ski resort double murder-1978
Gwenny

Brampton, Canada

#126 Jan 13, 2009
both ps the same in Pg adn Pl also. ones still in the vicinity..... the others family is
Gwenny

Brampton, Canada

#127 Jan 14, 2009
forgot to mention that we are fogetting a couple of "crony" Bar owners from back then. Only one of theirs is listed. strtetching from allegany to olean westons mills area... need some more listings.
Chuck?
Chuck

Clayton, NC

#128 Jan 14, 2009
My goodness, there were so many. All were "crony" as far as that goes, each with their own patrons, bowling leagues, softball team; "below the tracks" places...all came about as social circles. I owned two bars myself so I knew them all. Which in particular are you interested in? I could start in Portville and go all the way into Salamanca. My tenure was from '71-'76. I was young and stupid and never should have wasted time and money on keeping Saloons, but was in my blood; my great grandmother ran the American Hotel in N. Olean from 1843 until 1888, which was torn down in 1980's. That was a pearl of a place; you had to see it to believe it. It even had a following, right up until the day they tore it down. Don Donavon (Dons) ran the Windsor Hotel up on Union St before he moved. Windsor was on the corner of Union and RR Ave and it burned one night in the '50's. There was still great amounts of water rushing in, so as not to lose business, Don rigged up an evestrough so he water would drain away from the draught system. The place was packed during the whole ordeal. The Green Front (right accross from Dons on State) had an ABC agent come in one day and ask for a sandwich (used to have to have food) and Frankie Mason told some guy to run accross the street and get "this A-hole a sandwich, will ya?" No more legal sales from then on. Mike Lawlor was the owner. Simon Pure draft beer, 5 cents a glass. No where else to go to socialize. The women went to Mass and the men went to the bars.
Gwenny

Altoona, PA

#129 Jan 14, 2009
None of those ring a bell. of course I am going on things I have heard...rumors and such.
Was there a west-granville road in olean allegany area?
j friday

United States

#130 Jan 15, 2009
w. granville doesn't ring a bell.
I don't know if I've mentioned these before...The East State Rd. To Weston Mills Bars were;
The Roxy, Don-Ra's,
The ElDorado (later City Limits), The Ox-Yoke, The Cogswell (later Doc-Jons), The Riverside Tavern near Portville,(burned in the late 70's or early 80's), The Colonial Tavern, The Ramble Inn in Portville, The Bears Den, The Cork-N-Bottle, The Maple Tree, east of Portville.
Interestingly the only bar still open in Portville is The Am. Legion, The Maple Tree has recently reopened E. of Portville

There was a murder on E. State Rd,@ early to mid 90's. Kevin King's death was first ruled accidental. Month's later the body was exumed & re-examined, and a report stated that he was beaten to death. A group of individuals were all charged with the beating death.
They all copped plea deals except one, who figured he hadn't had much to do with it, he went to trial and got the book thrown at him, and a long sentence...
Andy

Angola, NY

#131 Jan 16, 2009
The law needs to put CAROL,MICHAEL & STEPHENS pictures on a billboard in town and maybe somebody might come forward with some info.Somebody has to know something about these crimes.
j friday

United States

#132 Jan 17, 2009
I have to believe that someone knows something, It's amazing that something hasn't surfaced in the last 30 years...
Andy

Angola, NY

#133 Jan 17, 2009
I agree with you !
blazer

Ashville, PA

#134 Jan 17, 2009
The Ramble Inn, wasnt the owner of that killed in some kind of a suspicious accident? In the same area there was also the death of a guy who overdosed. both suspicious.
I agree as well. what about Youngers, who owned that?
j friday

United States

#135 Jan 17, 2009
The owner of The Ramble Inn, it seems to me, died in front of many people, while igniting fireworks.
It seems he went to inspect a large shell that failed to launch, and it exploded in his face...
That probably wasn't suspicious becuase it happened in front of so many people, many being family...

I'm sure there are other cases of suspicious death's of bar owners, but none come to mind...

