Elevated lead levels found in Lehigh

Though it's been years since Lehigh was a top apple-producing county in Pennsylvania , officials suspect pesticide use at former fruit farms is the cause for elevated lead levels in at least 47 homes in North ... Full Story
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Korea

#1 Nov 10, 2008
Nothing new for those who know anything of the history of the Lehigh Valley.

Caveat emptor.
Trailer Trash

Coplay, PA

#2 Nov 10, 2008
Does this include Li'l Wolf?
Dr Vinny Boombatz

Nazareth, PA

#3 Nov 10, 2008
Potato farmers also liked to use "paris green" which is a highly toxic pesticide. There's lots of nasty stuff in the ground all around us.
Walmart - American Pride

Richmond, VA

#4 Nov 10, 2008
I bet it is because they are proposing a Walmart in the vicinity...
WTF

United States

#5 Nov 10, 2008
Proposing? No, it's from the actual land moving for the roads and building of the Walmart. From what I've heard, this Walmart is "wanted" by many residents.
Walmart - American Pride wrote:
I bet it is because they are proposing a Walmart in the vicinity...
Sorry but

Nazareth, PA

#6 Nov 10, 2008
Walmart - American Pride wrote:
I bet it is because they are proposing a Walmart in the vicinity...
Yup, It all started when some anti-Wal-Mart nuts decided to make this their rallying cry to stop Wal-Mart. Instead they turned half the township into a Superfund site. I would have rather had a Wal-Mart with all of its faults then having my property declared a toxic no-go zone. This will devalue the contaminated properties much more than any development that Wal-Mart could have. Thanks to North Whitehall for Sustainable Development, a large portion of North Whitehall Township will have to endure this unwanted intrusion from the Feds and devaluation of property values.

Thanks, but No Thanks, you nuts at NWSD.

Since: Oct 07

Schnecksville PA

#7 Nov 10, 2008
Sorry but wrote:
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Yup, It all started when some anti-Wal-Mart nuts decided to make this their rallying cry to stop Wal-Mart. Instead they turned half the township into a Superfund site. I would have rather had a Wal-Mart with all of its faults then having my property declared a toxic no-go zone. This will devalue the contaminated properties much more than any development that Wal-Mart could have. Thanks to North Whitehall for Sustainable Development, a large portion of North Whitehall Township will have to endure this unwanted intrusion from the Feds and devaluation of property values.
Thanks, but No Thanks, you nuts at NWSD.
And what did they get out of it that it would not stop Wal-mart

http://www.nw4sd.org/Arsenic/NWT_Arsenic_FAQ_...

Item 25 on this list specifically states there is nothing the state will do to prevent Wal-Mart (or any other Business) from building on these sites

Of course they buried this Document so deep in there website you have to be a Spelunker to find it
Dr Vinny Boombatz

Nazareth, PA

#8 Nov 10, 2008
Plenty of shopping centers are built on superfund sites, the "brownfields" development alternative is a popular one. Maybe a developer can turn half the township into a supermall.
Pb-OK

United States

#9 Nov 10, 2008
I think the lead factor might alter that document.
Tiger Tom wrote:
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And what did they get out of it that it would not stop Wal-mart
http://www.nw4sd.org/Arsenic/NWT_Arsenic_FAQ_...
Item 25 on this list specifically states there is nothing the state will do to prevent Wal-Mart (or any other Business) from building on these sites
Of course they buried this Document so deep in there website you have to be a Spelunker to find it
North Whitehall Toxicity

United States

#10 Nov 10, 2008
Well, well, well, the roosters in NWT are comming home to roost. The thousands of homes built on the Apple Orchards are tainted with lead and arsenic. Its amazing that the Township and State allowed homes to be built in those fields anyway. New Jersey and other states require massive soils testing and remediation before any homes are built on once "orchard" fields. Good luck trying to sell your McMansion now. I guess the anti Walmarters should be congratulated for bringing this issue to the forefront. Time now to develop a plan to clean up the developments.
Place Blame Accordingly

Northampton, PA

#11 Nov 10, 2008
I do not like Wal-Mart which is why I followed this story but don't blame NW4SD for all of this. Blame the Twp BOS for allowing this toxic land to be built on and then sold to many non-local residents with NO warning of what they were REALLY getting. It's NWT local goverment who is at fault. NW4SD is just making the residents aware of the facts. If I lived there I would want to know if I was drinking lead water or not. I can feel a lawsuit brewing between these homeowners and the Township and builders who sold them their homes (and I don't blame them).
Taxpayers Nightmare

