Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt...

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When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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Retired Farmer

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Retired farmer and Bozo, this thread is 'supposed' to be about the alleged speed up of Glowbull warming.
Just saying.
Human induced global warming is a political issue in the United States. It is therefore pointless and futile to discuss it without discussing the political context. To understand that political context it is necessary to understand the whole political mosaic.

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Why did you miss me?
no.....i said goodbye when i flushed you down the toilet, little turd.

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Retired Farmer wrote:
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Human induced global warming is a political issue in the United States. It is therefore pointless and futile to discuss it without discussing the political context. To understand that political context it is necessary to understand the whole political mosaic.
"human induced global warming" is entirely political.
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<quoted text>no.....i said goodbye when i flushed mine down the toilet, little turd.
LIAR.

You go on whining. Only little, huh? LOL. Mine are very big.
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ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>"human induced global warming" is entirely political.
Once again you did not comprehend what's posted.

Keep on your whining without any depth. It'll make dirt your buddy, lol.
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ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>i guess you'd know if it was or not.....if you could read and comprehend.
psssst.....doesn't reallt matter what town your isp shows in "jaspa" county. everyone is poor white trash or lazy bros-n-hoes in that part of the country. uneducated, too! you're a poster child,'maggy'. lol
Is that all you got?

Yes, it is. Certainly no intelligent debate.

Appears you're too ashamed to name your little burg. Is your racist and homophobic attitude typical of your area or are you a pariah there, as well?

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Retired Farmer wrote:
Human induced global warming is a political issue in the United States.
I had noticed that over the years I've been posting here.
Retired Farmer wrote:
It is therefore pointless and futile to discuss it without discussing the political context. To understand that political context it is necessary to understand the whole political mosaic.
FYI, discussing anything with Bozo is pointless and futile, unless you have nothing better to do, like whittling, for example.

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Certainly no intelligent debate.
Appears you're too ashamed to name your little burg.
Seems your too ashamed to register, so "your little [IP address] burg" gets named whether you like it or not.
cavemonkey wrote:
Is your racist and homophobic attitude typical of your area or are you a pariah there, as well?
Do you call that "intelligent debate?"

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Retired Farmer wrote:
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I disagree.
First, yes, the Iran hostage situation and inflation were key to Carter's defeat and Reagan's victory. But as to voter reaction to the Fed's monetary policies, it has been my observation that most people here are only vaguely aware of what the policies are. Sure, they dislike the results - or lack thereof - but they don't comprehend the policy itself. Sometimes what they think it is is directly opposite of what it really is.
As for your second paragraph, the structure that the Libertarian / Christian Right alliance has built is now the Republican Party. The old party is gone, its members either died off or been forced out/left in disgust. The new structure is very strong, a unit that is stronger than the sum of its component parts. Each part both reinforces all of the other parts and holds each one in place. If one part was to break, the result would, I admit, cause the whole structure to come crashing down. There is only one thing that I see that could cause such a crackup, however: a fight between the Christian Right and the Libertarians. If the Libertarians were to back away from the Christian Right's "moral" issues, meaning opposition to abortion and gay marriage, there would most likely be a brawl. The Republican party might actually split the way that the Democrats did in 1860. I can't see the Christian Right backing away from Libertarian economics. Most of them just aren't smart enough to recognize their own self interest in that regard.
And there is the matter of the Democrats letting their own urban-based left wing keep on doing things that reinforces the siege mentality that has taken root among rural people.
I respectfully disagree. I think it is a fragile alliance between the disjointed segments of the Republican Party. As the country becomes more diverse, the appeal of the white male philosophy will pale. The party will remain but will by necessity move back to the middle.

As far as the public understanding what the Feds did during the Carter, they only understood the result. A double digit inflation that left paychecks wanting. It was not due to welfare spending as the Neocons portrayed.

