Crooked Deal on Scott County hospital

Crooked Deal on Scott County hospital

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Money Bagger

Oneida, TN

#1 Jan 24, 2013
SM Promen agreed to take over the hospital in Oneida, but the county and company are still at odds over the agreement.

And the money,$3 million, is not in hand.

Investors looking to back the reopening of the Scott County hospital had one more request of the county commission Monday night.

They wanted part of the purchase agreement thrown out.

His investors were asking us to give up, give them our security blanket and take it away to give them one.

"We'll be fine. It was a shot worth taking. We didn't hit that shot," Sawyers said.

The rush is now on to finalize the agreement. SM Promen has until January 31 to get the finances together to finish the deal.

If it can not be done by the deadline, Scott County commissioners can talk with other bidders about taking over the hospital.

Do you want that company running the hospital? Better call your Commissioners and tell them to give another bidder the chance!
WOW

Oneida, TN

#2 Jan 25, 2013
Its really sad that this has gone on as long as it has.Dont really matter how good or bad you talk about this hospital people around here need one!Shame on the ones that look at one thing..(MONEY)

Its very clear that the Commissioners dont know how to do business,The sooner this is sold to someone and completly out of there hands the better the people or Scott Co. will be.
oldman

Oneida, TN

#3 Jan 25, 2013
what is the county selling price, an agreement sm promen will keep hospital open for two years ,two years goes by fast,then what do we have..
Country Bumpkin

Oneida, TN

#4 Jan 25, 2013
WOW wrote:
Its really sad that this has gone on as long as it has.Dont really matter how good or bad you talk about this hospital people around here need one!Shame on the ones that look at one thing..(MONEY)
Its very clear that the Commissioners dont know how to do business,The sooner this is sold to someone and completly out of there hands the better the people or Scott Co. will be.
The sooner someone in our county Government uses some common sense and sells the Hospital to a decent company that is going to try to help the people of the county and stay the better. For years they sell out to this 2 bit companies trying to get tax breaks or free properties and give them land and that's why the place is closed.

Heck sell it to the local physicians, at least they might stick around. They sell to this place and in 2 years they give them the property they can turn around, close it and sell it for real estate for flea market. The county needs a decent Lawyer and some Commissioners with an education. That's why these companies come in and take the county for a free ride. They need to sell to a non profit. Why not get Mountain Peoples and some local doctors together and build a small ER. I'm sure they could get a grant.
Fact

Concord, NC

#6 Jan 25, 2013
If Mr. Tibbals would do the job he was voted in to do, we would already have a hospital and an ER. Yes we would have been without ambulance service to an Emergency Medical Clinic, but within 6 months they could have been declared a hospital and had a full operational hospital with ER. Then we would have had ambulance service. All of it could have been paid for by GRANT money. As much as this county goes for GRANT MONEY why did we not go for this money? This whole situation could have and should have been avoided.
I have absolutely no faith in any of the commissioners, Mr. Tibbals, or the county atorney. The welfare and well being of the citizens of scott county should be first and foremost in importance. As far as what I have seen, IT IS NOT!
DEEDEE

Wartburg, TN

#7 Jan 25, 2013
did anyone see channel 4 commissioner monthly meeting and the newspaper? Commissioner's voted to give that unknown food bank 2500(quarterly)- 10,000. Just after they had stated there is no extra money. X amount of money had been set to run the county until June 30th.(End of fiscal year)
People need to pay attention to what these great officals are doing. Better yet how many of county citizens have received any items from that organization? If any I bet only a hand full. Our county court is a disgrace and ignorant. My days on this earth is short, for many years I have watched and listened. Believe it or not every election they get dumber and greedier.
Welp

Oneida, TN

#8 Jan 25, 2013
No new companies will ever locate in an area without a hospital due to their insurance costs.

