Concerned Kentuckian

Richmond, KY

#1 Nov 29, 2012
So, they spend months of time (countless tax dollars) trying to bust a part-time mayor for a dime-sack?

Yea, it sounds like those guys are squeaky clean. I'd say the State AG will be interested in knowing more about their methodology.

Because we all know that pot is really the #1 problem in Olive Hill!
Concerned Kentuckian

Richmond, KY

#2 Nov 29, 2012
The more I think about it, the city council just approved raises for the Olive Hill police. How will a city with as few revenue sources plan on doing such a thing? In last week's council meeting, the council worried about how they would pay for it....should be easy to get that overtime now that the Mayor is out of the way, eh Bobby Hall?

Perhaps Bobby Hall had an ax to grind with the Mayor. It certainly seems suspicious to me. The Tea Partiers keep harping on the grant funds, but those can't be used in the general city fund.
Tinbucu

Richmond, KY

#3 Nov 29, 2012
Concerned Kentuckian,
You are correct that grant funds can't be used in the general fund, but they could be better allocated to be spent on things that are more needed, I.e. public safety, fire equipment, getting the fire department out of the flood plain. Instead we spend them on buildings that are rarely used by the public and owned by non-profits that run themselves like country clubs.
Raises for the city police officers were overdue. No matter what you may think of their performance. We had the lowest paid police officers in the state, yet they are required to attend the police academy.
WOW

Morehead, KY

#4 Nov 29, 2012
Tinbucu wrote:
Concerned Kentuckian,
You are correct that grant funds can't be used in the general fund, but they could be better allocated to be spent on things that are more needed, I.e. public safety, fire equipment, getting the fire department out of the flood plain. Instead we spend them on buildings that are rarely used by the public and owned by non-profits that run themselves like country clubs.
Raises for the city police officers were overdue. No matter what you may think of their performance. We had the lowest paid police officers in the state, yet they are required to attend the police academy.
I agree mostly with you except for the police department thing. When private
citizens came pull up to the gas pumps, beside a police officer, and watch a drug deal go down it makes you wonder how qualified they acually are to be paid a higher wage or to be paid at all for that matter.
Yeah Right

Morehead, KY

#5 Nov 29, 2012
thread should be Olive Hill Police = Reno 911 actual
resident

Richmond, KY

#6 Nov 29, 2012
Tinbucu wrote:
Concerned Kentuckian,
You are correct that grant funds can't be used in the general fund, but they could be better allocated to be spent on things that are more needed, I.e. public safety, fire equipment, getting the fire department out of the flood plain. Instead we spend them on buildings that are rarely used by the public and owned by non-profits that run themselves like country clubs.
Raises for the city police officers were overdue. No matter what you may think of their performance. We had the lowest paid police officers in the state, yet they are required to attend the police academy.
Agreed, they definitely deserved the raise. And it's coincidental that the timing of the raise coincided with this blister on the face of OH,(I.e., the mayors recent legal trouble) as the raise had been suggested some time ago by an officer on the force.
Grant writer

Amelia, OH

#7 Nov 29, 2012
Tinbucu wrote:
Concerned Kentuckian,
You are correct that grant funds can't be used in the general fund, but they could be better allocated to be spent on things that are more needed, I.e. public safety, fire equipment, getting the fire department out of the flood plain. Instead we spend them on buildings that are rarely used by the public and owned by non-profits that run themselves like country clubs.
Raises for the city police officers were overdue. No matter what you may think of their performance. We had the lowest paid police officers in the state, yet they are required to attend the police academy.
Then the local fire department needs to contact a grants professional to submit applications on their behalf, just as the OHHS did. They took the initiative, and succeeded. I'm sure the fire dept would be more than eligible for fire specific grant funds. CDBG would not have covered such, as it is.
Concerned Citizen

Richmond, KY

#8 Nov 29, 2012
Grant writer wrote:
<quoted text>
Then the local fire department needs to contact a grants professional to submit applications on their behalf, just as the OHHS did. They took the initiative, and succeeded. I'm sure the fire dept would be more than eligible for fire specific grant funds. CDBG would not have covered such, as it is.
You are WRONG! Vanceburg built its new fire department with CDBG funds; so could Olive Hill. And you can ONLY apply for CDBG through the CITY or another unit of local government, not on your own. Also, OHHS DID NOT pay the grant writer... the grant writer is paid out of the CDBG grant funds. You're either ignorant or lying... in either case you should stop talking now.
citizen bob

