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There are 58885 comments on the Newsday story from Dec 14, 2008, titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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“BET DAP”

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Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#36936 Jul 11, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
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Says the two-faced old fart who claims
good thing those "friends" who consider you courteous and professional don't see your real side, huh?

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#36938 Jul 11, 2013
News: For the Coal Man
The United States and China agreed Wednesday to tighten pollution standards on heavy trucks, boost energy efficiency in buildings and take a series of other steps to curb greenhouse-gas emissions in the world’s top two polluting countries.

A working group of officials from the two nations was established in April, with orders from the tops of both governments to intensify cooperation on global warming. Environmental activists say this holds immense potential because of the combined size and influence of the two nations — at a time when countries are struggling to agree on a global strategy.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/econom...

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Level 1

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#36939 Jul 11, 2013
LessFactMoreHype wrote:
Another fossil fuel hypocrite. Taking the advantages of green energy for himself while promoting dirty fuels for everyone else (must have a LOT of fossil fuel stocks)
Show me where I have ever 'promoted' "dirty fuel" outside of your twisted imagination, Mr Undoubtably Spelt Fourty?

I never call anyone a liar, but on this occasion, I must make an exception.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#36940 Jul 12, 2013
Coal is King wrote:
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You live in warm sunny Mississippi. Care to bet on how warm those "8 picture windows on the SE side" would keep your new passive solar house in North Dakota?
Must work pretty well:

Below is a brief listing of solar activities supported by the ND Dept. of Commerce/Division of Community Services:

Photovoltaic lighting systems for signs at Cross Ranch State Park, Turtle River State Park, and the State Hospital in Jamestown;
A photovoltaic water pumping system at the Cross Ranch State Park;
A demonstration project on solar thermal and hot water systems for homes assisted by the ND Weatherization program;
Passive solar designs for homes constructed by the Bismarck State College carpentry program; and
Sponsorship of solar race teams from the University of North Dakota and North Dakota State University

I understand they grow tomatoes all year round in Massachusetts, which is about the same latitude. There are passive solar buildings in Alaska, Canada, Germany, Sweden and many other higher latitude locations more northerly than North Dakota.

Why don't you try it? You might like it.

Also, maybe you should try not to comment on something when you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
Retired Farmer

Paducah, KY

#36941 Jul 12, 2013
Well, back from my trip out West. I see you boys tried to start Civil War II - or was it World War III?- while I was gone.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#36942 Jul 12, 2013
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>Space heaters are so dangerous....and trailer trashy.
I use the oil type, thank you.

I'll have the gas heater installed by winter.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Level 1

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#36943 Jul 12, 2013
cavemonkey wrote:
I use the oil type ...
I was using the oil type in my workshop in the 80s.
cavemonkey wrote:
I'll have the gas heater installed by winter.
Hey, monkey, it's 2013, not 1950.
litesong

Everett, WA

#36944 Jul 12, 2013
[QUOTE who="ol' king coal was a wornout sole"]You live in warm sunny Mississippi.......passive solar house in North Dakota?[/QUOTE]

"ol' king coal was a wornout sole" has a compass on its nose.

“BET DAP”

Level 4

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#36945 Jul 12, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
<quoted text>
I use the oil type, thank you.
I'll have the gas heater installed by winter.
natural gas or propane?

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#36946 Jul 12, 2013
Retired Farmer wrote:
Well, back from my trip out West. I see you boys tried to start Civil War II - or was it World War III?- while I was gone.
No it was just a squirmish at the borders. The coal industry trying to defend the status quo and keep doing what they always have but we do have a new word for measures against global warming, "socialism"
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#36947 Jul 12, 2013
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>I was using the oil type in my workshop in the 80s.
<quoted text>Hey, monkey, it's 2013, not 1950.
Again, what is your point?

I use the electric type that heats the oil for slow radiation. Not a fire hazard as far as I know. Not an oil burning shop heater; I have a house.