There was another place near Portville called The Rambling Ranch or something, but I'm not sure if it was a bar or what...
blazer

Ashville, PA

#136 Jan 17, 2009
those two people had a common enemy that was a suspect at wing and the boardmanville stabbing. whats your thought
j friday

United States

#137 Jan 17, 2009
I'll see what I can find out...

There also was the death of an UNDERAGED kid in Youngers, in the early 90's.

The kid was pushed through a large window, and when he was pulled back up his throat was cut by a hanging shard of glass... he bled to death in a matter of minutes. As I recall no charges were ever placed...And the place stayed open...

You would think the Liquor Board would act to pull the License of the bar owner...

But apparently the owner has City Hall connections...

To this day the place caters to the kids and there are a lot of fights, usally at closing time...

amazing isn't it...
amber

Brampton, Canada

#138 Jan 17, 2009
blazer wrote:
The Ramble Inn, wasnt the owner of that killed in some kind of a suspicious accident? In the same area there was also the death of a guy who overdosed. both suspicious.
I agree as well. what about Youngers, who owned that?
Are there any links on the net?
blazer

Ashville, PA

#139 Jan 17, 2009
wasnt there another suspicious firework accident nearby. like in 80 or 81 but it seems to me it was more towards rushford
j friday

United States

#140 Jan 17, 2009
I don't remember but I was mostly away from the area from '81-'85
blazer

Ashville, PA

#141 Jan 17, 2009
what about third base the bartlett(i dint remember when that opened) chuckwagon hearts and diamonds the halfway house and mac raes. those might be 80's 90's
j friday

United States

#142 Jan 17, 2009
3rd Base was Rumors, Nite Moves, & Hearts & Diamonds. Hearts & Diamonds was owned by Steve Butchello & Paul Iliev, Nite Moves was John Ricci & Craig Hammand, Rumors was John Ricci, 3rd Base is Sparky Granger & Tom Bell.

The Half Way Inn is Rt.16 S. outside the city,(halfway up Rock City Hill) was run by Bill Malone for many years, and Dave Clark bought it some years ago. I think it was originally Malone's wife's place (Jackie Hirliman). She passed away about 10 years ago, after a fall down the stairs...

The Chuck Wagon is a restaurant on 16 N. outside the city, still owned by the original family (Stiles I think).
The only Bartlett I know of is the country club in Olean.
I never heard of MacReas unless that was "Mac's" on E State St. in the 70's,
but that is an interesting name...
Chuck

Clayton, NC

#143 Jan 18, 2009
Ron Rahr was the guy at the Ramble Inn...he bought the place from Archie Waters. Ron had made a pipe bomb, lit it, headed for cover, it did not blow, he went back, it blew, taking him too...kinda poetic, huh? Reynolds Rambling Ranch was an eatery, drive-in sort, no liquor or beer. Too small for any sort of success, but did a nice weekend business. Youngers: Used to be Sullivans; a couple of women bought it, failed, sold it to Larry Young, firefighter (his brother was Chief in Olean); Larry died; family took it. Sam DiJohn used to run booky operation when it was Dipetroes, but there was another name change before Sullivan. John Sullivan used to be involved with finance at St Bonas, lost his job, so he and his wife Florence took their experiences cooking and drinking into their dream of owning a tavern. It took just under a year or so, and found it to be a lot more work and toil than they had dreams for, found the two ladies who has similar dreams, and the door hardly hit them in the arse on their way out...this after five years of sleepless nights, hangovers, misery...it always looks good from the other side of the bar. My advice to all that listen: DON'T BUY BARS and if you want to go public with Mom's Chili recipe, BURN IT!! unless you want to lose your mind and all of your money by selling the portions to the public; very few are successful, believe me.
Chuck

Clayton, NC

#144 Jan 18, 2009
My memory came back whilst in the shower: Sullivans/Youngers used to be the "Chit-Chat" and you could go in and talk to Sam (chat) and one could lay a bet via a chit...the Chit-Chat. You had to get Sam early, though...he liked to imbibe his own swill, and by about 3PM, he was hammered.
Gwenny

Brampton, Canada

#145 Jan 19, 2009
Thank for all that info. What about the suspicious 4wheeler accident in Allegany? The guy died in the early 90s and lived I think after the back buffalo road there.

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