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Since: Feb 08

Old Fort, NC

#23 Dec 14, 2010
american wrote:
<quoted text>If you are sincere in your beliefs you should start sending a extra 3-5% of your hard earned money to Uncle Sam today.
I do. Every job I've ever worked I arrange to have an extra $5-$10 per paycheck paid in state and federal taxes. At the end of the year I get a nice big bonus back and I've never had to pay anything. I hate paying at the end of the year, and I don't mind doing a little more to avoid that, so it all works out.
george barnett

Saint Pauls, NC

#24 Dec 14, 2010
You are all so smart wrote:
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THEY DO OFFER STERILIZATION FOR WELFARE! Are you seriously saying now that it should be a requirement! So you're saying we should lock these "PO'" people up take away ALL of their rights and any chance to become better citizens in the future. I think the difference we need here is education! In ALL aspects! I can't believe you seriously think they should require a medical procedure and take away their public voice to be able to receive money to live. They don't live ravish lifestyles with this money! They live in poor neighborhoods NOT BEVERLY HILLS! Seriously, this is not making sense! You'd rather take away money from people who are already poor and give it to those who really don't need it that bad in the first place! Yes they have worked hard, but the uppper 2% really haven't, they just have old rotten dirty money! But because of "smart" people like you they'll keep screwin' everyone else over and holding them hostage to their billions of dollars! EVERYONE NEEDS TO PAY TAXES!
Hell YES!!!! This is not a new problem.The Jamestown colony damn near starved the first winter due to a collectivist policy of each person working for the common good rather than for their own family.The next spring each family had their own plot of land;work it or starve. If the GOVERNMENT takes half my money in taxes,that doesn't mean that they gave me the other half.I worked for ALL of it.Stupid women who keep having kids they can't afford should not be able to get child support from the taxpayor.Irresponsible behavior should make your life hard.
george barnett

Saint Pauls, NC

#25 Dec 14, 2010
PratzStrike wrote:
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I do. Every job I've ever worked I arrange to have an extra $5-$10 per paycheck paid in state and federal taxes. At the end of the year I get a nice big bonus back and I've never had to pay anything. I hate paying at the end of the year, and I don't mind doing a little more to avoid that, so it all works out.
Only a moron would consider the return of principle on a no interest loan to the Government to be a "bonus".Yep,definite ly a Democrat.
Mr Gecko

United States

#26 Dec 14, 2010
PratzStrike wrote:
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I do. Every job I've ever worked I arrange to have an extra $5-$10 per paycheck paid in state and federal taxes. At the end of the year I get a nice big bonus back and I've never had to pay anything. I hate paying at the end of the year, and I don't mind doing a little more to avoid that, so it all works out.
Son you are talking about peanuts.
Zydeco

Cleveland, OH

#27 Dec 14, 2010
george barnett wrote:
<quoted text>Letting the Bush tax cuts expire for those making over 250K is not about taxing wealth.It is about taxing effort.The small businessman making 300K may be working 60-80 hours a week.He may have also spent 15 years getting to that point while earning minimum wage for his 60-80 hours a week.Too many Americans want to tax somebody else's effort to provide for their comfort.
So, what you are saying is that the average worker, who makes $40k per year is not just as hard working as your hypothetical small business owner. Besides, nobody forces the small business owner to work those hours. He’s doing it for himself. Plus, I know of lots of people whose boss requires them to work those kinds of hours who don’t get paid for their efforts. They only make the average wage (or less).

My original point was and is that we had an opportunity, in 2000, to pay down the national debt, which at the time ate up around 40% of total Federal revenues just to service. Instead, this country elected Mr.“Credit Card” Bush, who ran up a large portion of the astounding Federal debt that we now have. Somebody needs to pay for it.

Note, I didn’t say let the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy expire. I said let the Bush tax cuts (all of them) expire. Then everybody suffers ACCORDING TO THEIR MEANS. And, at the end of the day, the small business owner making 300K per year will still have a lot more disposable income than the guy making 40K.

However, it appears that the Democrats are going to cave in and give the Republicans what they demand, so this debate is moot. What a bunch of spineless jerks!

