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Where

Winnsboro, SC

#34991 Apr 8, 2013
Where's Al Gore?
kristy

Oviedo, FL

#34992 Apr 8, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
Your characterization of the events in question, and of Mann's character, are entirely dishonest. Therefore, you lied. End of story.
Okay then you explain the events and how it happened that a press release stated this:

"What that history shows, the researchers say, is that during the last 5,000 years, the Earth on average cooled about 1.3 degrees Fahrenheit–until the last 100 years, when it warmed about 1.3 degrees F.”

When in fact the paper states the last 100 years was inconclusive. Somebody was not telling the truth, being dishonest, deceptive.
kristy

Oviedo, FL

#34993 Apr 8, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
You're talking weather, not climate. Here's a pretty picture for you, Kristy hon:
http://www.newscientist.com/data/images/ns/cm...
Note how the lines go up and down year by year, but the RED line drawn through the middle of the other lines continually goes UP?
That shows you how weather varies, but climate warms.
You're welcome.
So sorry you can't understand I was making fun of the hype. All kinds of stories last March telling us that the US (1.5% of the globe) hot temperatures were because of global warming. Of course I don't expect anyone to trot out yearly or monthly weather but they continue to do so. Can you send this information to the media? I don't think they understand the difference between weather and climate. Thanks, truly appreciate your understanding of the difference.

“Science not Conservatism”

Since: Jan 12

Progress, not Denial

#34994 Apr 8, 2013
Where wrote:
Where's Al Gore?
Doing your mom.

“Science not Conservatism”

Since: Jan 12

Progress, not Denial

#34995 Apr 8, 2013
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
Okay then you explain the events and how it happened that a press release stated this:
"What that history shows, the researchers say, is that during the last 5,000 years, the Earth on average cooled about 1.3 degrees Fahrenheit–until the last 100 years, when it warmed about 1.3 degrees F.”
When in fact the paper states the last 100 years was inconclusive. Somebody was not telling the truth, being dishonest, deceptive.
I can't explain your unsupported delusions, they defy explanation.

“Science not Conservatism”

Since: Jan 12

Progress, not Denial

#34996 Apr 8, 2013
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
So sorry you can't understand I was making fun of the hype. All kinds of stories last March telling us that the US (1.5% of the globe) hot temperatures were because of global warming. Of course I don't expect anyone to trot out yearly or monthly weather but they continue to do so. Can you send this information to the media? I don't think they understand the difference between weather and climate. Thanks, truly appreciate your understanding of the difference.
All kind of deniers using every cold snap as "proof" that warming was a "fraud," too. GOing to take responsibility for YOUR side, who do this far, FAR more often?:)
Obama-Hoodwinked -YOU

Minneapolis, MN

#34997 Apr 8, 2013
Where wrote:
Where's Al Gore?
Al is living the American DREAM.

Al is worth a couple BILLION so he's either on his Dad's 60,000 square foot ranch, OR on his 500 foot yacht off the south of France, OR he's on his owned island in the south pacific, OR he's in Hollywierd dopeing it up with the Libertardes, OR in some unknown hideaway with a harem of bleach blond bimbos willing to sell their whole to a sicko Libertard.

In any case we needn't worry about Al, he's in good hands.
Level 1

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#34998 Apr 8, 2013
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
Okay then you explain the events and how it happened that a press release stated this:
"What that history shows, the researchers say, is that during the last 5,000 years, the Earth on average cooled about 1.3 degrees Fahrenheit–until the last 100 years, when it warmed about 1.3 degrees F.”
When in fact the paper states the last 100 years was inconclusive. Somebody was not telling the truth, being dishonest, deceptive.
Can you please get it through your thick head that we don't need the results of this paper to know about the last 100 years: we have the thermometer temperature record.
kristy

Oviedo, FL

#34999 Apr 8, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
I can't explain your unsupported delusions, they defy explanation.
I didn't ask for you to explain "my delusions."

You stated: "Your characterization of the events in question, and of Mann's character, are entirely dishonest. Therefore, you lied. End of story."

So I asked you to explain the press release, because obviously if you think my reasoning is delusional, you have some sort of thought on the issue of the difference of the press release versus the paper.
kristy

Oviedo, FL

#35000 Apr 8, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
Can you please get it through your thick head that we don't need the results of this paper to know about the last 100 years: we have the thermometer temperature record.
I asked you this yesterday, but I will ask again:

But here's my question about that. The graph is paleo-reconstruction up until about 100 years ago. Marcott's smoothing shows no variability in 300 year time periods. So how can you compare a temperature record that shows yearly variability for 100 years to a proxy that shows no variability in 300 year time periods and then say that the paper shows without doubt that this is the fastest rise in temperature? The only way to compare is if you finish the graph with paleo-reconstruction.
kristy

Oviedo, FL

#35001 Apr 8, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
All kind of deniers using every cold snap as "proof" that warming was a "fraud," too. GOing to take responsibility for YOUR side, who do this far, FAR more often?:)
Who has said warming is a fraud?

