black history month

Since: Jan 11

Local Guy

#1 Feb 15, 2013
"BLACK HISTORY MONTH"
from the perspective of
your average white guy.
I'm going to tread where most others fear to tread, especially if you're white! The entire subject is a mine-field of political and social death traps and occupied by those who just wait for an opportunity to point a finger and loudly and viciously proclaim "racist" or "bigot" (mainly to show everyone that they are not)if one's opinion isn't in step with the self proclaimed leaders of the down trod and oppressed.

In 1863, President Lincoln proclaimed all slaves held in slavery by the Confederacy in the south be freed (Emancipation Proclamation). And two years later, slavery was abolished all-to-gather via the 13th amendment. For the next one hundred years, blacks scratched and clawed their way out of the fields. Generation after generation would work and suffer immensely so their children would have fewer symbolic chains shackling them than did their parents. It was a slow and sometime very painful process. But by perseverance, education, a strong work ethic and the grace of God, blacks finally were able to see the light at the end of the preverbal tunnel.

Then oddly enough, nearly 100 years to the decade, blacks in the mid 60's became a valuable commodity for their one precious possession, their "vote"!

Bring the black vote into your camp and the election is pretty much yours. And the Democratic Party was the first to recognize this and immediately set out to be the savior of the black race. We forget it was the Republicans (Lincoln & Congress) who were actually the hero's of the day. And lets not forget that half of the 600,000 who gave their lives to accomplish this in the Civil War were white northerners. But they're seldom mentioned.

When the Democrats launched their "Trust Us, We'll Take Good Care of You" campaign, there were opportunist then (like today) locally and nationally who figured out quickly that if a political party is willing to cater to a "group", they certainly will cater to the "leaders of a group" more so. And for some unknown reason, the group, like sheep following a Judas Goat listen to their same old pitch over and over. Some of those dinosaurs are still around today singing the same old song and salivating for a chance at moment in the media spotlight to validate their leadership status.

The result has been 100 years of breaking the chains of slavery and advancing the black race a little more with each generation. And then a sudden halt and an about-face back into slavery by their (the black race) own willingness to be dependent on the very group and kind of evil that placed them in slavery a century earlier. I don't know what else one would call it? An entire race of human beings reduced to hand outs and crumbs off the table of their captures. The black race is kept in a gunny sack by the democratic party until they are needed and then made to dance on a leash like a dancing bear for handouts and all for a cookie.

A 72% fatherless rate for newborn black children means nothing.
A 52% dropout rate means nothing.
A 10 to 1 ratio black on black homicide rate means nothing.
A 74% black population in our prisons means nothing.
I could go on and on but I think you get the picture.

There have been many wonderful, accomplished, contributing blacks through out history. But how many more could there have been if the black race had not been (and still is being) ripped off?

It saddens me and even more so when I see the black children learning these ways of their elders. Yes, a lot of things can be given like money, rent, phones, grocery's etc. We even saw votes being bought locally for $4 this last election. These votes were paid for with the blood of soldiers, black & white going all the way back to the Civil War. God help us. What have we reduced ourselves to? But who am I? I'm just your average "white guy".

Since: Aug 12

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#2 Feb 15, 2013
And??

Since: Aug 12

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#3 Feb 15, 2013
Great point.

I too have experienced many blacks that have been hard working, honest, great friends of mine and many to be admired.

I grew up in an area where there were no blacks.
My connection with blacks has been experienced starting in my twenties. So I had little to go on growing up. I barely knew they existed.

As a matter of fact, one that I have always admired is Sidney Poitier. He has written a great book called, "The Measure of a Man" that is a great read and has a powerful message.

I highly recommend you all to read it.

I too hope that the many that work hard and work to keep their families in tact will be role models for everyone that is influenced by them, no matter what age or what color.

We have to instill this valuable work ethic character as well as honesty, trustworthiness, etc to get ourselves in this country back on track.

Materialism has sidetracked most everyone I'm afraid. And if you think about it, every single problem we have in this country goes back to the ol mighty dollar.

And there are really much more important aspects of life we need to focus on and aren't.

Since: Jan 11

Local Guy

#4 Feb 16, 2013
12andbucklemyshoe wrote:
And??
And, your opinion? Do you have one?

I'm interested in other's opinion (unlike a few others who don't want to hear any other opinion).

My point is, every culture be it Hispanic, European, Polynesian or Asian has a history based on fact and opinion according to one's perspective. From my vantage point, it seems to me that since the mid 60's, blacks stopped thinking for themselves and have left it to a political party or leaders within their community who have capitalized greatly from it. And the result has been (to say the least) disastrous. I'm not trying to assign blame. I'm just trying to get this out in the open so it can be looked at. Maybe some just don't care?

Since: Aug 12

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#5 Feb 16, 2013
So what happened. In the mid 60 s that caused a change?

The book I mentioned is a true biography and opens everyone s eye s that go along with what you are talking about. HB

I don't know my ancestry but I do know my ancestors were a plethora of many countries that go back 6 or more generations. How did those people do it without help?

Family and neighbors were probably the most help they could get if that.

