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Accidents take 3 lives to start final Bike Week weekend

There are 28 comments on the Orlando Sentinel story from Mar 8, 2009, titled Accidents take 3 lives to start final Bike Week weekend. In it, Orlando Sentinel reports that:

On the final weekend of Bike Week , three unrelated accidents involving motorcycles claimed three lives Saturday, and authorities are reminding bikers and motorists to be cautious today as thousands of ...

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Truth Is

Melbourne, FL

#1 Mar 8, 2009
How is a fatality in Winter Springs counted as a "Bike Week" related accident??????
Harley Man

Anderson, SC

#2 Mar 8, 2009
Truth Is wrote:
How is a fatality in Winter Springs counted as a "Bike Week" related accident??????
The Sentinel reports ALL motorcycle deaths as Bike Week related, no matter where they happen. Several years ago a rider in TAMPA was killed on I-4 late Sunday afternoon and they listed that as a Bike Week death, also a motorcycle death in Leesburg was listed because the reporter "Thought" that rider may have been to Bike Week. It's all about numbers. The media is a group of sick vultures waiting for a story.
Old School

Morristown, TN

#3 Mar 8, 2009
The first time I attended bike week the leading news story on the TV news was all about the first fatality of bike week ! As the story progressed it wasn't even a biker it was some guy (walking)who got hit by the gate coming down before the draw bridge was raised and it hit him in the head !
Well Now

Eddyville, KY

#4 Mar 8, 2009
Oh look, the bikers are out trying to defend the deaths. Oh goody.
How many people get killed during the Zora Neal Hurston festival?
The strawberry festival?
The Fringe Festival?

Now how many get killed at Bike Week? Put your helmets on and shut up.
Well Now

Eddyville, KY

#7 Mar 8, 2009
Old School wrote:
<quoted text>I don't visit your fair city anymore ! I got enough of rude **** fuktards last time I was there ! I was merely stating a fact going along with the thread . Your news and your way of attributing any death that happens during bike week to that event makes you folks look dumber than you are ,and that is saying alot !
So just go by the two killed in Daytona then (not to mention the other accidents this week). Still TWO more than any other festival. Why is that? Nothing rude about stating the obvious. BIKE WEEK + IDIOT BIKERS = ACCIDENTS. Once again, but your damn helmet on.
I drove by a number of you on I4 just yesterday. The minority wearing helmets, the majority without, zooming around cars, fat women holding tight - one in a bikini top with her bulges hanging out over her pants. And you call ME a ____tard? Get a grip. AND PUT ON YOUR HELMET. Your antics are not welcome - ONLY YOUR MONEY IS. Fools.
Well Now

Eddyville, KY

#8 Mar 8, 2009
Look. That being said - no one wishes anyone to die. But BIKE WEEK causes DEATHS each year. And it should not. But it is idiots like the above that do not understand that.
Well Now

Eddyville, KY

#9 Mar 8, 2009
Here you go, from the SENTINEL about the TALLY - it is actually MORE than you think related to Bike week.
If someone is killed on their WAY to bike week? Same thing. How about the woman they mention killed in deland by two Bikers on their WAY to Bike week not being declared a Bike Week fatality? AN INNOCENT WOMAN DIED BECAUSE OF IDIOT BIKERS.
Jesus please. Even one death would require new regulations - but taking the cash of idiot Bikers is how Daytona sustains itself during lean times. WHY CAN'T YOU GET TOGETHER WITHOUT GETTING DRUNK, ACTING LIKE LOW CLASS IDIOTS (Cole Slaw Wrestling?) AND KILLING PEOPLE?
The article (Split into two different posts because of length):