One other thing. Rush Limbaugh saves nearly $2.5 million and Glen Beck saves nearly $1.5MM in taxes thanks to President Visa Card. There are plenty of bank CEO’s, sports figures, entertainers, etc out there saving equivalent money in taxes. How many jobs have these people CREATED with those dollars? And I'm not talking about furthering jobs already there. I'm talking about jobs that were not there. It is a fact that, since the Bush tax cuts were enacted (and before the recession began), millions of manufacturing jobs in this country were lost. David Stockman, the author of Reagan’s trickle down tax cuts, himself has admitted that they did not work in the ’80’s and that they do not work now
Mr Gecko

United States

#28 Dec 14, 2010
Zydeco wrote:
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So, what you are saying is that the average worker, who makes $40k per year is not just as hard working as your hypothetical small business owner. Besides, nobody forces the small business owner to work those hours. He’s doing it for himself. Plus, I know of lots of people whose boss requires them to work those kinds of hours who don’t get paid for their efforts. They only make the average wage (or less).
My original point was and is that we had an opportunity, in 2000, to pay down the national debt, which at the time ate up around 40% of total Federal revenues just to service. Instead, this country elected Mr.“Credit Card” Bush, who ran up a large portion of the astounding Federal debt that we now have. Somebody needs to pay for it.
Note, I didn’t say let the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy expire. I said let the Bush tax cuts (all of them) expire. Then everybody suffers ACCORDING TO THEIR MEANS. And, at the end of the day, the small business owner making 300K per year will still have a lot more disposable income than the guy making 40K.
However, it appears that the Democrats are going to cave in and give the Republicans what they demand, so this debate is moot. What a bunch of spineless jerks!
One other thing. Rush Limbaugh saves nearly $2.5 million and Glen Beck saves nearly $1.5MM in taxes thanks to President Visa Card. There are plenty of bank CEO’s, sports figures, entertainers, etc out there saving equivalent money in taxes. How many jobs have these people CREATED with those dollars? And I'm not talking about furthering jobs already there. I'm talking about jobs that were not there. It is a fact that, since the Bush tax cuts were enacted (and before the recession began), millions of manufacturing jobs in this country were lost. David Stockman, the author of Reagan’s trickle down tax cuts, himself has admitted that they did not work in the ’80’s and that they do not work now
I love President Credit Card for saving me tens of thousands of dollars over the years. Thank you Mr. President.
george barnett

United States

#29 Dec 14, 2010
Zydeco wrote:
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So, what you are saying is that the average worker, who makes $40k per year is not just as hard working as your hypothetical small business owner. Besides, nobody forces the small business owner to work those hours. He’s doing it for himself. Plus, I know of lots of people whose boss requires them to work those kinds of hours who don’t get paid for their efforts. They only make the average wage (or less).
My original point was and is that we had an opportunity, in 2000, to pay down the national debt, which at the time ate up around 40% of total Federal revenues just to service. Instead, this country elected Mr.“Credit Card” Bush, who ran up a large portion of the astounding Federal debt that we now have. Somebody needs to pay for it.
Note, I didn’t say let the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy expire. I said let the Bush tax cuts (all of them) expire. Then everybody suffers ACCORDING TO THEIR MEANS. And, at the end of the day, the small business owner making 300K per year will still have a lot more disposable income than the guy making 40K.
However, it appears that the Democrats are going to cave in and give the Republicans what they demand, so this debate is moot. What a bunch of spineless jerks!
One other thing. Rush Limbaugh saves nearly $2.5 million and Glen Beck saves nearly $1.5MM in taxes thanks to President Visa Card. There are plenty of bank CEO’s, sports figures, entertainers, etc out there saving equivalent money in taxes. How many jobs have these people CREATED with those dollars? And I'm not talking about furthering jobs already there. I'm talking about jobs that were not there. It is a fact that, since the Bush tax cuts were enacted (and before the recession began), millions of manufacturing jobs in this country were lost. David Stockman, the author of Reagan’s trickle down tax cuts, himself has admitted that they did not work in the ’80’s and that they do not work now
Dubyah's budget woes weren't due to tax cuts.He was a "Compasionate",i.e. a Bigassed big government big spender ala Prescription Drug Coverage for Geezers.A salaried worker may work as hard as a small business owner,but he rarely clocks in 80 hours a week.You mentioned that it was the small business owner's choice to work those hours.You are right.It is a choice.I am pretty sure that what ever income limit you set on them with punitive taxes will be where they choose to stop working.They won't work just to pull Obama's Socialist Wagon to the Promised Land.
Zydeco

