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Dont drink the koolaid

Minneapolis, MN

#35503 May 2, 2013
Retired Farmer wrote:
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I do not understand what you are trying to say here. Most religious people follow the example of Rev. Jerry Falwall and contend that Global Warming is a hoax.
To understand the point meme is making one requires the understanding of 'belief systems'.
Both CAGW and revealed Religions are grounded in the same principle belief. Those who 'believe' do so based on their faith in the experiences (opinions) of others. These opinions are then viewed as Truth and Fact.
The word often associated with such a belief system is "dogma"... A statement or assertion based on unproven or unprovable principles.

Bottom line... the point is CAGW is, by it's very nature, a religion.
Retired Farmer

Kuttawa, KY

#35504 May 2, 2013
Dont drink the koolaid wrote:
<quoted text>
To understand the point meme is making one requires the understanding of 'belief systems'.
Both CAGW and revealed Religions are grounded in the same principle belief. Those who 'believe' do so based on their faith in the experiences (opinions) of others. These opinions are then viewed as Truth and Fact.
The word often associated with such a belief system is "dogma"... A statement or assertion based on unproven or unprovable principles.
Bottom line... the point is CAGW is, by it's very nature, a religion.
That is basically what Jerry Falwall said. In his scheme of things all environmentalism is the modern day's version of the old pagan nature worship.

Jerry Falwell was full of hogshit and so are you.
kristy

Oviedo, FL

#35505 May 2, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't really care what it "sounds like" to you, Kristy.
What does your statement sound like to you? Why don't you explain how how exactly the free market is a "right-wing charade?" When did it start? Who were the people who got together and created the charade? Was it the "right-wing" inventors and entrepreneurs who were able to get their products out to the public? Are they the ones who created the "charade?"

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#35506 May 2, 2013
The Invisible Man wrote:
<quoted text>What types of changes? I am very interested in hearing what you have to say.
In simple terms in a economic system we put a value on the environment that is as good as gold. Gold only has value because we say it has value, its the same with the environment.
If you made it extremely profitable for clean energy solutions and extremely expensive for non clean solutions then the problem of clean air and clean water fixes itself.

All you do is create a whole new economy, just like the tech boom if you like where large monopolies like oil & mining companies don't drive policies with government. Yes its a paradigm shift in thinking but its no different than the industrial revolutions man has gone through before. From the stone axe to the steam engine and the Nuclear age.
But this has to be world wide and in the meantime developing countries like China and India will kick and scream saying its unfair on them. Even tho China is making huge advances in this area as it is. But it will never be a point where its fair on everyone, so countries that don't comply in making clean products then they get hit with a import duty. So a factory in China making $2 dish washing detergent becomes $4 after import duty applies for non clean manufacturing methods which brings it on par with a locally made detergent using clean methods. That is a simple example of what is a very complicated problem. But if you don't break it down to those simple solutions it never gets solved. Globalisation was sold on its many benefits but the main ones involved lifting countries out of poverty that would never be able to compete previously. Whether its a coffee grower in Sth America or a garment factory in Bangladesh. These places now have infrastructure to get products to our door unlike never before.
But by doing that, we got rid of decades of advances in Labor conditions and environmental practices. So how moral was it, compared to creating proper solutions to deliver the same outcomes.

“EnvironMENTAList ”

Since: Feb 07

Near Detroit

#35507 May 2, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
If you post the same idiotic spam time after time after time on these boards, do you think that somehow, suddenly, it will persuade everyone that warming and climate change are really a "fraud" and "invented by Al Gore" or something?
LOL...pathetic. Pathetic AND repetitive.
Its an opposing view, get over it. Put yer purse down.

“EnvironMENTAList ”

Since: Feb 07

Near Detroit

#35508 May 2, 2013
Why is their CO2 crisis not termed inevitable,?
gcaveman1

Laurel, MS

#35509 May 2, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
Al Gore? Al Gore Al Gore Al Gore??
Al Gore!
Al......GORE.
Now there's a Republican climate "argument" for you....LOL
I completely convinced.

Not only did he single-handedly create the Internets, he also caused global warming.
gcaveman1

Laurel, MS

#35510 May 2, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
"I know the Koch brothers"
Rush Limbaugh
Biblically, I'm sure.
gcaveman1

Laurel, MS

#35511 May 2, 2013
mememine69 wrote:
Why is their CO2 crisis not termed inevitable,?
Because we could wise up, fool.

Tell us what else in life is inevitable, besides death and asteroid strikes.
gcaveman1

Laurel, MS

#35512 May 2, 2013
Dont drink the koolaid wrote:
<quoted text>
To understand the point meme is making one requires the understanding of 'belief systems'.
Both CAGW and revealed Religions are grounded in the same principle belief. Those who 'believe' do so based on their faith in the experiences (opinions) of others. These opinions are then viewed as Truth and Fact.
The word often associated with such a belief system is "dogma"... A statement or assertion based on unproven or unprovable principles.
Bottom line... the point is CAGW is, by it's very nature, a religion.
The Farmer's got it right...hogshit, and bullshit, too.

