Mars Hill Church hosts Tripp. Possible infant abuse advice. Scary.

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Nico

United States

#1 Sep 6, 2008
Mars Hill Church (Ballard, Shoreline, West Sea, etc) is hosting Ted Tripp within the next few weeks.
He will be teaching parents to use painful physical punishment on their children.
Most frightening, Tripp has a written record of teaching parents to use corporal punishment on BABIES under the age of two.
His advice is unsavory and could potentially harm many children in Seattle.
Please email the church: life@marshillchurch.org
Here is Ted's blog with one of his articles: http://shepherding.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008...
Don't let Tripp come to Seattle, collect his several thousand dollar speaking fee and waltz out again without letting him and the church know how you feel.
From Tripp's book, "Shepherding A Child's Heart" (buy one at Mars Hill on Sept 19th. Maybe Ted will autograph it for you!)
p.133 From birth to age 4,“The most important lesson for the child to learn in this period is that HE IS AN INDIVIDUAL UNDER AUTHORITY.”
p.134 “Acquaint your children with authority and submission when they are infants. This training starts the day you bring them home from the hospital.”
p.105 “The child is a sinner. There are things within the heart of the sweetest little baby that, allowed to blossom and grow to fruition, will bring about eventual destruction. The rod functions in this context. It is addressed to needs within the child. These needs cannot be met by mere talk. Proverbs 22:15 says,‘Folly is bound up in the heart of a child, but the rod of discipline will drive it far from him.’ God says there is something wrong in the child’s heart. Folly or foolishness is bound up in his heart. This folly must be removed, for it places the child at risk.”
p.106 “The fool’s life is run by his desires and fears. This is what you hear from your young children. The most common phrases in the vocabulary of a 3-year-old are,‘I want…’ or ‘I don’t want….’ The fool lives out of the immediacy of his lusts, cravings, expectations, hopes and fears.”“Watch a baby struggle against wearing a hat in the winter. Even this baby who cannot articulate or even conceptualize what he is doing shows a determination not to be ruled from without. This foolishness is bound up within his heart. Allowed to take root and grow for 14 or 15 years, it will produce a rebellious teenager who will not allow anyone to rule him. The spanking process drives foolishness from the heart of a child. Confrontation with the immediate and undeniably tactile sensation of a spanking renders an implacable child sweet.”
p.151 Tripp describes the whipping procedure: take the child to a private place (so nobody can stop the abuse), make the child confess, tell the child "how many swats he will receive", put the child over your lap (as Tripp says, to "put the spanking in the context of your physical relationship" (!!)), pull the child's diapers or "drawers" down and whip them. Then pull the child up and show affection.
p.152 If the child is angry about being whipped, then "the discipline session is not over" and Tripp says to whip them some more until they are "sweet".
p.154 “When your child is old enough to resist your directives, he is old enough to be disciplined. Rebellion can be something as simple as an infant struggling against a diaper change or stiffening out his body when you want him to sit on your lap. When our oldest child was approximately 8 months old, we were confronted with parenting our first mobile child. We had a bookshelf constructed of boards and bricks. Fearing the shelf would fall on him, Margy told him not to pull himself up by the shelf. After moving him away from the shelf, she left the room. As she peeked in on him, she observed him surveying the room. Not seeing her, he headed back toward the forbidden bookshelf. Here was a young child, not yet able to walk or to talk, looking to see if the coast was clear so he could disobey. Obviously, he was old enough to be disciplined.”
You are the sick person

Surrey, Canada

#2 Sep 12, 2008
Using slander to further your personal agenda. I read the book and it is EXCELLENT teaching. My daughter's are grown already and are wonderful, wise and godly young ladies, but I am going to the conference anyway so I can personally shake his hand and applaud him for such a helpful book.
Babybeater-NOTCh ristians

Olympia, WA

#3 Sep 13, 2008
There should be a special place in Hell for all you child abusers. "It were better for him if a millstone were hanged around his neck and he were cast into the sea than that he should offend one of these little ones." (Luke 17:2)
Nicola

Elizabeth, CO

#5 Sep 13, 2008
Please note that I do not live in Victorville, CA. I'm from Seattle!