Since: Aug 12

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#6 Feb 16, 2013
Hair Ball wrote:
<quoted text>
And, your opinion? Do you have one?
I'm interested in other's opinion (unlike a few others who don't want to hear any other opinion).
My point is, every culture be it Hispanic, European, Polynesian or Asian has a history based on fact and opinion according to one's perspective. From my vantage point, it seems to me that since the mid 60's, blacks stopped thinking for themselves and have left it to a political party or leaders within their community who have capitalized greatly from it. And the result has been (to say the least) disastrous. I'm not trying to assign blame. I'm just trying to get this out in the open so it can be looked at. Maybe some just don't care?
Do I have an opinion? Yes? I just choose to look at issues more broadly than you? And, I want to keep questioning? I want my opinions to continue changing as I gain new insight.

I think it would be more constructive to look at the bases for your opinions individually.

For instance, according to one published report, while out-of-wedlock births for blacks have increased 514% since the 1960's, the number for whites has increased 1450%.

Perhaps, just perhaps, the reason for the increase in out-of-wedlock births for blacks is not race.

Since: Jan 11

Local Guy

#7 Feb 17, 2013
Obvious6 wrote:
So what happened. In the mid 60 s that caused a change?
The book I mentioned is a true biography and opens everyone s eye s that go along with what you are talking about. HB
I don't know my ancestry but I do know my ancestors were a plethora of many countries that go back 6 or more generations. How did those people do it without help?
Family and neighbors were probably the most help they could get if that.
My opinion, two things.
Remember it's the 60's. First, there was an incredible amount of change going on everywhere. Music, war, women's lib, style, theater, culture, race, space and on and on. We simply stopped taking a lot of things for granted and took a closer look at who we were and was not satisfied with becoming what our parents were. We wanted our own identity.

Second, after WW-II, the black community went through some dramatic changes also. If you look at white community history, we have never really unified in our opinions and support of anything. We are so diverse in our ideologies, we have never agreed on a single thing to my knowledge. However the black community found (in the 60's) that if unified, their progression in the social status of things increased greatly and their views noticed more. Unfortunately, "leaders" emerged within the communities and became the self appointed spokes person for the many and the community now didn't have to think for themselves. And they haven't ever since. They have let others (political parties, Sharpton, Jackson etc.) do their thinking for them. And the white race has followed suit. We simply do not think for ourselves any more. I know tons of people who are simply the salt of the earth but have no opinions of their own any longer. They simple repeat what others say. And everyone is being led like lemmings off a cliff to doom & gloom. It's sad!

And I'm not sure what you're asking about your ancestors?

Since: Jan 11

Local Guy

#8 Feb 17, 2013
12andbucklemyshoe wrote:
<quoted text>
Do I have an opinion? Yes? I just choose to look at issues more broadly than you?
*Not sure what you mean there?

And, I want to keep questioning? I want my opinions to continue changing as I gain new insight.
*As they should. Good for you!

I think it would be more constructive to look at the bases for your opinions individually.
*I really wasn't looking to be "constructive". Just making an observation. Once we know why the shoes hurt our feet, maybe we can do something about it?

For instance, according to one published report, while out-of-wedlock births for blacks have increased 514% since the 1960's, the number for whites has increased 1450%.
*If you're saying that white "out of wedlock births is three times the black rate, I'd like to know the source for that figure!

Perhaps, just perhaps, the reason for the increase in out-of-wedlock births for blacks is not race.
*Where did I say that? It's not because of "race", it's because of dominant factors within the black culture/community.
Appreciate your perspective!

Since: Aug 12

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#9 Feb 17, 2013
Well I remember at a very young age, before the age of 12 that I didn't like what I saw going on.

And I didn't want to live that way. There are millions of influences and we all come from a different area and with different customs, but I still people from most areas of the world that want to see their kids work hard and be the best they can be in every way.

And to not leave people love hanging out to dry. Not to lie and be respectful.

There are just some of those people that fell off the tracks somewhere and didn't bother or thought they couldn't get back on track.
drphil

United States

#10 Feb 17, 2013
hb,you are seeing the whole world around you change daily,is it for the good?i doubt it.can we stop it?no.you see we all are pitiful human beings.a sorry ass lot we are,every race.we lie,steal kill,conquer,etc.etc.this u.s.a was taken by force.my point.its just time for another change.

Since: Jan 11

Local Guy

#11 Feb 17, 2013
Obvious6 wrote:
Well I remember at a very young age, before the age of 12 that I didn't like what I saw going on.
And I didn't want to live that way. There are millions of influences and we all come from a different area and with different customs, but I still people from most areas of the world that want to see their kids work hard and be the best they can be in every way.
And to not leave people love hanging out to dry. Not to lie and be respectful.
There are just some of those people that fell off the tracks somewhere and didn't bother or thought they couldn't get back on track.
It has gotten better and your right, teaching the young is the key.

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#12 Feb 17, 2013
As long as you live, you will always hear your parents' voices.

That is key and it is who you are.

