Parkland School District may abolish ...

Parkland School District may abolish class rank

There are 161 comments on the The Morning Call story from Jun 17, 2009, titled Parkland School District may abolish class rank. In it, The Morning Call reports that:

Parkland School District wants to do away with class rank, a system that school leaders say hurts more students than it helps.

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joie

Las Vegas, NV

#1 Jun 17, 2009
let's march proudly forward with less measurable results.
oh well, i guess it is not fair.....
where is john galt?
snowman allentown PA

United States

#2 Jun 17, 2009
The poor dears, just can't handle all of them not being number one. Well, perhaps we should stop rating sport teams as number one or second place. And then the sports teams can give back their trophies and medals. Don't be so damn dumb, in life we all get rated, face up to it crybabies(probably the parents). If there are three kids in the family do we now put them all in the same class?
dave

Philadelphia, PA

#4 Jun 17, 2009
More and more like a third World Country.
Resident

Allentown, PA

#5 Jun 17, 2009
"Parkland officials believe the district may be the first in the Lehigh Valley to eliminate rankings, a change that would also drop the long-held tradition of naming a valedictorian and salutatorian at the end of the school year."

Parkland officials must be ignorant to anything going on outside their district. Many schools have already done this, including Emmaus.
Gonzo

Allentown, PA

#6 Jun 17, 2009
It would appear that the root cause is grade inflation. If a 3.5 GPA is the 50th percentile, there are far too many high grades being handed out.
Handed Out

Schnecksville, PA

#7 Jun 17, 2009
Gonzo wrote:
It would appear that the root cause is grade inflation. If a 3.5 GPA is the 50th percentile, there are far too many high grades being handed out.
Exactly...
Rob

Allentown, PA

#8 Jun 17, 2009
snowman allentown PA wrote:
The poor dears, just can't handle all of them not being number one. Well, perhaps we should stop rating sport teams as number one or second place. <snip>
Well said.

Also, the kids who get all A's in AP/Honors classes are definitely a cut above the kids who get A's in standard classes.
Mom

Blandon, PA

#9 Jun 17, 2009
Gonzo wrote:
It would appear that the root cause is grade inflation. If a 3.5 GPA is the 50th percentile, there are far too many high grades being handed out.
Yes, I would imagine for some it would appear that way. Could it be because they could never achieve a 3.5 GPA and it is out of their realm of thinking. So to them (you) it seems unrealistic and unobtainable.

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Since: Feb 07

Allentown

#10 Jun 17, 2009
Gonzo wrote:
It would appear that the root cause is grade inflation. If a 3.5 GPA is the 50th percentile, there are far too many high grades being handed out.
Either that or a lot of kids make really good grades at Parkland.

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Since: Feb 07

Allentown

#11 Jun 17, 2009
snowman allentown PA wrote:
The poor dears, just can't handle all of them not being number one. Well, perhaps we should stop rating sport teams as number one or second place. And then the sports teams can give back their trophies and medals. Don't be so **** dumb, in life we all get rated, face up to it crybabies(probably the parents). If there are three kids in the family do we now put them all in the same class?
Yes, but in sports, if two teams tie, they either go til sudden death or do a re-match. If students' GPA is "tied" with other students, does it make sense to rank them differently? No. Either change the ranking system so kids don't get penalized unfairly, or eliminate it.
get your facts right

Center Valley, PA

#12 Jun 17, 2009
Resident wrote:
"Parkland officials believe the district may be the first in the Lehigh Valley to eliminate rankings, a change that would also drop the long-held tradition of naming a valedictorian and salutatorian at the end of the school year."
Parkland officials must be ignorant to anything going on outside their district. Many schools have already done this, including Emmaus.
Not true. I work at East Penn and can tell you we don't do it. Get your facts right before you make yourself look stupid in public.
the what

Broadview Heights, OH

#13 Jun 17, 2009
i guess this is the true example of the "no child left behind" program - can't get good grades - don't worry - we'll just change the system until you become a top notch scholar without doing the necessary work - fantastic!!!
JOKE

Kingston, PA

#14 Jun 17, 2009
Guess what. Class rank DOES tell you where your precious little child is at. In fact it tells him/her EXACTLY where they are at. This is the dumbest idea ever. This is why its these types of kids that get plushy office jobs, then end up messing something up, getting fired or laid off because they were never taught that failure does happen, and then come back a few days later and shoot 27 people.
Joe Paterno

Allentown, PA

#15 Jun 17, 2009
"Kutztown University officials said class rank is the second-most important distinction, after a student's transcripts."

Then rather than eliminate a factual ranking of students, why don't colleges and universities simply take the time to assess the individual as the sum of everything the student has done? Because that would involve work, and they might have to spend more time doing their jobs thoughtfully and purposefully, and that's too hard.
The problem is not with the ranking, it's with how the ranking is being used, as a short cut to actual discovery. It sounds like Lehigh understands this. Perhaps, in higher education at least, you do get what you pay for.
Parkland oldster

Allentown, PA

#16 Jun 17, 2009
When did 5.0 come to be? Years ago 4.0 was the top. If you scored 100% on every test your grade was no higher than 4.0.

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Since: Feb 07

Allentown

#17 Jun 17, 2009
the what wrote:
i guess this is the true example of the "no child left behind" program - can't get good grades - don't worry - we'll just change the system until you become a top notch scholar without doing the necessary work - fantastic!!!
But the kids ARE doing the work. They are going above and beyond, and they do get good greats, NCLB or not. If 100 kids have a 4.0 GPA and only one of them gets ranked #1, that does NOT present a clear picture of performance.

Does anyone know how class rank is calculated in the event of identicle GPAs and course selection?

I'm not in favor of dumbing down anything, but if kids are getting the same grades, they should have the same opportunities.
angry white man

United States

#18 Jun 17, 2009
one more example of a degrading society. equal outcomes over equal opportunity. As it works in the business world, a company may recruit the top tier of all applicants.(top 10%) Out of those stellar applicants, only a select few will achieve top 10% status. That is how you maintain high levels of performance. If "so called" colleges and universities seek the best of the best, than let them compare the rankings of their students. That way they will certainly acheive what they seek. What this really illustrates is Parkland district wanting to inflate their stats by saying more students go onto better universities. One more example of educational elitists thumbing their noses at the hard work of the common man.
EHS Teacher

Allentown, PA

#19 Jun 17, 2009
get your facts right wrote:
<quoted text>
Not true. I work at East Penn and can tell you we don't do it. Get your facts right before you make yourself look stupid in public.
Emmaus has not had class rank for at least 7 years. Students are assigned a class percentile and the system works just fine. We have students who attend very prestigious schools every year and rank is not an issue. We also have a harder grading scale than Parkland (92-100 = A).
Parkland oldster

Allentown, PA

#20 Jun 17, 2009
MonkeyMomma wrote:
<quoted text>
Either that or a lot of kids make really good grades at Parkland.
High grades are easier to get today. This is not just at Parkland.

Since: Feb 07

Weatherly, PA

#21 Jun 17, 2009
I had a 4.0 at parkland and I was like 41st in my class out of 486. That is barely top 10% with a 4.0! The real issue here is the method of calculating A's, B's, etc. and the weighting of honors courses. Parkland used 90% as a cutoff but other districts use a 93%, a big difference. If they would be more consistent from district to district then maybe we wouldn't have to lean on class rank as much. I agree that comparing the #5 guy at Parkland and the #5 guy at Allen is not even a comparison but that is the system that we are stuck with. This is why standardized tests are so important, but these liberals don't want to use that either. So what are you left with?

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