I don't know why that location is coming up under my name.
Bible Believing Christian

Kent, WA

#6 Sep 14, 2008
Babybeater-NOTCh ristians Wrote: "There should be a special place in Hell for all you child abusers. "It were better for him if a millstone were hanged around his neck and he were cast into the sea than that he should offend one of these little ones." (Luke 17:2)"

Baby Beater-NOTChristians? Are you a Christian? Do you believe in Jesus? What does he mean for your life? Your quoted bible verse, just so you know, is completely out of context for your argument. Here is the full two verses:
" Jesus said to his disciples: "Things that cause people to sin are bound to come, but woe to that person through who they come. It would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around his neck than for him to cause one of these little ones to sin. So watch yourselves." (Luke 17:1-2)

I'm not trying to teach you, but to show you that Jesus here is talking about all Christians as his "little ones" not children in general. And better yet, he is saying that the people that cause others to sin are the ones that should be thrown into the sea. When a parent disciplines their Child, according to what that parent believes to be biblical and in God's will, that parent is not causing the child to sin through their action. So your verse makes no sense and thus for me, holds no weight to your argument that Christian Parents are child abusers and should have a special place in hell. To be honest with you, we all deserve hell. We are all sinners and deserve torment and punishment because we are all evil. But our mighty God loves us and wants to be in relationship with us and so, brought his own son into human history As fully man and fully God to live a life without sin and die on the cross, a death we all should die, to save us and give us new life in him. All that believe in Jesus and have faith in him will live forever with him in Heaven.

I pray for you Babybeater-NOTChristian, that you would know Jesus for who he is and what he has done for you on the cross. I do not judge you and your beliefs but hope that what I have written will inspire you to read the bible fully book by book and not just the verses that you think will give you the right to judge others and their values and beliefs. I hope that you might read Dr. Tripps book in full and understand the whole meaning of the book.

Just know that I am praying for you.
Nicola

Idyllwild, CA

#7 Sep 14, 2008
"I hope that you might read Dr. Tripps book in full and understand the whole meaning of the book."

Let's see:
Infant spanking.

Exposing bare flesh.

Spanking over and over with no upper limit.

Holding a semi-nude child close to the parent to maintain a "physical relationship" during spankings.

An emphasis on the infliction of pain.

Is there something else we need to know? If so, tell us now.

Are you particular about biblical interpretation when Tripp uses "rod" verses from the bible that are supposed to apply to youths in order to justify spanking small children?

http://tripptomars.blogspot.com/
Nicola

Surrey, Canada

#8 Sep 16, 2008
Did you know that slanders will not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. 1Cor 6. To deliberately take Tedd Tripp out of context and to imply something sexual by it in your first and second comment is slander. There is no other way around it. You are deliberately slandering him, trying to lead people to believe that there is something sexually perverted about his instructions.

When you changed your child's diaper did you "expose bare flesh" -you pervert!

Did you "hold your naked baby tightly too yourself" so you wouldn't drop her when you lifted her out of her bathtub. You pervert!

I did read it and I DID understand the whole meaning of it. And I think you did too, but in your wicked and prideful idea that wisdom begins and ends with yourself, you decided to misrepresent him.

I think you would be wise in reconsidering your behaviour, because God has this blog on his screen too, and it is going to mean more than just a little spanking.
Nicola

United States

#9 Sep 16, 2008
I see that you are distressed. I'm sure that you, as a parent, believed you were doing the right thing when you followed this sort of advice.

It can be hard to have direct quotations from Tripp's book be exposed to the light of day. Christians who use these types of materials are insular and they generally agree with each other's methods. They talk privately on their password-only message boards about how the "world" doesn't understand their righteous parenting methods.

When it is exposed that a Christian parenting expert that you follow promotes letting babies cry for hours and go hungry until nursing mothers lose their milk(Ezzo), or promotes throwing terrified preschoolers into a pond so they will be scared to go near it (Michael Pearl), or promotes spankings that leave children with bruises that you go in and fondly look at at night(John Rice), or promotes keeping a wooden spoon in your pocket because you will be spanking "all day" (Douglas Wilson) or promotes having a child carry a pair of weights around all day as a punishment (Lisa Whelchel) or promotes spanking 8 month old infants on bare flesh (Tripp), THEN of course you will feel flustered.