Since: Jan 11

Local Guy

#13 Feb 17, 2013
drphil wrote:
hb,you are seeing the whole world around you change daily,is it for the good?i doubt it.
*That's a fact, we change at a progressively faster rate as time goes by. And yes, some good and some bad. The good gives us hope and the bad reminds us there is work to be done. That's how I look at it anyway.

Can we stop it? No.
*Absolutely! But not unless we try. If we didn't get out and march and make our voices heard in the 60's, we'd still be in Viet Nam and instead of 59,000 dead, God knows how many would have been lost? And if we tucked our tails and took our lumps 250 years ago, we'd still be in England. And on and on. And that's collectively. Even one person can make a difference. What about M.L.K., Lincoln, Einstein, Columbus etc. Can we stop it? You bet!

you see we all are pitiful human beings.a sorry ass lot we are,every race.we lie,steal kill,conquer,etc.etc.
*And in nearly every instance, the worse of the worse eventually succumbs and gives way to true humanity. But there is a price.

this u.s.a was taken by force.
*The global expansion of civilization is a natural process. Every continent, country and hamlet has under gone a change in occupants through out history. No one has been exempt.
my point.its just time for another change.
*Boy do I agree. But change comes in many packages. Where do you see this country in ten years?
?

Since: Jan 11

Local Guy

#14 Feb 17, 2013
Obvious6 wrote:
As long as you live, you will always hear your parents' voices.
That is key and it is who you are.
AMEN!
DC Da Man

Chicago, IL

#15 Mar 19, 2013
Hair Ball wrote:
<quoted text>
AMEN!
Question:How do you keep a black man from going out at night? Answer: Pour more gas on him

Since: Aug 12

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#16 Mar 19, 2013
Ooooooo.
George D

Cudahy, WI

#17 May 24, 2013
Hair Ball wrote:
"BLACK HISTORY MONTH"
from the perspective of
your average white guy.
and social death traps and occupied by those who just wait for an opportunity to point a finger and loudly and viciously proclaim "racist" or "bigot" (mainly to show everyone that they are not)if one's opinion isn't in step with the self proclaimed leaders of the down trod and oppressed.
In 1863, President Lincoln proclaimed all slaves held in slavery by the Confederacy in the south be freed (Emancipation Proclamation). And two years later, slavery was abolished all-to-gather via the 13th amendment. For the next one hundred years, blacks scratched and clawed their way out of the fields. Generation after generation would work and suffer immensely so their children would have fewer symbolic chains shackling them than did their parents. It was a slow and sometime very painful process. But by perseverance, education, a strong work ethic and the grace of God, blacks finally were able to see the light at the end of the preverbal tunnel.
Then oddly enough, nearly 100 years to the decade, blacks in the mid 60's became a valuable commodity for their one precious possession, their "vote"!
Bring the black vote into your camp and the election is pretty much yours. And the Democratic Party was the first to recognize this and immediately set out to be the savior of the black race. We forget it was the Republicans (Lincoln & Congress) who were actually the hero's of the day. And lets not forget that half of the 600,000 who gave their lives to accomplish this in the Civil War were white northerners. But they're seldom mentioned.
When the Democrats launched their "Trust Us, We'll Take Good Care of You" campaign, there were opportunist then (like today) locally and nationally who figured out quickly that if a political party is willing to cater to a "group", they certainly will cater to the "leaders of a group" more so. And for some unknown reason, the group, like sheep following a Judas Goat listen to their same old pitch over and over. Some of those dinosaurs are still around today singing the same old song and salivating for a chance at moment in the media spotlight to validate their leadership status.
The result has been 100 years of breaking the chains of slavery and advancing the black race a little more with each generation. And then a sudden halt and an about-face back into slavery by their (the black race) own willingness to be dependent on the very group and kind of evil that placed them in slavery a century earlier. I don't know what else one would call it? An entire race of human beings reduced to hand outs and crumbs off the table of their captures. The black race is kept in a gunny sack by the democratic party until they are needed and then made to dance on a leash like a dancing bear for handouts and all for a cookie.
A 72% fatherless rate for newborn black children means nothing.
A 52% dropout rate means nothing.
A 10 to 1 ratio black on black homicide rate means nothing.
A 74% black population in our prisons means nothing.
I could go on and on but I think you get the picture.
There have been many wonderful, accomplished, contributing blacks through out history. But how many more could there have been if the black race had not been (and still is being) ripped off?
It saddens me and even more so when I see the black children learning these ways of their elders. Yes, a lot of things can be given like money, rent, phones, grocery's etc. We even saw votes being bought locally for $4 this last election. These votes were paid for with the blood of soldiers, black & white going all the way back to the Civil War. God help us. What have we reduced ourselves to? But who am I? I'm just your average "white guy".
Only in this country is there a unique race. The American bred Negro is found nowhere else in the world,therefore we must support and nurture this national treasure before it has gone the way of the Neanderthal.
George D

Cudahy, WI

#18 May 24, 2013
12andbucklemyshoe wrote:
And??
The American bred Negro is a unique race.Hell if during slavery there were Basketball teams cotton would have been worthless. Who would have thought the slave holders were unknowlingly improving the future for the Black Man thru their selective breeding programs.

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