When the politicians or one of their close family members heaven forbid have a heart attack or accident and then well, have to take the chance of making it or not before they get to a hospital, well they might start looking at it different and put something into gear!
Welp

Oneida, TN

#9 Jan 25, 2013
DEEDEE wrote:
did anyone see channel 4 commissioner monthly meeting and the newspaper? Commissioner's voted to give that unknown food bank 2500(quarterly)- 10,000. Just after they had stated there is no extra money. X amount of money had been set to run the county until June 30th.(End of fiscal year)
People need to pay attention to what these great officals are doing. Better yet how many of county citizens have received any items from that organization? If any I bet only a hand full. Our county court is a disgrace and ignorant. My days on this earth is short, for many years I have watched and listened. Believe it or not every election they get dumber and greedier.
Betcha find out who's getting a salary for running that food bank. Betcha it is one of our great politicians family members or in some way that money will be funnelled to them! Just Saying!
Football Fan

Wartburg, TN

#10 Jan 25, 2013
For those who say the county needs to sell it and get out of the hospital business, I'm curious as to whether you have been watching what has been going on for the past six months?

Getting out of the hospital business is EXACTLY what the county is trying to do. They're trying to give the hospital away. After the deal is inked, the county will no longer be involved in the hospital; they will no longer have a say in the way it is operated. The only thing they're requesting is for a guarantee that the hospital will be used as a hospital for at least two years -- a very small price to ask.

The problem is some of the commissioners allowed a select group of people to pressure them into voting for a start-up company funded by venture capitalists over a proven, well-established health care company. Sawyers is a lying jerk who is trying to use Scott County the same way HMA used Scott County. Look at the article quoted in the original post. Sawyers says that he will be "fine," but getting the stipulation removed was a shot worth taking. Really? They'll be fine? Either he's flat-out lying, or he has had the investors sewn up all along but strung this thing out until the very last minute in hopes of convincing the county to cave to his demand of giving up the two-year clause (which, by the way, the county had already reduced from twelve years in the spirit of compromise). Either way he is a very dishonest man.

Hopefully Pioneer will still be willing to come back to the table. Btw, for those who say this is Tibbals' fault, remember that Tibbals doesn't have a vote.
Welp

Oneida, TN

#11 Jan 25, 2013
Football Fan wrote:
The problem is some of the commissioners allowed a select group of people to pressure them into voting for a start-up company funded by venture capitalists over a proven, well-established health care company. Sawyers is a lying jerk who is trying to use Scott County the same way HMA used Scott County.
AGAIN:
The problem is some of the commissioners allowed a select group of people to pressure them into voting for a start-up company funded by venture capitalists over a proven, well-established health care company.

I'd have to agree Football Fan. You see that statement above is what has been going on for years with that Hospital and our County and that's why it's where it is today!

Folks, look at those select Commissioner's, look at who you put into office and all the political handshaking. They put you and your families health and safety and the counties welfare..jobs, employment.. on a back burner because of greed and political influence!

Call and givem some praise! Remember them next election!

Do you think it might be time to cancel Mr. Venture Capitalists deal? Put the Hospital back on the table and re establish the 12 year clause before the county gets shiszted once again because of our Good Boy County Political System that rewards the greedy Commissioners instead of looking out for the good of the people who put them there?

Just a Question?
Chuck-a-Luck

Oneida, TN

#12 Jan 25, 2013
Please!Never have a heart attack or stroke in Scott County,because if you do,you're a goner!!!
lost faith

Strunk, KY

#13 Jan 26, 2013
Insanity was defined by Albert Einstein as "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

The people of Scott County keep electing the same people for office and somehow expect different results. I agree with Mr. Einstein and see the situation here in Scott County as insane. We have a bunch of guys with limited education trying to wheel and deal with lawyers. I have lost faith in every aspect of local government AND our court system.
DEEDEE

Wartburg, TN

#14 Jan 26, 2013
lost faith wrote:
Insanity was defined by Albert Einstein as "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
The people of Scott County keep electing the same people for office and somehow expect different results. I agree with Mr. Einstein and see the situation here in Scott County as insane. We have a bunch of guys with limited education trying to wheel and deal with lawyers. I have lost faith in every aspect of local government AND our court system.
Spoken with truth. Could not of said it better myself.
fishing man

Whitley City, KY

#15 Jan 26, 2013
those people don't know how to run a hospital, keep it closed i would not take my dog down there
just saying...