PART ONE:
How Bike Week deaths are classified changes tally
How deaths are classified changes Bike Week tally
Ludmilla Lelis and Gary Taylor | Sentinel Staff Writers
March 4, 2008
DAYTONA BEACH - The number of Bike Week-related traffic deaths may become this year's best-kept secret.
Confusion over how these fatalities should be classified has prompted authorities to back away from an official tally.
That comes at a time when both a safety campaign and a task force formed to curb the number of fatalities also have gone by the wayside.
At least five people were killed in crashes involving motorcycles in Volusia County during the first three days of 2008 Bike Week, a 10-day-long event.
The record is 21 deaths in 2006. Last year there were nine deaths associated with the annual biker celebration.
Relatives of local riders killed on motorcycles have complained about their deaths being associated with Bike Week, said Trooper Kim Miller of the Florida Highway Patrol.
Because the agency doesn't want to inflate numbers or "further injure those families," the agency will examine crashes after Bike Week is over and determine which ones are related to the event, Miller said. But they will look only at accidents investigated by state troopers.
In DeLand, where a woman was killed Saturday when she stepped into the path of two motorcycles whose riders were attending Bike Week activities, police do not classify crashes as Bike Week-related, Deputy Chief Randel Henderson said.
Instead the agency classifies them as "a motor vehicle vs. pedestrian accident," a state definition, he said.
In the wake of the 21 reported deaths in 2006, Volusia County government spearheaded a campaign for motorists to "Look Twice. Save a Life." It differed from other Bike Week safety campaigns in targeting not the motorcycle riders themselves, but the local motorists who might collide with them.
Volusia County spent $12,000 on the campaign -- using the money for billboards, bus advertising and 500 temporary road signs that were posted on the local roads.
"It just came out of a concern that we should have as safe a Bike Week as possible," said Volusia County Councilman Carl Persis. "I thought it was a good campaign."
END OF PART ONE
Well Now

Eddyville, KY

#10 Mar 8, 2009
PART TWO:
Pat Kuehn, the Volusia community-information specialist who chaired the safety task force, said the campaign researched the fatalities and found that, in 2006, motorists had killed nine motorcyclists.
The campaign advised drivers to double-check blind spots, avoid driving distractions such as cell phones or food, and leave a four-second distance between your car and a motorcycle in front of you.
Just five motorcyclists were killed in crashes with cars last year, and Kuehn thinks the campaign helped.
"There is no way of knowing if the task force was responsible, but we do believe it did raise awareness and the role of motorists in these accidents," she said.
However, Volusia County did not continue the funding, and the safety task force isn't in place for this year's event.
"We didn't think it was a core responsibility with the county -- that it should be the chamber, or a motorcycle business, or an entity linked to Bike Week," said Volusia County spokesman Dave Byron. "We thought it was more logical for them to fund it."
Meanwhile, Daytona Beach's primary Bike Week committee opted to stick with the safety program it has had and didn't take up Volusia's campaign.
That committee was formed in the 1980s to manage the overall event, though safety has long been a focus, said co-chairman Bob Coleman.
Well Now

Eddyville, KY

#11 Mar 8, 2009
FOR SOME REASON PART TWO POSTED ,but NOT PART ONE

Here you go, from the SENTINEL about the TALLY - it is actually MORE than you think related to Bike week.
If someone is killed on their WAY to bike week? Same thing. How about the woman they mention killed in deland by two Bikers on their WAY to Bike week not being declared a Bike Week fatality? AN INNOCENT WOMAN DIED BECAUSE OF IDIOT BIKERS.
Jesus please. Even one death would require new regulations - but taking the cash of idiot Bikers is how Daytona sustains itself during lean times. WHY CAN'T YOU GET TOGETHER WITHOUT GETTING DRUNK, ACTING LIKE LOW CLASS IDIOTS (Cole Slaw Wrestling?) AND KILLING PEOPLE?
The article (Split into two different posts because of length):

PART ONE:
How Bike Week deaths are classified changes tally
How deaths are classified changes Bike Week tally
Ludmilla Lelis and Gary Taylor | Sentinel Staff Writers
March 4, 2008
DAYTONA BEACH - The number of Bike Week-related traffic deaths may become this year's best-kept secret.
Confusion over how these fatalities should be classified has prompted authorities to back away from an official tally.
That comes at a time when both a safety campaign and a task force formed to curb the number of fatalities also have gone by the wayside.
At least five people were killed in crashes involving motorcycles in Volusia County during the first three days of 2008 Bike Week, a 10-day-long event.
The record is 21 deaths in 2006. Last year there were nine deaths associated with the annual biker celebration.
Relatives of local riders killed on motorcycles have complained about their deaths being associated with Bike Week, said Trooper Kim Miller of the Florida Highway Patrol.
Because the agency doesn't want to inflate numbers or "further injure those families," the agency will examine crashes after Bike Week is over and determine which ones are related to the event, Miller said. But they will look only at accidents investigated by state troopers.
In DeLand, where a woman was killed Saturday when she stepped into the path of two motorcycles whose riders were attending Bike Week activities, police do not classify crashes as Bike Week-related, Deputy Chief Randel Henderson said.
Instead the agency classifies them as "a motor vehicle vs. pedestrian accident," a state definition, he said.
In the wake of the 21 reported deaths in 2006, Volusia County government spearheaded a campaign for motorists to "Look Twice. Save a Life." It differed from other Bike Week safety campaigns in targeting not the motorcycle riders themselves, but the local motorists who might collide with them.