And to answer old Earthman troll, yes politic have become a player in the environmental and human rights arenas. Unfortunately, due to politics the environmental concerns have been associated with a liberal agenda (socialistic) even though those doing the association were once cognizant of the problems facing us. It is simply putting Party before Country or in this case before global considerations. Some of these folks know they are lying but are more interested in self than in doing what is best for their fellow constituents.
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ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>"human induced global warming" is entirely political.
He said it is a political issue, not that it was political. Politics has to deal with the issues of pollution and AGW is a new form of 'thermal pollution' that needs to be addressed.
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Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
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I respectfully disagree.
An interesting debate, but ultimately I don't think it solves anything. Even if you come to an agreement (and I think Retired Farmer has a 'local' viewpoint while you may be more broadly based).

The right wing USED to be the 'party of science' and economic stability. Now they are the party of ignorance, wealth and entitlement. There just aren't enough backwoods and rich people to win an election.

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Is your racist and homophobic attitude typical of your area
wtf? do you think i actually live down the street from you?

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<quoted text>LIAR.
You go on whining. Only little, huh? LOL. Mine are very big.
damn....a floater! go down this time, stinky.

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LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
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He said it is a political issue, not that it was political. Politics has to deal with the issues of pollution and AGW is a new form of 'thermal pollution' that needs to be addressed.
natural atmospheric trace gas isn't pollution.
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<quoted text>natural atmospheric trace gas isn't pollution.
Stinky, stay in the sewage.

As it has been posted about you, ignorance is your talent.
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<quoted text>wtf? do you think i actually live down the street from you?
You are not that lucky.
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LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
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An interesting debate, but ultimately I don't think it solves anything. Even if you come to an agreement (and I think Retired Farmer has a 'local' viewpoint while you may be more broadly based).
The right wing USED to be the 'party of science' and economic stability. Now they are the party of ignorance, wealth and entitlement. There just aren't enough backwoods and rich people to win an election.
As former Speaker of the U.S. House Tip O'Neill famously said, "All politics is local." That is especially true with the politics of coal and global warming. If you’ve noticed, most of the denier and “War on coal” rhetoric has come from coal mining country, particularly Appalachia. Coal mining jobs in Appalachia are going away already because of economics. Wyoming coal, which accounts for almost 40 percent of American coal, is much cheaper: under $20 per ton or so compared to over $54 for Appalachian coal. The electric power industry has not had much to say about it. The power companies are well aware that most of their coal-fired power plants are now 50 years old or older. They will soon be at the end of their operating life spans. The power companies know that they will soon have to shut those old worn out plants down and build new generating capacity to replace them. Naturally, they want to build the new capacity that will be cheapest to build, and be the least costly to operate. That means that they will look to natural gas, which is cheaper than coal, along with wind, solar, etc. Until those old plants do shut down, there will be plenty of cheaper Wyoming coal to fuel them.

As to the possibility that the Republican party will move back to the middle, I would like to see that happen but I do not think that it will, not for 25 or 30 years. That is because the generation that is now just beginning its stint in power -- the 35-50 age group -- will have to age out before the party’s ideology can change. First impressions and political beliefs are quick to form, but slow to change. A more likely scenario is that the Tea Party / Christian Right coalition will keep control of the Senate seats in the states of the Old South, Kentucky and West Virginia, the Plains states, and Arizona. They will have most of the House seats from those states as well. They will also control the non-urban House seats in such states as Illinois, Ohio, Indiana, and even California. They won’t be able to pass any of their right wing legislative agenda, but they will have enough votes to deadlock the legislative process. The only way that can be prevented is if the urban Republicans move to the center and make common cause with moderate “Blue Dog” Democrats of if the Democrats win and keep majorities in both houses of Congress and elect the president. Either is possible but both are unlikely. Far more likely is a prolonged deadlock like the one that we are seeing now.

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SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>You are not that lucky.
what do you know, idiot?

thank goodness i don't live in the caveman's "red-neck" of the woods.

needy little mental midget, aren't ya, faggus?

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SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>You are not that lucky.
maybe you should let your boyfriend fight his own battles, sweetie, you have a hard enough time defending your own ground.
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<quoted text> Seems your too ashamed to register, so "your little [IP address] burg" gets named whether you like it or not.
<quoted text>Do you call that "intelligent debate?"
My named IP is in the general area. That's all you need to know.

I've more intelligent debate in my little toe than you do in your addled brain.

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