Scientific opinion is different from yours and Joe Blow's opinion. IT IS backed up with facts and truths.

You think you ain't got dogma? Go back and read your posts and try to think about it.
Dont drink the koolaid

Minneapolis, MN

#35513 May 2, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
<quoted text>
The Farmer's got it right...hogshit, and bullshit, too.
Scientific opinion is different from yours and Joe Blow's opinion. IT IS backed up with facts and truths.
.
OK...? What "Truth" is used to back up Scientific opinion?
Dont drink the koolaid

Minneapolis, MN

#35514 May 3, 2013
Blessings to all who keep the Faith.

“So long to you, Righties”

Since: Jan 12

keep suckin' and whiffin'!

#35515 May 3, 2013
mememine69 wrote:
<quoted text>Its an opposing view, get over it. Put yer purse down.
It's a criticism of your witless spamming, pull your big-boy pants up.:)

“So long to you, Righties”

Since: Jan 12

keep suckin' and whiffin'!

#35516 May 3, 2013
Dont drink the koolaid wrote:
<quoted text> OK...? What "Truth" is used to back up Scientific opinion?
LOL...you're really an idiot, aren't you?:)

“So long to you, Righties”

Since: Jan 12

keep suckin' and whiffin'!

#35517 May 3, 2013
mememine69 wrote:
Why is their CO2 crisis not termed inevitable,?
Typically stupid question, but if you want evidence that many consider global warming inevitable, try that magical device known as "Google" (which you'd have done, if you really WANTED to know):

http://www.google.com/#output=search&scli...

There's the first page worth of search results for ya...:)
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#35518 May 3, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>To another:
Typically stupid question, but if you want evidence that many consider global warming inevitable, try that magical device known as "Google" (which you'd have done, if you really WANTED to know):
http://www.google.com/#output=search&scli...
There's the first page worth of search results for ya...:)
Sure.

If he wanted ... because he's pretty much exhausted after years of lying and denying.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Level 10

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#35519 May 3, 2013
Wise up? Use corn ethanol to starve the poor. Use solar and wind with massive tax subsidies and borrowing. Use credit to mitigate climate change because it's unaffordable as well as impossible.

“So long to you, Righties”

Since: Jan 12

keep suckin' and whiffin'!

#35520 May 3, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Wise up? Use corn ethanol to starve the poor. Use solar and wind with massive tax subsidies and borrowing. Use credit to mitigate climate change because it's unaffordable as well as impossible.
Brainless_G would prefer we use GM foods and manipulation of food distribution to starve the poor...use fossil fuels with massive tax subsidies and profits...and pretend that "mitigation" is the problem rather than recognition of climate change and acceptance of the need for green energy and conservation.

That's because Brainless_G is, well...brainless.:)
Arno Arrak

Commack, NY

#35521 May 3, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
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The hottest year on record was 1934*
* in the lower 48 states of the continental U.S.
"Globally, 1934 is not the hottest year on record, not even close. Not even close; the ten hottest years on record have all occured since 1990. And #1 is still 2005 (according to GISS) or 1998 (according to HadCRU; it’s really a “statistical tie”)."
http://tamino.wordpress.com/2007/08/12/before...
I hate to tell you but you that you have been looking at fake temperature curves emanating from Hansen, the then leader of GISS. 2005 is nowhere close to maximum - it is very much average for that temperature region. HadCRUT4 has it right with 1998. They both miss the fact that there was a step warming in 1998 caused by the large amount of warm water carried across the ocean by the super El Nino of 1998. In four years it raised global temperature by a third of a degree and then stopped. Its origin was oceanic and it cannot possibly be counted as greenhouse warming. There was no warming before 1998 either, back to 1979, which makes it the only warming within the last 33 years. Hansen's claim more accurately is that nine out of ten warmest years have occurred since 2000. That is not surprising since they sit on top of a high temperature plateau created by the step warming in 1998. But again Hansen tries to distort the facts by claiming that greenhouse warming caused it. And speaking of 2005 which is a fantasy, he also claimed that 2010 matched it in height. That is just one more trick to try to deny that there has been no warming this century. 2010 is the peak year of the 2010 El Nino. You are not allowed to equate El Nino peaks with global mean of the ENSO oscillation. Global mean of ENSO is the average of an El Nino peak and its neighboring La Nina valley. The nearest La Nina to 2010 was 2008 and their average lines up neatly with the flat temperature platform that began in 2000.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#35522 May 3, 2013
Arno Arrak wrote:
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I hate to tell you but you ... But again Hansen tries to distort the facts by claiming that greenhouse warming caused it... average lines up neatly with the flat temperature platform that began in 2000.
Then don't.

Dr. Hansen does not distort but you do here.

Where's your evidence?

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