics and to keep interest rates low. But look what that union of banks has actually done. It has created a banking environment where there is no fear of risky investments and they have spread the risk across all banks so that there is no incentive for the banks who were careful in regards to their reserve ratios to be so anymore. They have made themselves too big to fail on purpose.

It doesn’t matter how many laws congress passes. The Federal Reserve has their own books. We have no idea who they lend to or who pays back. The Federal Reserve does not have to answer to congress or to us. Even if you got every law you wanted passed on the banks, it still wouldn’t matter. The Federal Reserve can do what it wants when it wants. You lost 200,000 while Goldman Sachs received a bailout and special treatment and recouped all of its losses from its investments in AIG and banks overseas were funneled money through Goldman Sachs from the bailout. These bailouts have been happening for over 80 years. At some point you have to ask yourself that if protecting taxpayers was one of their goals (congress, Federal Reserve, Treasury) they would have made the banks take concessions, but in no uncertain terms, everyone is focused on making the banks whole again and in the case of the 2008 bailout, to the tune of 7 trillion dollars.

http://theweek.com/article/index/221883/the-f...

The taxpayers are not even thought of or cared about. They are simply a pawn in the game. And it has been like this since the creation of the Federal Reserve.

I would stop focusing your anger on the “tea baggers.” The anger should be directed to everyone in our government for allowing the outright theft by the banks of the citizens
kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#37471 Jul 28, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
If you want to know what life would be like without bailouts take a look at Egypt right now. They are out on the streets risking their lives not just because of religious differences. It's because they have NOTHING to lose, NO future, No money and a growing population into poverty.
That is what too big to fail looks like! So wake up & learn from history instead of trying to re-live it.
Are you kidding me? No bailouts? The aid we send every year to Egypt pays for 80% of their military and a portion of the aid pays for education and welfare services. If the Egyptian government only has to pay for 20% of the military and also gets welfare aid from us, what exactly are they doing with their money? Is there a pattern here....corrupt governments receive aid and bailout money and then don't use it to help their people and then can't pay it back and so on and so on....Maybe this is what life is like with bailouts.

Egypt has already received USD 3 billion from the United Arab Emirates, USD 2 billion of which was a cash deposit and USD 1 billion an outright grant along with another 6 billion of aid coming in from other countries.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/07/23/31523...

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