Direct line to God Ma bell must be happy

Direct line to God Ma bell must be happy

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forgiving husband

Ponte Vedra Beach, FL

#1 Jan 4, 2008
Locking a kid in solitary confinement of the prayer room is another way of saying locked in an closet. Child Protective Services removed kids from their homes for the same thing. this practice a regular part of its “training institutes prgram.” Being spanked not even allowed in public schools. Having teenagers in postions of power with no formal training also comes into question. As fars as someone checking in with God to see if he will give blessing to give to anothers campaign fund sounds alot like the one saying God would take him if he did not raise a certain amount of money. Aka enough to bail out a school maybe. With all these direct connectins to God Ma bell must be do very well
forgiving husband

Ponte Vedra Beach, FL

#2 Jan 5, 2008
Dominionism and child abuse,
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/13/16852...

Looking into some of the things put out by Bill Gothard I ran into this article doing research. Found several things alike.
To be clear here I don’t see any thing wrong with home schooling only the stuff being put out for them to guide them is not true and what it promotes. And how is being spread.

One of the more popular books among dominionist childrearing circles is Gary and Anne Marie Ezzo's book "Babywise"--promoted in the dominionist "Quiverfull" circles as "Growing Kids God's Way

"Babywise

Tells parents to disregard medical advice.

I’m interested to see when Bill Gothard needs medical help like a pace maker if he uses someone who just seen the procedure done and before they can start to have the hospital checked for evil garbage patch dolls.

The American Academy of Pediatrics has specifically warned against the practices promoted in the book as has the Canadian Child Care Federation and a major site for new mothers. One of the big risks, at this, is that babies don't form proper attachments (and thus are set up for lifelong anxiety disorders as they never really learn to trust):
One of his statements:
I killed the king of deceit and now I sleep in anarchy."
Makes one wonder if this doesn’t play into recent events such as Mathew Murray.
The above statement sounds like his lost trust and has anxiety
In addition, an article in the Bradenton Herald noted how the Ezzo material is potentially highly dangerous as well--including a tiny four-month-old baby who was not only starving but literally had given up the will to live: Mathew Murray seemed to have.

Another statement:
"We'll make our own religion and be our own God's instead listening to some abusive pedophile church like what I was raised in telling us who's 'saved' and who's not,"

Two words jump out here abusive pedophile I can’t help but wonder if there was something left un said. This not ment toward the parents but the traing center.

. Much like the Ezzos, online support forums exist for parents using these books as well (including the eponymous LJ community "Trainupachild", which promotes not only the work of the Pearls but Tedd Tripp, Bill Gothard, and others).

Again, this is just the highlights off their website: Stop The Rod has far more excerpts of both To Train Up A Child and No Greater Joy available

Another point:

We were always told to support republicans/conservatives and to hate those evil satanic democrats. Jesus never said to put trust in any political leaders.
Is this not teaching not to trust?

Smear a candidate. Specifically, Aimee attempted to literally call a non-dominionist candidate a "closet Communist" during a 1930's radio campaign
and to hate those evil satanic democrats.

Jesus never said to put trust in any political leaders.

As fars as someone checking in with God to see if he will give blessing to give to anothers campaign fund sounds alot like the one saying God would take him if he did not raise a certain amount of money. Aka enough to bail out a school maybe.
With all these direct connectins to God Ma bell must be do very well

Is this not saying Abuse ok and I did not think God says any thing about hating any thing.

She should stay with her husband even if he's abusing her and the kids because "God hates divorce".
forgiving husband

Ponte Vedra Beach, FL

#3 Jan 6, 2008
Jesus told the crowd in Matthew 7:15 to “Beware of false prophets…” This would require that followers and potential followers evaluate the claims and teachings of those who claim to speak authoritatively, in this case prophets, to determine if they are true or false. The Apostle Paul wrote to the young pastor Timothy in 1 Timothy 1:3

Character first program claims not to be a church to get into the schools across the U.S..
Claims not to be a business to be non profit to avoid taxes though it would seem its making money. http://store.iblp.org/products/ARM/
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So what are they?

My poll backs up others not sure about the same question.
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/oklahoma-city...

The most heart-breaking part in this program is the first-hand accounts of some of his victims. Families have been broken, and lives of people, both young and old Matthew J. Murray being the latest victim but there have been others destroyed by this controlling group. The harsh rules applied to them for discipline and conflict resolution were never followed by Gothard personally. They are under his law, but he is above it!
DO AS I SAY NOT AS I DO.
Other research:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Gothard

http://home.earthlink.net/~forever2again/


http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/vol18/i...

It seems strange that they are pushing about evil in politics when they are using politics to spread this program
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/oklahoma-city...

Comment from Matthew J. Murray.

We were always told to support republicans/conservatives and to hate those evil satanic democrats. Jesus never said to put trust in any political leaders.

I think he has a well made point here.

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/oklahoma-city...

The Bible sets forth principles for Godly living and that if one learns and follows these principles, one will be able to avoid and refute false teachings and false concepts such as Bill Gothar’s IBLP
James

United States

#4 Jan 6, 2008
forgiving husband: Wrote

"With all these direct connectins to God Ma bell must be do very well"

MaBell is doing very well, thanks for asking. Soon my youngest child Verizon will return home. And again we shall be one.
forgiving husband

Ponte Vedra Beach, FL

#5 Jan 6, 2008
I'm happy for you. Been through war.
forgiving husband

Ponte Vedra Beach, FL

#6 Jan 7, 2008
Still waiting for Bill Gothard to do as he tells others to do.
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/oklahoma-city...

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