When the queasy aspects of a man who encourages you to put your half-naked child on your lap to keep the spanking in the "context" of your "physical relationship" are revealed, of course you're embarrassed.

And your understandable response is to get me to shut up.

However you must understand that my worry of slandering Ted Tripp (which is non-existent, since I'm quoting his book and honestly describing his teachings), is NOTHING relative to my fear of children being harmed by his advice.

What you should really worry about is the fact that Christian child-rearing experts dating back 35 years or more have made themselves notorious for their harsh, unfeeling treatment of children. That fact has slandered the reputation of Christianity itself.
ToleranceNotHate

Plano, TX

#10 Apr 16, 2011
Tedd Tripp is a disgusting man.

Infants are too small and helpless to be whipped for ANY reason.

I don't care how "godly" you think it is.

I don't care if some "Christian" person says its okay.

Grow a brain, Christians. And quit telling people they are "taking things out of context". This is the same, tired old argument. Its getting old.

For those of you who beat your children for "Godly reasons", I hope you get caught and go to prison.
ToleranceNotHate

Plano, TX

#11 Apr 16, 2011
Nicola, its typical that when someone speaks out against so-called "Christian" leaders, other Christians will condemn that person to hell. Grow up. Nobody is slandering Tedd Tripp. They are stating what his beliefs are. He does advocate whipping infants as young as 8 months old. Are you embarassed by that? Is Tedd Tripp embarassed by that?

People are entitled to disagree with your precious Tedd Tripp. It doesn't make them sinners, nor condemned. Many people are appalled that someone would advocate hitting an infant for any reason. Why? Because its abuse. It doesn't matter if its done for religious reasons.
Suuuuuure_nice_o ne

San Marino, CA

#12 Jan 28, 2012
ToleranceNotHate wrote:
Tedd Tripp is a disgusting man.
Infants are too small and helpless to be whipped for ANY reason.
I don't care how "godly" you think it is.
I don't care if some "Christian" person says its okay.
Grow a brain, Christians. And quit telling people they are "taking things out of context". This is the same, tired old argument. Its getting old.
For those of you who beat your children for "Godly reasons", I hope you get caught and go to prison.
Hey! Just wanted to say that I love you name. "Tolerance not hate." Goes great with this post since it is so obviously tolerant of others. I'm not quite sure what you definition of tolerance is since your making blanket "in-tolerant" statements about a large group of people.
In fact lets look up the definition of tolerance:
Wikipedia: Tolerance or toleration is the practice of permitting a thing of which one disapproves, such as social, ethnic, sexual, or religious practices.
Dictionary.Com :
1.a fair, objective, and permissive attitude toward those whose opinions, practices, race, religion, nationality, etc., differ from one's own; freedom from bigotry.
2.a fair, objective, and permissive attitude toward opinions and practices that differ from one's own.
3.interest in and concern for ideas, opinions, practices, etc., foreign to one's own; a liberal, undogmatic viewpoint.
4.the act or capacity of enduring; endurance: My tolerance of noise is limited.
Just wanted to give you a big "Way to go."
If you missed the sarcasm in this post lemme lay it out. Your comments are offensive and bigoted. The are the definition of intolerance:
lack of toleration; unwillingness or refusal to tolerate or respect contrary opinions or beliefs, persons of different races or backgrounds, etc.
Just wanted to point that out. May want to look into that.
Dave

Loudon, TN

#13 Apr 26, 2014
Nicola wrote:
"I hope that you might read Dr. Tripps book in full and understand the whole meaning of the book."
Let's see:
Infant spanking.
Exposing bare flesh.
Spanking over and over with no upper limit.
Holding a semi-nude child close to the parent to maintain a "physical relationship" during spankings.
An emphasis on the infliction of pain.
Is there something else we need to know? If so, tell us now.
Are you particular about biblical interpretation when Tripp uses "rod" verses from the bible that are supposed to apply to youths in order to justify spanking small children?
http://tripptomars.blogspot.com/
You have seen too much pornography.
oldfart

Detroit, MI

#14 Sep 13, 2014
The ab - oral pore who wrote this is the child and society abuser because they won't do the work necessary to control their child's behavior and teach them self-discipline. ...obviously they know more than the creator/designer who dictated the instruction manual

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