Danville, KY

#9 Nov 29, 2012
The fire department has received several hundreds of thousands of dollars in federal and state grant money over the years. The funds were for equipment upgrades and such. Unfortunately those funds could not be spent on the building. They are always actively competing for grants.
Grant writer

Amelia, OH

#10 Nov 29, 2012
Concerned Citizen wrote:
<quoted text>
You are WRONG! Vanceburg built its new fire department with CDBG funds; so could Olive Hill. And you can ONLY apply for CDBG through the CITY or another unit of local government, not on your own. Also, OHHS DID NOT pay the grant writer... the grant writer is paid out of the CDBG grant funds. You're either ignorant or lying... in either case you should stop talking now.
I do this thing for a living elsewhere, I think I know what I'm talking about. They could apply through the county too. I only said they sought out and got under contract a grant writer, so could the fire department. Grant writers only get paid if they get the grant funded. You should probably stop talking now.
Concerned Citizen

Richmond, KY

#11 Nov 29, 2012
Grant writer wrote:
<quoted text>
I do this thing for a living elsewhere, I think I know what I'm talking about. They could apply through the county too. I only said they sought out and got under contract a grant writer, so could the fire department. Grant writers only get paid if they get the grant funded. You should probably stop talking now.
Well now you're just embarrasing yourself. As I said, they could only apply "through the city or another unit of local government"... which obvioulsy includes the county government (so you really didn't reveal any information there that I had not already covered). Also, if you do this for a living, then you know that any unit of government can only apply for ONE CDBG each cycle, and they cannot apply for another until a certain percentage of that grant is spent out. So, Olive Hill has not been able to apply for CDBG monies for the last 2 years due to the lack of action on this last grant that the Historical Society has tied up. I might also add that grant was applied for in July 2010, right after this town had suffered two devestating floods... I really think we could have found a much better use of those monies after those floods than working on the OHHS building. Further, you stated that a grant writer only gets paid if they get the grant. While this unfortunatly often happens, according to the code of ethics established by several of the professional grant writer organizations, this is an unethical practice. It's not illegal, just unethical. You should be paid for your work whether or not the grant is received... a large percentage of receiving the grant is based on the merits of the organization and only partly on the grant writer knowing how to put it all together. Many grants actually forbid paying the grant writer with grant funds; any many of those that do allow it require proof of contract that the grant writer will be paid regardless if the grant is awarded. One more thing... if you're not from this community, I suggest that you not presume to speak for our needs.
Concerned Kentuckian

Richmond, KY

#12 Nov 30, 2012
Concerned Citizen wrote:
<quoted text>
Well now you're just embarrasing yourself. As I said, they could only apply "through the city or another unit of local government"... which obvioulsy includes the county government (so you really didn't reveal any information there that I had not already covered). Also, if you do this for a living, then you know that any unit of government can only apply for ONE CDBG each cycle, and they cannot apply for another until a certain percentage of that grant is spent out. So, Olive Hill has not been able to apply for CDBG monies for the last 2 years due to the lack of action on this last grant that the Historical Society has tied up. I might also add that grant was applied for in July 2010, right after this town had suffered two devestating floods... I really think we could have found a much better use of those monies after those floods than working on the OHHS building. Further, you stated that a grant writer only gets paid if they get the grant. While this unfortunatly often happens, according to the code of ethics established by several of the professional grant writer organizations, this is an unethical practice. It's not illegal, just unethical. You should be paid for your work whether or not the grant is received... a large percentage of receiving the grant is based on the merits of the organization and only partly on the grant writer knowing how to put it all together. Many grants actually forbid paying the grant writer with grant funds; any many of those that do allow it require proof of contract that the grant writer will be paid regardless if the grant is awarded. One more thing... if you're not from this community, I suggest that you not presume to speak for our needs.
If the local's are so concerned with moving this CDBG forward, why not enact a local library tax, or some other revenue raising, as a match for the CDBG so it can be built? Many CDBG projects are sitting still because the costs of materials skyrocketed from inital plans to bidding. Instead of tearing down the local officials, perhaps Olive Hill citizens should help with this cause.

Furthermore, if people have real complaints about this grant, did they show up at the City Council meeting, or the many public hearings held to discuss the grant? I'd be interested to know, since those opportunities do exist for all local citizens. I fear though, that Olive Hill residents would rather complain annonymously on Topix...

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