END OF PART ONE
Old School

Morristown, TN

#13 Mar 8, 2009
Well Now wrote:
<quoted text>So just go by the two killed in Daytona then (not to mention the other accidents this week). Still TWO more than any other festival. Why is that? Nothing rude about stating the obvious. BIKE WEEK + IDIOT BIKERS = ACCIDENTS. Once again, but your damn helmet on.
I drove by a number of you on I4 just yesterday. The minority wearing helmets, the majority without, zooming around cars, fat women holding tight - one in a bikini top with her bulges hanging out over her pants. And you call ME a ____tard? Get a grip. AND PUT ON YOUR HELMET. Your antics are not welcome - ONLY YOUR MONEY IS. Fools.
Every place has it's share of idiots ! Every event has it's share of idiots ! Motorcycles by their very nature are not as safe as a SUV ! The arguement over helmet safety rages on , in my state it's law ,I wear one . Both sides have convincing arguements if you ever bother to read them . Alot of bikers ride aggressivly to avoid being run over by inattentive auto drivers ,not saying it works because a mistake on the riders part can end in an accident . I took a motorcycle safety course that taught sometimes it's better to be a little aggressive and get out of harms way (like cars bunching up on an interstate) than to get caught up in the middle of people jockeying for positions like race car drivers with blind spots . I will agree 100% that there should be an application process for people to wear certain articles of clothing in public ! As far as the fatality count do you count someone traveling from Tennessee to Disney during a Disney celebration that gets killed enroute as a fatality of a disney celebration ? Besides that the fatalities that I encountered that actually involved motorcycles during bike week were mostly attributed to autos pulling out in front of them or failing to stop in time and running over them . Yes some were due to riders doing stupid chit ! For all I care you can cancel bike week in Daytona I quit going because I don't go where I don't feel welcome . So I'll keep my money And yes I still think you are a F__tard !
Well Now

United States

#14 Mar 8, 2009
Old School wrote:
<quoted text>Every place has it's share of idiots ! Every event has it's share of idiots ! Motorcycles by their very nature are not as safe as a SUV ! The arguement over helmet safety rages on , in my state it's law ,I wear one . Both sides have convincing arguements if you ever bother to read them . Alot of bikers ride aggressivly to avoid being run over by inattentive auto drivers ,not saying it works because a mistake on the riders part can end in an accident . I took a motorcycle safety course that taught sometimes it's better to be a little aggressive and get out of harms way (like cars bunching up on an interstate) than to get caught up in the middle of people jockeying for positions like race car drivers with blind spots . I will agree 100% that there should be an application process for people to wear certain articles of clothing in public ! As far as the fatality count do you count someone traveling from Tennessee to Disney during a Disney celebration that gets killed enroute as a fatality of a disney celebration ? Besides that the fatalities that I encountered that actually involved motorcycles during bike week were mostly attributed to autos pulling out in front of them or failing to stop in time and running over them . Yes some were due to riders doing stupid chit ! For all I care you can cancel bike week in Daytona I quit going because I don't go where I don't feel welcome . So I'll keep my money And yes I still think you are a F__tard !
HAH. Now after such a great posting I will take that F_Tard comment with good humor! I loved a lot of what you had to say. But even you admit that there is some danger here. And the behavior is worse than teens on spring break.

Wear a helmet.
Drive normal.
And you know what - there might not be any deaths. The two bikers who rode that woman down in Deland - which is not even considered a BIKE WEEK fatality, would probably not even be here were it not for Bike Week.

