OK Health Care Freedom Amendment, Sta...

OK Health Care Freedom Amendment, State Question 756

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asdf

Cushing, OK

#22187 Jul 2, 2012
WMCOL wrote:
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No it is not. You posted parts of the law and omitted critical parts so as to give wrong impression.
If omission is not lying it is damn close.
Then stop talking about how wrong I am and show me WHERE I was wrong and what I omitted. Just because you say it doesn't make it true. Tell us what I omitted.
asdf

Cushing, OK

#22188 Jul 2, 2012
WMCOL wrote:
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Already did.
Where? I don't see it.
asdf

Cushing, OK

#22189 Jul 2, 2012
TAMARA wrote:
(CBS News) Chief Justice John Roberts initially sided with the Supreme Court's four conservative justices to strike down the heart of President Obama's health care reform law, the Affordable Care Act, but later changed his position and formed an alliance with liberals to uphold the bulk of the law, according to two sources with specific knowledge of the deliberations.
Roberts then withstood a month-long, desperate campaign to bring him back to his original position, the sources said. Ironically, Justice Anthony Kennedy - believed by many conservatives to be the justice most likely to defect and vote for the law - led the effort to try to bring Roberts back to the fold.
"He was relentless," one source said of Kennedy's efforts. "He was very engaged in this."
But this time, Roberts held firm. And so the conservatives handed him their own message which, as one justice put it, essentially translated into, "You're on your own."
The conservatives refused to join any aspect of his opinion, including sections with which they agreed, such as his analysis imposing limits on Congress' power under the Commerce Clause, the sources said.
Instead, the four joined forces and crafted a highly unusual, unsigned joint dissent. They deliberately ignored Roberts' decision, the sources said, as if they were no longer even willing to engage with him in debate.
The inner-workings of the Supreme Court are almost impossible to penetrate. The Court's private conferences, when the justices discuss cases and cast their initial votes, include only the nine members - no law clerks or secretaries are permitted. The justices are notoriously close-lipped, and their law clerks must agree to keep matters completely confidential.
But in this closely-watched case, word of Roberts' unusual shift has spread widely within the Court, and is known among law clerks, chambers' aides and secretaries. It also has stirred the ire of the conservative justices, who believed Roberts was standing with them.
After the historic oral arguments in March, the two knowledgeable sources said, Roberts and the four conservatives were poised to strike down at least the individual mandate. There were other issues being argued - severability and the Medicaid extension - but the mandate was the ballgame.
It required individuals to buy insurance or pay a penalty. Congress had never before in the history of the nation ordered Americans to buy a product from a private company as part of its broad powers to regulate commerce. Opponents argued that the law exceeded Congress' power under the Constitution, and an Atlanta-based federal appeals court agreed.
The Atlanta-based federal appeals court said Congress didn't have that kind of expansive power, and it struck down the mandate as unconstitutional.
On this point - Congress' commerce power - Roberts agreed. In the Court's private conference immediately after the arguments, he was aligned with the four conservatives to strike down the mandate.
Roberts was less clear on whether that also meant the rest of the law must fall, the source said. The other four conservatives believed that the mandate could not be lopped off from the rest of the law and that, since one key part was unconstitutional, the entire law must be struck down.
Because Roberts was the most senior justice in the majority to strike down the mandate, he got to choose which justice would write the Court's historic decision. He kept it for himself.
Over the next six weeks, as Roberts began to craft the decision striking down the mandate, the external pressure began to grow. Roberts almost certainly was aware of it.
I thought this interesting that Roberts was against the healthcare bill then changed his vote at the end. Now why would one change their mind shortly before the vote for or against.
I saw this yesterday. I'm sure the answer is clear.
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#22190 Jul 2, 2012
asdf wrote:
Another ridiculous post. First of all, your made up Mary is in California so she wouldn't know freedom if it slapped her in the face.
Second of all, there are millions of small business owners all of this country right now that have refused to hire anyone until after the election is over because Obama has put so many on regulations out, they can't keep their heads above water. He has trashed this economy and his policies make it even worse, they know they can't get anywhere with him in charge. They were also holding back to see if Obamacare would be passed before they hired people because they knew if they went over 50 employees, it would cost them big time.
I am a small business owner libtard. Obama and his policies have fixed it to where I don't hire people, the regulations from his administration cost me too much money and it keeps me from expanding, therefore it means I can't hire more people.
Just another stomp on the economy from your dictator in chief.
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I have always wonder if Justaminute helped her employees with getting healthcare. Or because of the business she and her husband is in are they on their own in getting health insurance.

Since: Jul 10

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#22191 Jul 2, 2012
TAMARA wrote:
I thought this interesting that Roberts was against the healthcare bill then changed his vote at the end. Now why would one change their mind shortly before the vote for or against.
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Nothing unusual about changing positions a number of times before making a final decision. They shouldn't be locked in until the final deliberations are finished and it is time to vote.