“Science not Conservatism”

Since: Jan 12

Progress, not Denial

#35002 Apr 8, 2013
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't ask for you to explain "my delusions."
You stated: "Your characterization of the events in question, and of Mann's character, are entirely dishonest. Therefore, you lied. End of story."
So I asked you to explain the press release, because obviously if you think my reasoning is delusional, you have some sort of thought on the issue of the difference of the press release versus the paper.
For some reason, you keep asking me to "explain" something you believe exists but haven't documented. Thus my use of the term "delusion."

“Science not Conservatism”

Since: Jan 12

Progress, not Denial

#35003 Apr 8, 2013
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
Who has said warming is a fraud?
Global warming Deniers. I've seen it on these boards and other boards as well. Don't pretend it doesn't happen.

Glad to hear you accept that warming is taking place, at least!:)
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#35004 Apr 8, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
Who are you fooling? Nobody other than yourself.
'lyin' brian' doesn't fool itself. It knows GHGs warm the Earth. Only to save its 2-bit oil can job, does it continue to lie.
jeff

Manassas, VA

#35005 Apr 8, 2013
This is very googd news for me
Level 1

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#35006 Apr 8, 2013
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
I asked you this yesterday, but I will ask again:
But here's my question about that. The graph is paleo-reconstruction up until about 100 years ago. Marcott's smoothing shows no variability in 300 year time periods. So how can you compare a temperature record that shows yearly variability for 100 years to a proxy that shows no variability in 300 year time periods and then say that the paper shows without doubt that this is the fastest rise in temperature? The only way to compare is if you finish the graph with paleo-reconstruction.
Of course if you're a climate denier you have to believe that rapid rises in temperature like the past few decades have occurred before but just weren't picked up in Marcott's proxy record.

Well, why not apply a scientific test to see if they had, would they be picked up by the proxy record.

http://tamino.wordpress.com/2013/04/03/smeari...

The answer? Yes, they would.

Another denier excuse fails to convince.
Level 1

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#35007 Apr 9, 2013
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
Who has said warming is a fraud?
You.
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
What did I lie about? Marcott produced a hockey stick graph, sent out a press release and then retracted the hockey stick without any fanfare. That was at the least deceptive.
What do you call a person who states that I lie about science and the actions of scientists, but has no problem with a scientist such as Michael Mann lying about the actions of fellow scientists? A hypocrite.
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
What do you call a scientist who blatantly puts out a press release stating proof of increased warming over the past 100 years that is unprecedented and shows a huge hockey stick graph to "prove" it and then with no fanfare backtracks and states that his paper shows that "the 20th century portion of our paleotemperature stack is not statistically robust and cannot be considered representative of global temperature changes."
Maybe con artist?
And don't come over all innocent and claim "at the least deceptive" and "con artist" are not implying fraud.

I guess people in denial like you will always look for some excuse to deny the evidence, usually involving accusing those responsible for producing the evidence of fraud.

People like you in denial are self deceptive and try to deceive others. Rational people do best by ignoring you, not engaging in some sort of phoney polite debate that you always demand.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Level 10

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#35009 Apr 9, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
They are just lab experiments, you said. There's no proof that CO2 causes warming, you said.
No experimental test of man made CO2 on climate, I wrote.

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gcaveman1 wrote:
So why are you talking about sensitivity now? Are you confused? What do you think is causing the warming, Brain-dead?
Did you look at the CO2 sensitivity in the two expeirments? At the most, 4° C from doubling CO2 content more than 11 times, less than 0.4° C per doubling per doubling CO2.

CO2 is almost insignificant.

It isn't climate but it's the best test I've seen yet. Thanks again, for posting the link.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Level 10

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#35010 Apr 9, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
No, fool, it was THIS statement of yours I was referring to: "On August 6th, 1945, a nuclear bomb was dropped on Hiroshima Japan." Nothing to do with arguments about current global warming.
The bomb was experimentally tested before it was used, you can't cite an experimental test of man made global warming, see the difference?

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tha Professor wrote:
Man IS affecting climate, and the causal relationship between greenhouse gases and atmospheric warming has long been established.
Not quantitatively measured or experimentally tested. It might be insignificant or even beneficial.

There's no experimental data, no way to know.

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tha Professor wrote:
Your next move would seem to be yet another attempt to confuse mitigation with causation. Proceed.:)
Climate change mitigation causes my opposition to man made catastrophic global warming alarmism. Don't be fooled by flashy headlines, look at the literature. Zero tests, not one experiment for climate change mitigation. That's not a good indicator of for a 'proven' science.

“Science not Conservatism”

Since: Jan 12

Progress, not Denial

#35011 Apr 9, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
The bomb was experimentally tested before it was used, you can't cite an experimental test of man made global warming, see the difference?

>>I "see" you dragging in an irrelevancy to support your irrelevant, off-topic claims.

<quoted text>Not quantitatively measured or experimentally tested. It might be insignificant or even beneficial.
There's no experimental data, no way to know.

>>No one to care whether you approve or not, either. Curious, that!

<quoted text>Climate change mitigation causes my opposition to man made catastrophic global warming alarmism. Don't be fooled by flashy headlines, look at the literature. Zero tests, not one experiment for climate change mitigation. That's not a good indicator of for a 'proven' science.

>>"Climate change mitigation" is your troll-phrase used to evade real debate over AGW. It's Denierism, whether you want to admit it or not. I've looked at the literature, you haven't...other than to find some way of evading real debate or discussion of the subject, of course.

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