Cleveland, OH

#30 Dec 15, 2010
Mr Gecko wrote:
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I love President Credit Card for saving me tens of thousands of dollars over the years. Thank you Mr. President.
Yeah, I should be grateful for the few hundred extra bucks I put in my pocket over the years as well. It gave me money to donate to charities and public radio.
Zydeco

Cleveland, OH

#31 Dec 15, 2010
george barnett wrote:
<quoted text>Dubyah's budget woes weren't due to tax cuts.He was a "Compasionate",i.e. a Bigassed big government big spender ala Prescription Drug Coverage for Geezers.A salaried worker may work as hard as a small business owner,but he rarely clocks in 80 hours a week.You mentioned that it was the small business owner's choice to work those hours.You are right.It is a choice.I am pretty sure that what ever income limit you set on them with punitive taxes will be where they choose to stop working.They won't work just to pull Obama's Socialist Wagon to the Promised Land.
“W” never had budget woes. He just went to Congress and they gave him ANYTHING he wanted. Tax cuts for wealthy Americans, 2 wars (one was optional), No Child Left Behind, Medicare drug reform that was a huge benefit to pharmaceutical corporations, etc., etc., etc. None of this was paid for. He just borrowed and borrowed and borrowed. And the Congress was right there with him kissing his shiny. Even the Democrats in ’06 kissed his shiny. Anybody that opposed him was “un-American” and was pilloried by the White House, Limbaugh, and Faux News.

See, that what I find ironic about the present situation. Nobody said a word protesting Federal spending when President Visa was in office. Most of his spending was for the betterment of family, friends, and cronies and very little was for the betterment of the Average American. The result? The Federal debt increased enormously. President Obama tries to duplicate that spending frenzy by investing in America and the country is up in arms, almost literally. Don’t you find that more that just a little hypocritical.
george barnett

Sanford, NC

#32 Dec 15, 2010
Zydeco wrote:
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“W” never had budget woes. He just went to Congress and they gave him ANYTHING he wanted. Tax cuts for wealthy Americans, 2 wars (one was optional), No Child Left Behind, Medicare drug reform that was a huge benefit to pharmaceutical corporations, etc., etc., etc. None of this was paid for. He just borrowed and borrowed and borrowed. And the Congress was right there with him kissing his shiny. Even the Democrats in ’06 kissed his shiny. Anybody that opposed him was “un-American” and was pilloried by the White House, Limbaugh, and Faux News.
See, that what I find ironic about the present situation. Nobody said a word protesting Federal spending when President Visa was in office. Most of his spending was for the betterment of family, friends, and cronies and very little was for the betterment of the Average American. The result? The Federal debt increased enormously. President Obama tries to duplicate that spending frenzy by investing in America and the country is up in arms, almost literally. Don’t you find that more that just a little hypocritical.
I am Libertarian.Uncle Sam (DUBYA or OBAMA) isn't investing in shyte.Uncle Sam is a deadbeat drunk trying to run a bar tab.
Mr Gecko

United States

#33 Dec 15, 2010
Zydeco wrote:
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Yeah, I should be grateful for the few hundred extra bucks I put in my pocket over the years as well. It gave me money to donate to charities and public radio.
I gave every dime of mine to my favorite charity also. My family. Keep it coming Mr. Bush and Mr. Obama. Hopefully in two more years we can extend it again. Damn I love being rich.
Cochise

Dahlonega, GA

#34 Dec 15, 2010
Those 1% of the people making over 250,000 are paying 46% of the total income tax collected. Do you realize 250k to a small to moderate size business is NOT a lot of money. Most of these businesses are an IRS Sub-Chapter S corp. which means they affect an individuals personal tax return. It was proven at the begining of Bill Clinton's first term when Capital Gains Taxes were raised, revenue actually went down. When the republicans gained control of the House and the tax was lowered revenue increaased. Businesses and individuals took more risks investing their own money. What about the "Death Tax", what right does the Federal Govt. have to come in and unlawfully seize someone's inherritence just because mom or dad died. That's what it boils down to, the Federal Government seizing personal property from a family.
You are all so smart

Charlotte, NC

#35 Dec 15, 2010
Top 5 Problems with the Tax Deal

Problem #1: The deal is a stealth attack on Social Security.