Since: Jul 10

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#22192 Jul 2, 2012
asdf wrote:
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Then stop talking about how wrong I am and show me WHERE I was wrong and what I omitted. Just because you say it doesn't make it true. Tell us what I omitted.
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You omitted what shows ACA is not the scoundrel you painted it to be.

You didn't include all of the truth about penalties.

Same with how small business is effected.

Same with where an individual can obtain coverage.

Since: Jul 10

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#22193 Jul 2, 2012
asdf wrote:
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Where? I don't see it.
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Of course you don't. That's my point.
asdf

Cushing, OK

#22194 Jul 2, 2012
WMCOL wrote:
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You omitted what shows ACA is not the scoundrel you painted it to be.

You didn't include all of the truth about penalties.

Same with how small business is effected.

Same with where an individual can obtain coverage.
What did I omit?
asdf

Cushing, OK

#22195 Jul 2, 2012
Justaminute wrote:
<quoted text>Well the Billions insurance companies were overcharging people that had insurance is nothing to you huh, Heat? But add the word tax for you sits your hair on fire. The Affordable care act eventually will pay off what ever the start up costs are. All of your dire warning and complaints exactly match repubs when Social security and medicare were enacted.

Like I said 30 million people without insurance and citizens with pre-existing conditions that can't get it are just too bad.

But I'm not worried, President Obama is going to win over that elitist pansy boy Romney. And even if you Repubs win some seats in Congress we just have to filibuster whatever you put forward. Cause no way are Repubs ever getting a filibuster proof majority. Or those lovely secret holds that you guys specialize in.

Plus it's going to be hard for the party of the older white male to win election in the future no matter how much your billionaire owners try to buy if for you. But you have the whole disenfranchise voter thing going for you. But if your guys try to pull another Bush v Gore thing to steal the election, you might find a whole heck of lotta people revolting over that.
If this was a slam to ins companies, tell us, why aren't they pissed off and fighting Obamatax?? Bc they're making even more money off of this. My rates and everyone else I know went up at the beginning of this year and insurance companies know they're about to get 30 million new clients. Oh yeah, watching that money roll in must be soooo hard on those ins companies
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#22196 Jul 2, 2012
asdf wrote:
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If this was a slam to ins companies, tell us, why aren't they pissed off and fighting Obamatax?? Bc they're making even more money off of this. My rates and everyone else I know went up at the beginning of this year and insurance companies know they're about to get 30 million new clients. Oh yeah, watching that money roll in must be soooo hard on those ins companies
From the get go of Obamacare I have always wonder why the health insurance companies wasn't out fighting Obama care. Then when it was changed from the government totally running the healthcare program with making people think the government was out to break them to mandates everyone would buy healthcare and it actually was coming from the private health insurance companies. I honestly don't think these private companies are going to get hurt that much or at all. so who ever is laughing thinking Obamacare is screwing the private health insurance is not going to get the last laugh. Private insurance will along with the Democrats saying "we didn't and we did it our way."
asdf

Cushing, OK

#22197 Jul 2, 2012
TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>From the get go of Obamacare I have always wonder why the health insurance companies wasn't out fighting Obama care. Then when it was changed from the government totally running the healthcare program with making people think the government was out to break them to mandates everyone would buy healthcare and it actually was coming from the private health insurance companies. I honestly don't think these private companies are going to get hurt that much or at all. so who ever is laughing thinking Obamacare is screwing the private health insurance is not going to get the last laugh. Private insurance will along with the Democrats saying "we didn't and we did it our way."
Yep until people can no longer afford the premiums and they have to drop it completely, pay the tax, and go without healthcare.

By the way, can someone tell me why I should have to pay for someone else's birth control and abortions when Planned Parenthood already does this with my tax money?
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#22198 Jul 2, 2012
asdf wrote:
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Yep until people can no longer afford the premiums and they have to drop it completely, pay the tax, and go without healthcare.
By the way, can someone tell me why I should have to pay for someone else's birth control and abortions when Planned Parenthood already does this with my tax money?
When you find out let me know. For awhile in my younger years insurance stopped pay for most birth control. The only time I feel abortion should be paid by insurance is when it is truly a heath problem but not for any that are being done as a birth control method. Most insurance including medicare's drug plans to donot cover allergy meds now. At one time they did but stopped. But if get a prescription from your doctor and are on Medicare even though they donot pay a dime for the meds it goes against your drug total. Go figure?
Packing Heat

United States

#22199 Jul 2, 2012
asdf wrote:
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My bet is the riots will start a few weeks before election time, fueled by libtards and Occutards (which are self admitted anarchists and communists) martial law will have to be implemented bc of it and elections suspended. You have to remember that these same people are the same ones that did all of this in Cairo and Libya, and have stated they want to make us Cairo. Worked out well for them with their new Muslim Brotherhood President huh?