Nazareth, PA

#12 Nov 10, 2008
Place Blame Accordingly wrote:
I do not like Wal-Mart which is why I followed this story but don't blame NW4SD for all of this. Blame the Twp BOS for allowing this toxic land to be built on and then sold to many non-local residents with NO warning of what they were REALLY getting. It's NWT local goverment who is at fault. NW4SD is just making the residents aware of the facts. If I lived there I would want to know if I was drinking lead water or not. I can feel a lawsuit brewing between these homeowners and the Township and builders who sold them their homes (and I don't blame them).
North Whitehall for Sustainable Development is the one to blame for inflicting their ill conceived legal fight against Wal-Mart and the consequences that the local residents now have to bear. They actively now try to place the blame for this debacle on the supervisors after they effectively alienated the same people they so claimed to help. Some of the property in question had been developed 50+ years prior. Which Board of Supervisors shall they sue? The "Township" is the taxpayer, are they going to sue themselves? The bottom line is "caveat emptor", the government can't protect you from everything.
So lets use North Whitehall for Sustainable Development's logic:
Protect the residents from Wal-Mart by having their land declared a Superfund site.
I guess you could sue North Whitehall for Sustainable Development for causing this unwelcome hysteria that they now have inflicted on so many residents.
Affected owner

Coplay, PA

#13 Nov 10, 2008
I'm sure if you drilled personal wells around half the country you'd have contaminants of some sort in the water. We just don't know or hear about it because 85% of the country has public water sources. I'll await the final conclusions and take action from there. From what I've researched thus far, my worst case scenario is having to install a reverse osmosis system for my water at a cost of a few thousand dollars. The lead isn't in the soil, just the deep groundwater (at least on my property). I'm thankful someone brought this to my attention, whoever it was. The EPA has been great to work with thus far, I might add. Nice people, happy to answer questions and accommodating of schedules to do the testing.
spoke

Pipersville, PA

#14 Nov 10, 2008
Sorry but wrote:
Yup, It all started when some anti-Wal-Mart nuts decided to make this their rallying cry to stop Wal-Mart. Instead they turned half the township into a Superfund site. I would have rather had a Wal-Mart with all of its faults then having my property declared a toxic no-go zone. This will devalue the contaminated properties much more than any development that Wal-Mart could have. Thanks to North Whitehall for Sustainable Development, a large portion of North Whitehall Township will have to endure this unwanted intrusion from the Feds and devaluation of property values.
Thanks, but No Thanks, you nuts at NWSD.
Nope, it all started when the first orchard owner laid down the toxic chemicals.

It continued when land developers didn't test or disclose what the previous use of the land left behind.

Did these "nuts" cause the contaminated land & water or just bring it to light?

Did these "nuts" turn the township into a superfund site or has it always been one?

Would it be better to just keep inhaling arsenic-laced dust and drinking lead-laced water or to know about the contamination and do something about it?

I've breathed the dust and drank my water for 15 years and I feel terrible that it took this long to find this out about the contamination.
Affected owner

Coplay, PA

#15 Nov 10, 2008
Taxpayers Nightmare wrote:
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North Whitehall for Sustainable Development is the one to blame for inflicting their ill conceived legal fight against Wal-Mart and the consequences that the local residents now have to bear. They actively now try to place the blame for this debacle on the supervisors after they effectively alienated the same people they so claimed to help. Some of the property in question had been developed 50+ years prior. Which Board of Supervisors shall they sue? The "Township" is the taxpayer, are they going to sue themselves? The bottom line is "caveat emptor", the government can't protect you from everything.
So lets use North Whitehall for Sustainable Development's logic:
Protect the residents from Wal-Mart by having their land declared a Superfund site.
I guess you could sue North Whitehall for Sustainable Development for causing this unwelcome hysteria that they now have inflicted on so many residents.
Just curious, where are you getting any information related to a lawsuit? I haven't heard anything.

Also, why are people blaming NWSD? As I understand it from discussing with the EPA contractors, the arsenic was first detected because of the new road construction and that's what they were looking for in the water. They were surprised to find the lead and are now doing more testing. Supposedly, the new road construction by the firehouse had nothing to do with Wal-Mart. In other words, this would have come to light no matter what because of the already-planned construction project. If people really believe that the BOS, Wal-Mart, KidsPeace, and former landowners had no under the table dealings, you can't link the two projects and blame a fight NWSD is waging on one side with this separate environmental issue. This must be a coincidence, just like the "coincidence" of the new road construction benefitting whomever built on that land.

Lastly, you speak of caveat emptor and that the government can't protect you from everything. Isn't that all the more reason to form a group of citizens to look out for these issues on their own?