The deal will lower the payroll tax—the tax that funds the Social Security trust. This is a trap for Democrats. Republicans have been coming after Social Security for years and this cut is the biggest threat to the vital program in decades. It will cut one-third of Social Security's funding this year alone and when we need to restore the payroll tax back to its current level, Republicans will cry "tax increases" and could gut it permanently. 1

Problem #2: For nearly one in three workers, it's a tax increase.

Nearly 50 million working Americans—including all workers making less than $20,000 per year—and millions of federal, state, and municipal workers will see their taxes go up because of the deal.2

Problem #3: The deal has not one but TWO millionaire bailouts.

In addition to extending all the Bush income tax breaks for the top 2%, the deal will slash the estate tax. If Congress did nothing, next year the estate tax would be 55% and apply to everyone inheriting $1 million or more. But the deal reduces it to 35% and only people who inherit more than $5 million will have to pay. This second bailout will give a gigantic tax giveaway to a few thousand of the richest families in the country and add hundreds of billions to the national debt.3

Problem #4: Unemployment help is insufficient and inadequate.

While the deal extends unemployment benefits for another 13 months for people currently receiving it, millions of unemployed workers who've struggled the most and been out of work more than 99 weeks—since the giant Wall Street banks wrecked the economy—will get no help at all under the deal.4 It's a gamble that there will be jobs in the next 13 months when the insurance runs out, but the tax cuts will go well beyond that. Better to just pass a stand-alone unemployment extension to help all struggling Americans.

Problem #5: Tax giveaways to the rich are a terrible way to create jobs.

Tax breaks for the rich are the least efficient way to create jobs and help the economy grow. In fact the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office says extending all tax cuts would lower unemployment only 0.1% to 0.3% over the next year5 and that the cost of the tax deal would be $900 billion over the next five years.6

We've got to stop this deal and make sure everyone understands what's really in it.
Mr Gecko

United States

#36 Dec 17, 2010
You are all so smart wrote:
Top 5 Problems with the Tax Deal
Problem #1: The deal is a stealth attack on Social Security.
The deal will lower the payroll tax—the tax that funds the Social Security trust. This is a trap for Democrats. Republicans have been coming after Social Security for years and this cut is the biggest threat to the vital program in decades. It will cut one-third of Social Security's funding this year alone and when we need to restore the payroll tax back to its current level, Republicans will cry "tax increases" and could gut it permanently. 1
Problem #2: For nearly one in three workers, it's a tax increase.
Nearly 50 million working Americans—including all workers making less than $20,000 per year—and millions of federal, state, and municipal workers will see their taxes go up because of the deal.2
Problem #3: The deal has not one but TWO millionaire bailouts.
In addition to extending all the Bush income tax breaks for the top 2%, the deal will slash the estate tax. If Congress did nothing, next year the estate tax would be 55% and apply to everyone inheriting $1 million or more. But the deal reduces it to 35% and only people who inherit more than $5 million will have to pay. This second bailout will give a gigantic tax giveaway to a few thousand of the richest families in the country and add hundreds of billions to the national debt.3
Problem #4: Unemployment help is insufficient and inadequate.
While the deal extends unemployment benefits for another 13 months for people currently receiving it, millions of unemployed workers who've struggled the most and been out of work more than 99 weeks—since the giant Wall Street banks wrecked the economy—will get no help at all under the deal.4 It's a gamble that there will be jobs in the next 13 months when the insurance runs out, but the tax cuts will go well beyond that. Better to just pass a stand-alone unemployment extension to help all struggling Americans.
Problem #5: Tax giveaways to the rich are a terrible way to create jobs.
Tax breaks for the rich are the least efficient way to create jobs and help the economy grow. In fact the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office says extending all tax cuts would lower unemployment only 0.1% to 0.3% over the next year5 and that the cost of the tax deal would be $900 billion over the next five years.6
We've got to stop this deal and make sure everyone understands what's really in it.
It's too late baby now it's too late Obama is signing today. Hail to the rich for we still own this country.

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