If they do start before the elections that will only help Romney as it will show Liberals for who they really are. The fact is the Obamacare Tax will lead to more employers dropping medical insurance for their employees. Obamacare Tax actually gives employers incentives to drop out of providing medical insurance to their employees.

To pay the TAX is less than cost per employee covered. This will lead to even more employers dropping insurance and the taxpayer picking up more costs. Individuals will lose incentive to make prudent choices on healthcare costs because someone else will be paying for it therefore driving the cost up even more and making it harder to get in to see a Doctor.

Obamacare does not address in any way of lowering health insurance premiums and costs, but rather to take money from some and give it to others. Twenty new or higher taxes across the board are bad for economic growth, bad for job hiring, bad for investors, and bad for families. A tax is a tax anyway you say it. In other words, tax, spend, regulate, borrow. Bankrupting the economy is not exactly a job-creator.

As we get closer to November and unemployment climbs higher I believe that will help Romney get elected but we will just have to see how that plays out. If libtards think the Elite will just roll over and allow the Government to take their money then they will just have to find out the hard way, that will never happen. That is one of the reasons they are sitting on 2+ Trillion Dollars out of reach of the Government.
asdf

Cushing, OK

#22200 Jul 2, 2012
Packing Heat wrote:
<quoted text>If they do start before the elections that will only help Romney as it will show Liberals for who they really are. The fact is the Obamacare Tax will lead to more employers dropping medical insurance for their employees. Obamacare Tax actually gives employers incentives to drop out of providing medical insurance to their employees.

To pay the TAX is less than cost per employee covered. This will lead to even more employers dropping insurance and the taxpayer picking up more costs. Individuals will lose incentive to make prudent choices on healthcare costs because someone else will be paying for it therefore driving the cost up even more and making it harder to get in to see a Doctor.

Obamacare does not address in any way of lowering health insurance premiums and costs, but rather to take money from some and give it to others. Twenty new or higher taxes across the board are bad for economic growth, bad for job hiring, bad for investors, and bad for families. A tax is a tax anyway you say it. In other words, tax, spend, regulate, borrow. Bankrupting the economy is not exactly a job-creator.

As we get closer to November and unemployment climbs higher I believe that will help Romney get elected but we will just have to see how that plays out. If libtards think the Elite will just roll over and allow the Government to take their money then they will just have to find out the hard way, that will never happen. That is one of the reasons they are sitting on 2+ Trillion Dollars out of reach of the Government.
Very good explanation. You just described socialism and it has never worked. Ask Greece where even people in suits are digging in trash cans for food. Which by the way WMCOLLis the reason people are buying guns. Not bc they can bc obama lets them ( whatever its ur right he doesn't give u permission) but bc people know what's coming from you people that think everyone should what is THEIRS

Since: Jul 10

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#22201 Jul 2, 2012
asdf wrote:
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What did I omit?
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All of the above.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#22202 Jul 2, 2012
asdf wrote:
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Very good explanation. You just described socialism and it has never worked. Ask Greece where even people in suits are digging in trash cans for food. Which by the way WMCOLLis the reason people are buying guns. Not bc they can bc obama lets them ( whatever its ur right he doesn't give u permission) but bc people know what's coming from you people that think everyone should what is THEIRS
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Geez Perk, you have a bad case of paranoia. Hope it doesn't destroy ya.
asdf

Cushing, OK

#22203 Jul 2, 2012
WMCOL wrote:
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Geez Perk, you have a bad case of paranoia. Hope it doesn't destroy ya.
Yeah I do and it's warranted. Apparently a lot of the country does too
asdf

Cushing, OK

#22204 Jul 2, 2012
WMCOL wrote:
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All of the above.
Okay you keep telling us that I omitted something but won't tell anyone what it is so this conversation is over.
asdf

Cushing, OK

#22205 Jul 2, 2012
Here’s what Donald Trump had to say about Obama Care. You may not like him, but he sums it up perfectly and you can't say it's not the truth.

Let me get this straight ...…
We’re going to be “gifted” with a health care Plan we are forced to purchase and fined if we don’t,
Which purportedly covers at least ten million more people,
without adding a single new doctor,
but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents,
written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn’t understand it,
passed by a Congress that didn’t read it but exempted themselves from it,
and signed by a President who smokes,
with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn’t pay his taxes,
for which we’ll be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect,
by a government which has already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare,
all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese,
and financed by a country that’s broke!!!!!
What the hell could possibly go wrong?

Since: Dec 11

Science Hill, KY

#22206 Jul 2, 2012
It doesn't matter what your dumb ass legislature puts up for a bill to waste your tax payer dollars. This will not stand the test of constitutionality and they know it. This is a Federally backed program that has just been upheld by the Supreme Court, get over it because for now it is done. Has to be ammended to change it. If you do not like some of the provisions ask your senators to challenge them but it will stand now.

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