Since: Oct 07

Schnecksville PA

#16 Nov 10, 2008
Affected owner wrote:
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Just curious, where are you getting any information related to a lawsuit? I haven't heard anything.
Also, why are people blaming NWSD? As I understand it from discussing with the EPA contractors, the arsenic was first detected because of the new road construction and that's what they were looking for in the water. They were surprised to find the lead and are now doing more testing. Supposedly, the new road construction by the firehouse had nothing to do with Wal-Mart. In other words, this would have come to light no matter what because of the already-planned construction project. If people really believe that the BOS, Wal-Mart, KidsPeace, and former landowners had no under the table dealings, you can't link the two projects and blame a fight NWSD is waging on one side with this separate environmental issue. This must be a coincidence, just like the "coincidence" of the new road construction benefitting whomever built on that land.
Lastly, you speak of caveat emptor and that the government can't protect you from everything. Isn't that all the more reason to form a group of citizens to look out for these issues on their own?
The Tests at the "New" Old Packhouse Road were done and in the book as marginally passing by PennDOT. Their Contractors would do what was required to maintain a safe environment for themselves and nearby residents. Done Deal, No more was needed.

NWSD (or NW4SD whatever they chage their name to its the same) Petitioned the US EPA and PA DEP to test the Wal-Mart Site in hopes to get the Enviro-Organiztions to halt the Wal-Mart. It backfired and they decided to test all of the orchard properties. The Wal-Mart property to my understanding Tested within Limits of all Hazards, Many homes did not, Lowering Home Values through the area, and anyone who allowed the tests and got a high enough Concetration must now Disclose this if they want to sell their property
Disclosure Required

Easton, PA

#17 Nov 10, 2008
This is simply wonderfull. While my family did not intend on selling in the near future, I find it amazing that I now have to disclose this stuff. Who in their right mind would want to buy a home on a former orchard in North Whitehall? Frankly, this is over hyped non sense. Yes, if I took a tablespoon of this soil and stuck it to my tongue for a year it would cause a problem. But, for me to now have to disclose!!! Someone needs to pay for this and its not me.
Affected owner

Coplay, PA

#18 Nov 10, 2008
Tiger Tom wrote:
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The Tests at the "New" Old Packhouse Road were done and in the book as marginally passing by PennDOT. Their Contractors would do what was required to maintain a safe environment for themselves and nearby residents. Done Deal, No more was needed.
NWSD (or NW4SD whatever they chage their name to its the same) Petitioned the US EPA and PA DEP to test the Wal-Mart Site in hopes to get the Enviro-Organiztions to halt the Wal-Mart. It backfired and they decided to test all of the orchard properties. The Wal-Mart property to my understanding Tested within Limits of all Hazards, Many homes did not, Lowering Home Values through the area, and anyone who allowed the tests and got a high enough Concetration must now Disclose this if they want to sell their property
I was unaware that NWSD petitioned the EPA. I'd rather be aware of the issue for safety's sake and deal with a lowered value than not know and continue ingesting tainted water. If you're not digging two foot deep holes every day and you fix the water problem, which is easily remedied, it's really not an issue. Nowadays, even public water is tainted with medications people dump in the toilet and all other sorts of garbage. You can't win either way...
Thanks for the response.
Affected owner

Coplay, PA

#19 Nov 10, 2008
Disclosure Required wrote:
Who in their right mind would want to buy a home on a former orchard in North Whitehall?
The same people who buy homes near nuclear power plants, rivers that flood, wildfire-prone locations in California, landfills (like Staten Island), steel and paper mills, etc. Guess we'll just have to find one of them when we want to sell. Just trying to put a light spin on this.:)
spoke

Pipersville, PA

#20 Nov 10, 2008
Tiger Tom wrote:
NWSD (or NW4SD whatever they chage their name to its the same) Petitioned the US EPA and PA DEP to test the Wal-Mart Site in hopes to get the Enviro-Organiztions to halt the Wal-Mart. It backfired and they decided to test all of the orchard properties. The Wal-Mart property to my understanding Tested within Limits of all Hazards, Many homes did not, Lowering Home Values through the area, and anyone who allowed the tests and got a high enough Concetration must now Disclose this if they want to sell their property
This information is incorrect. A private citizen asked the EPA if there was a concern about high levels of arsenic found on their property. EPA contacted this individual to test their property. EPA also talked to NWT supervisors who gave a picture of a much wider potential issue than the individual's property. The EPA decided to do a much wider test of the surrounding area.

The plan was never to test the Wal-Mart property; nobody lives there. The concern of the Wal-Mart property or any other large scale land movement including Old Packhouse Road is dust that may have high concentrations of arsenic. This is #1 way to get arsenic into your body besides eating the soil.

I am glad the testing is being done. I now find out that I've been drinking my leaded water and breathing my arsenic dust.

Backfire? How? To live a longer life? To be healthier? If I was stupid enough to buy a property here without having these tests done ahead of time, then shame on me.

And I'm sure if Western Lehigh Valley Land Corp whom I bought my property from had any idea these dangers existed, they would have disclosed to me at settlement. Right?

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