Residents in Florida are sick of them, yet the city of Daytona still allows it to make money and only money. Sad. Predatory. And sad.
Old School

Morristown, TN

#15 Mar 8, 2009
Well Now wrote:
<quoted text>
HAH. Now after such a great posting I will take that F_Tard comment with good humor! I loved a lot of what you had to say. But even you admit that there is some danger here. And the behavior is worse than teens on spring break.
Wear a helmet.
Drive normal.
And you know what - there might not be any deaths. The two bikers who rode that woman down in Deland - which is not even considered a BIKE WEEK fatality, would probably not even be here were it not for Bike Week.
Residents in Florida are sick of them, yet the city of Daytona still allows it to make money and only money. Sad. Predatory. And sad.
I don't agree with behavior worse than spring break . They are just in less danger of getting hurt because most are in cars and not on bikes . What happened to the woman in DeLand ? didn't she walk out in the road in front of them ? would the outcome have been any different if she had walked out in front of one of the senior citizens you folks are famous for ? You know the ones I mean to , The retirees from New York or the likes who drove like mad dogs up north and now are old and impared and still maintain the bad habits . I can't speak for all bikers but I do practice personal responsibility for what I do no matter where or what I'm doing ! Like I said there are idiots everywhere . I can be objective on this issue because I don't have anything at stake here , I don't have any plans to attend any kind of events in Daytona anytime in the forseeable future . I check out the web sites because I enjoy bike events and I tend to look through the Topix subjects for places I go and have been just for fun . As far as counting Fatalaties I think it needs to be more in line with what happens in the area of the event while it is going on . One could argue someone killed while working overtime to pay for the vacation should count . Just curious how long has Daytona been hailed as a racing mecca for NASCAR , The 24hrs. of daytona ,all the Superbike and motorcross events ? Haven't the majority of people moved to Daytona since then ? Isn't Daytona's primary source of income Tourism connected with that ? You would think with all the years of tourism experience you folks would be able to better handle the situations that arise with being an event promoter .

“Proud Southerner”

Level 1

Since: Feb 09

Solsberry, IN

#16 Mar 8, 2009
Well Now wrote:
<quoted text>
HAH. Now after such a great posting I will take that F_Tard comment with good humor! I loved a lot of what you had to say. But even you admit that there is some danger here. And the behavior is worse than teens on spring break.
Wear a helmet.
Drive normal.
And you know what - there might not be any deaths. The two bikers who rode that woman down in Deland - which is not even considered a BIKE WEEK fatality, would probably not even be here were it not for Bike Week.
Residents in Florida are sick of them, yet the city of Daytona still allows it to make money and only money. Sad. Predatory. And sad.
Are you an idiot on every forum??? I love your statement, " the two bikers who rode that woman down in Deland", I believe she stepped out in the road and was hit, or did I read it wrong, were the bikers on the sidewalk?? And not all the residents of FLA are sick of Bike Week, so speak for yourself. And Daytona makes a crap load of $$$ of the biker crowd, but they are slowly but surely running them out. I personally quit going several years ago because of all the ticket writing over loud pipes, they don't enforce the loud pipe issue any other time of the year except during the bike weeks. But now I do have to agree with you on the helmet thing, but there would still be bike deaths for some who do wear helmets. I think anyone who rides without a helmet is a complete moron given the traffic here. But I still have to wonder at the State of Fla's logic...our children have to wear helmets to ride their bicycles, we must wear seatbelts when riding in 4000 lb vehicles, yet we can get on our motorcycles and zip down I-4 without a helmet??? Go figure.
Well Now

United States

#17 Mar 8, 2009
teeje63 wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you an idiot on every forum??? I love your statement, " the two bikers who rode that woman down in Deland", I believe she stepped out in the road and was hit, or did I read it wrong, were the bikers on the sidewalk?? And not all the residents of FLA are sick of Bike Week, so speak for yourself. And Daytona makes a crap load of $$$ of the biker crowd, but they are slowly but surely running them out. I personally quit going several years ago because of all the ticket writing over loud pipes, they don't enforce the loud pipe issue any other time of the year except during the bike weeks. But now I do have to agree with you on the helmet thing, but there would still be bike deaths for some who do wear helmets. I think anyone who rides without a helmet is a complete moron given the traffic here. But I still have to wonder at the State of Fla's logic...our children have to wear helmets to ride their bicycles, we must wear seatbelts when riding in 4000 lb vehicles, yet we can get on our motorcycles and zip down I-4 without a helmet??? Go figure.
Since we agree, I doubt I am an idiot.