Jacksboro, TN

#16 Jan 26, 2013
fishing man wrote:
those people don't know how to run a hospital, keep it closed i would not take my dog down there
Well I sure hope you don't have an emergency situation anytime soon! But do know this, the very same doctors and nurses who would have been treating you in the emergency room at Scott County Hospital are working at various hospitals all over Knoxville. And some are at LaFollette as well. So if they are so incompetent.. I'm sure all these great and better hospitals wouldn't have hired them.. Right? Please!
whatever

Huntsville, TN

#17 Jan 26, 2013
I'm amazed that more research wasn't done on these people interested in purchasing the hospital before any documents were signed. It's a little late now to dig up any dirt. I think the County Attorney and Mayor are to blame.
lost faith

Strunk, KY

#18 Jan 26, 2013
whatever wrote:
I'm amazed that more research wasn't done on these people interested in purchasing the hospital before any documents were signed. It's a little late now to dig up any dirt. I think the County Attorney and Mayor are to blame.
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I agree with you 100%. I see a real problem with a company that can't come up with the state mandated $3 million reserve. There is something not right with this guy. I think he is trying to not only get the hospital for free but is wanting the county to put the money up for start-up costs and I'd bet a request for a $3 million bond or something like that will be requested in the near future.
Needs something

Oneida, TN

#20 Jan 27, 2013
lost faith wrote:
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I agree with you 100%. I see a real problem with a company that can't come up with the state mandated $3 million reserve. There is something not right with this guy. I think he is trying to not only get the hospital for free but is wanting the county to put the money up for start-up costs and I'd bet a request for a $3 million bond or something like that will be requested in the near future.
Kind of like the last deal where the county took a big lose,I think the people of Scott County should let the doctor or doctors run half and let the VETS have the other half.This way we could keep ur shipping port and help the vets.I really beleave we need something here for the older people that dont have a way or the money to drive,And DONT forget ur Vets.
Football Fan

Wartburg, TN

#21 Jan 27, 2013
Why will no one discuss simply opening an ER? I know the hospital employees are opposed to the idea because they want their jobs back and an ER would only employ a fraction of the people. But IMO it is an idea worth discussing. Let's face it: a lot of people aren't going to use our local hospital and we can talk until we're blue in the face about getting the doctors to support it but there are certain doctors who are never going to support it as long as their hand isn't in the cookie jar. That's the simple fact.

But an ER could work. A lot of people utilize the ER, and it gives victims of serious accidents and sufferers of heart attacks or strokes a fighting chance because they can be stabilized much more quickly before being transferred to another hospital. Our ambulances would be on the road to LaFollette and Knoxville a lot less. It would employ a few people.

We need a hospital. But if a hospital isn't going to be profitable enough for any company to risk taking a chance on it, we need an ER and a diagnostics center. There is no reason we can't have that.
just saying...

Jacksboro, TN

#22 Jan 27, 2013
Football Fan wrote:
Why will no one discuss simply opening an ER? I know the hospital employees are opposed to the idea because they want their jobs back and an ER would only employ a fraction of the people. But IMO it is an idea worth discussing. Let's face it: a lot of people aren't going to use our local hospital and we can talk until we're blue in the face about getting the doctors to support it but there are certain doctors who are never going to support it as long as their hand isn't in the cookie jar. That's the simple fact.

But an ER could work. A lot of people utilize the ER, and it gives victims of serious accidents and sufferers of heart attacks or strokes a fighting chance because they can be stabilized much more quickly before being transferred to another hospital. Our ambulances would be on the road to LaFollette and Knoxville a lot less. It would employ a few people.

We need a hospital. But if a hospital isn't going to be profitable enough for any company to risk taking a chance on it, we need an ER and a diagnostics center. There is no reason we can't have that.
The ambulance service couldn't transport people to just an ER without an actual place that admits. I can't remember exactly what it was but if I recall correctly that was part if the reason why they didn't want to initially go with Pioneer. Our EMS wouldn't be able to transport anyone to our ER.

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