1950? Propane gas, dirt, it's all the rage now. What does 1950 have to do with it?
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#36948 Jul 12, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
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No it was just a squirmish at the borders. The coal industry trying to defend the status quo and keep doing what they always have but we do have a new word for measures against global warming, "socialism"
I've heard of that! Isn't it bad?
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#36949 Jul 12, 2013
I'm feeling Soso tonight.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#36950 Jul 12, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
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I've heard of that! Isn't it bad?
It's exactly how the right hijacked the science and turned it into a political argument. I saw a post on another forum saying McCain is a RINO. Republican in name only, hell they even branded him a socialist. lol No sense in being rational these days.
Retired Farmer

Paducah, KY

#36951 Jul 12, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
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No it was just a squirmish at the borders. The coal industry trying to defend the status quo and keep doing what they always have but we do have a new word for measures against global warming, "socialism"
That's mild. Some folks around here call it a "communist".
LessHypeMoreFact

Etobicoke, Canada

#36952 Jul 12, 2013
Retired Farmer wrote:
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That's mild. Some folks around here call it a "communist".
There are always the fools and uneducated.

Basically the two are totally differnent.

Socialism means decision by fiat. i.e every decision of government is 'socialism', though most associate it with government support programs for the poor, sick and disadvantaged. But the contract to the military/industrial complex and just as much socialism. So are the 'subsidies' to corporations and specific industries.

Communism though is basically the idea that the citizen can government himself if the 'heirarchy' of power declines. That is, the worker who is best at managing a company will work as the manager without special priveledges or higher salary. Works only in the case of high altruism where survival is dependent on cooperation such as the inuit in the high arctic or some desert dwelling tribes. The ones who hoard, are lazy, etc are weeded out by sanctions from the tribe (usually exile).

It has nothing to do with the 'party oligarchy' that is commonly called communism these days.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Level 1

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#36953 Jul 13, 2013
LessFactMoreHype wrote:
There are always the fools and uneducated.
Basically the two are totally differnent[sic].
priveledges[sic]
inuit[sic]
Priceless.
Retired Farmer

Paducah, KY

#36955 Jul 13, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
<quoted text>
There are always the fools and uneducated.
Basically the two are totally differnent.
Socialism means decision by fiat. i.e every decision of government is 'socialism', though most associate it with government support programs for the poor, sick and disadvantaged. But the contract to the military/industrial complex and just as much socialism. So are the 'subsidies' to corporations and specific industries.
Communism though is basically the idea that the citizen can government himself if the 'heirarchy' of power declines. That is, the worker who is best at managing a company will work as the manager without special priveledges or higher salary. Works only in the case of high altruism where survival is dependent on cooperation such as the inuit in the high arctic or some desert dwelling tribes. The ones who hoard, are lazy, etc are weeded out by sanctions from the tribe (usually exile).
It has nothing to do with the 'party oligarchy' that is commonly called communism these days.
When thinking about the definitions of “socialism” and “communism” among people like Coal is King forget how socialists or communists define their ideology and the textbook definitions. They are irrelevant and do not apply. Here the majority of the people’s worldview is basically theological, that is to say religious in nature. Everything is seen in clearly defined, absolute terms: black and white, good vs. evil. The Cold War instilled the idea that socialism/communism and evil are one in the same thing.

In a theological worldview it is God’s elect (us) vs. the damned sinners (everybody that is not us). People with this kind of worldview tend to bundle unrelated things into a package with their religious beliefs. Their political beliefs and religious beliefs become so intertwined that it is impossible to separate one from the other. If you admit that there is any legitimacy to the other side’s position on any one issue in the package, even though you may totally agree with all the other issues in the package, rejecting that one item is the same thing as rejecting the whole set of beliefs. You are an apostate.

In this case, right wing libertarian economics and minimalist government political philosophy has been bundled with the Christian Right’s social conservatism. Environmentalism, because liberals tend to be more environmentalist-minded, is placed in the others’“evil” package. Coal is placed in the “good” category because it is endorsed and supported by the economic libertarians, who oppose any and all government regulations, environmental and otherwise. To these people, it literally becomes a matter of "If you oppose coal you are against capitalism and free enterprise." There is also the unrelated crossover, "If you are for solar power you are also for abortion."

People who hold liberal beliefs about economic and social issues contribute to and reinforce this “circle the wagons” mentality by bundling their own issues (support for abortion rights, gay marriage, environmentalism, support for social welfare, etc) into a package as well.

So, as I hope you can realize, in this context the terms “socialist” and “communist” do not have very much to do with either their self-definitions or the accepted textbook definitions of them. In this context "socialist" and "communist" (and a new post-911 addition "Muslim") are merely derogatory labels used to designate enemies.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#36956 Jul 13, 2013
Even Fox can't deny all the time...

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/07/11/fox-n ...

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#36957 Jul 13, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
Even Fox can't deny all the time...
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/07/11/fox-n ...
Heresy!

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