The point is, the bikers drive like morons. Is that a general statement? Of course. But to drive up I4 watching them weave in and out of traffic is horrifying. They have little regard for their safety or that of others.

I am glad we agree on the seatbelt/helmet law. It is impossible for me to believe that I have to, every time I get in my vehicle, strap on a seatbelt, in teh safety of my own car, while I watch short wearing, flip flop wearing, no helmet wearing bikes zooming past.
Dee

Orlando, FL

#18 Mar 9, 2009
I can't find any information on the woman that was run down in Deland? Did this happen on Saturday, the day of the Deland Bike Fest?
Born In The USA

AOL

#20 Mar 9, 2009
You money hungry Bastards won't see me at bike week again......As a matter of fact, I'm having bumper stickers made up as we speak.......Boycot Daytona Bike Week............
FUNNY AS HELL

Melbourne, FL

#21 Mar 9, 2009
Born In The USA wrote:
You money hungry Bastards won't see me at bike week again......As a matter of fact, I'm having bumper stickers made up as we speak.......Boycot Daytona Bike Week..........
I CAN'T SAY IT LOUD ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!
I LOVE IT..
HAVE THOUSANDS MADE --
SELL THEM ON E BAY --
SEND THEM TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW --
TAKE THEM TO THE NEXT BIKE MEET...
GIVE THEM AWAY AT THE NEXT BIKER TEE SHIRT TENT---
TELL ALL YOUR FRIENDS--
BOYCOT DAYTONA BEACH BIKE WEEK---
DON'T FORGET BIKETOBERFEST--
BOYCOT IT TOO--
AND EVERYONE SAID AMEN
Old School

Morristown, TN

#22 Mar 9, 2009
Just for the sake of arguement I would like for someone who lives in Daytona to answer my question . How long has Daytona been a racing mecca for Darn near every type of racing ,cars and motorcycles alike ? Home to bike week for approx. 60 yrs ! Knowing this what kind of person moves there expecting peace and quiet 365 days a year ? I would think it would attract racing entusaists ! People who appreciate automotive engineering , speed and horsepower . Why aren't throughfairs into residential areas made more inaccessable during racing and motorcycle events ? You seem to have no problem blocking streets any other time ? I don't get it , I see advertisements for Florida tourism and when you get to Fla. it's a bunch of old rude ass yankees bitchin about everything ! I know what I'm talking about on that one we get the half-backs here . That's the yankees who move to Fla. get mad or run off and move half way back up north then we have to listen to the crap of how they did it up north .

“Proud Southerner”

Level 1

Since: Feb 09

Solsberry, IN

#23 Mar 9, 2009
Old School wrote:
Just for the sake of arguement I would like for someone who lives in Daytona to answer my question . How long has Daytona been a racing mecca for Darn near every type of racing ,cars and motorcycles alike ? Home to bike week for approx. 60 yrs ! Knowing this what kind of person moves there expecting peace and quiet 365 days a year ? I would think it would attract racing entusaists ! People who appreciate automotive engineering , speed and horsepower . Why aren't throughfairs into residential areas made more inaccessable during racing and motorcycle events ? You seem to have no problem blocking streets any other time ? I don't get it , I see advertisements for Florida tourism and when you get to Fla. it's a bunch of old rude **** yankees bitchin about everything ! I know what I'm talking about on that one we get the half-backs here . That's the yankees who move to Fla. get mad or run off and move half way back up north then we have to listen to the crap of how they did it up north .
Your post is right on the money. My question is this, if it is so darn great up, why the heck are you here???
FUNNY AS HELL

Melbourne, FL

#24 Mar 9, 2009
teeje63 wrote:
<quoted text>
Your post is right on the money. My question is this, if it is so darn great up, why the heck are you here???
teeje63
If you had ever been to Morristown,Tn. you would know why.
If the TVA had built the Dam two feet higher Morristown would be part of the backwater.

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