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Common Sensei

United States

#1 Jun 20, 2007
As a native Oklahoman ( and 1/16th
Cherokee ) you'd think by todays
standards that I AM a full blood
Cherokee. Althought the Cherokee Nation
has recently been taking some controversial steps to define what a
true Cherokee is, you'd think the opposite is true of the Chickasaw Nation and other native American tribes. I keep seeing these commercials
for the Chickasaw Nation with people who talk about things the Chickasaw
tribe is doing in Oklahoma. I'll be
damned if ANY of them look even half
Chickasaw. In fact some if not most of
them LOOK more caucasian/European than
anything. The last commercial I just
saw with a woman who is an employee of
our First Lady, looks more Swedish than
Chickasaw indian. And in a commercial
for the Cherokee Nation, the voice at the end of the commercial that talks
about "common values", SOUNDS more like
a hick COWBOY than a native indian.

I know I don't keep up with Native
American issues like I should, especially as an Oklahoman, but is it
just me or can anyone be a Native
American indian these days? Have full
blood native indians become so scarce
or interracial breeding with whites,
blacks, hispanics, etc. become so
prevalent, that they have to accept
people with 1/16th indian blood in
their genes as members of their tribes?
If that's the case, then sign me up. I
want some of those government benefits
and casino money too.

Somebody clue me in on what's going on.
Common Sensei

United States

#3 Jun 23, 2007
africanus_maximus wrote:
Yeah we need to breed out the White/Caucasian race by impregnating more White women with mulatto/mixed babies. Pretty much all Whites try to be "part Indian" in Oklahoma because White Okies have no tradition or history/culture. "Chreokees" are pretty much just white-trash Okie hicks trying to be ethnic. But that is good that Whites are trading their race and becoming ashamed of their hitory because they are now mixed down to only 8% of the world population. Which means more white pussy for us brithas and other men of color !!!
Gee. Thanks for the "intelligent" (RACIST) response there "africanus"_minumus.
Common Sensei

United States

#5 Jun 24, 2007
africanus_maximus wrote:
I can't be a racist...I'm black ! Only White male Protestants can qualify as racist. We will eventually come to a new Kosovo style Balkanizing of the North American continent based on race and language. The Southwest is already owned by Latinos and us black folks already own the Gulf Coast region. This whole diversity bullshit does not work out and us people of color do not want it ! WE HATE YOU WHITEY !
Another mature response! Saying "a black
CAN'T be a racist" is like saying a woman
can't be a rapist or a homosexual can't
commit a "hate" crime. Is there anyone
intelligent out there who can answer my
question or am I stuck with AfriCAN'Tus?

BTW Africanus. Your ability to blanketly
stereotype is showing that you are just
as ignorant (& a hypocrit) as the "whitey"
you love to hate. A southern white cop
from the 1950's is more tolerant than
your backwards behind.
Common Sensei

United States

#10 Jun 24, 2007
africanus_maximus wrote:
Whitey has no place or tradition in this state.
So I guess you've never heard of The LAND
RUN? You are from Sooner Town/Norman, but I guess they didn't teach you that in the public school that you probably didn't
graduate from. Is that why you are such
an angry/chip on your shoulder moron? Or
is because the "man" has been holding you
down and you have to have somebody to
blame for your loser life?
Harris

AOL

#11 Jun 25, 2007
My mom and dad were born in OK in early 1900. They were African, Irish, Indian, German, etc.....However, I am black. I don't think there are any native americans left.. Ever heard of the Bearing Straights?.....Depends on how far back you go... There was a time when no one lived in OK... Gentlemen,(if I may call you that?) If you are a real indian, smoke the peace pipe and "leave it alonw."

“Out of my mind. (or not)”

Since: Jun 07

Norman OK

#12 Jun 26, 2007
Harris wrote:
My mom and dad were born in OK in early 1900. They were African, Irish, Indian, German, etc.....However, I am black. I don't think there are any native americans left.. Ever heard of the Bearing Straights?.....Depends on how far back you go... There was a time when no one lived in OK... Gentlemen,(if I may call you that?) If you are a real indian, smoke the peace pipe and "leave it alonw."
I am overwhelmed by your blatant racism and ignorance about Indian people, but I'm not surprised. Indians endured years of genocide and broken promises. They still very much exist and are, sadly, are very familiar with marginalization by people like you.

And guess what, I know FULL BLOODED indians.

Try going to a pow wow and then tell me they don't exist.

And, by the way, I'm a member of the Sycamore Tribe. Find a native person who has not been stripped of his identity, and he will tell you what that means.

See this site if you would like to start to educate yourself:

http://www.understandingprejudice.org/teach/n...

Or consider taking a class about Native American Studies.

“Out of my mind. (or not)”

Since: Jun 07

Norman OK

#13 Jun 26, 2007
Common Sensei wrote:
As a native Oklahoman ( and 1/16th
Cherokee ) you'd think by todays
standards that I AM a full blood
Cherokee. Althought the Cherokee Nation
has recently been taking some controversial steps to define what a
true Cherokee is, you'd think the opposite is true of the Chickasaw Nation and other native American tribes. I keep seeing these commercials
for the Chickasaw Nation with people who talk about things the Chickasaw
tribe is doing in Oklahoma. I'll be
damned if ANY of them look even half
Chickasaw. In fact some if not most of
them LOOK more caucasian/European than
anything. The last commercial I just
saw with a woman who is an employee of
our First Lady, looks more Swedish than
Chickasaw indian. And in a commercial
for the Cherokee Nation, the voice at the end of the commercial that talks
about "common values", SOUNDS more like
a hick COWBOY than a native indian.
I know I don't keep up with Native
American issues like I should, especially as an Oklahoman, but is it
just me or can anyone be a Native
American indian these days? Have full
blood native indians become so scarce
or interracial breeding with whites,
blacks, hispanics, etc. become so
prevalent, that they have to accept
people with 1/16th indian blood in
their genes as members of their tribes?
If that's the case, then sign me up. I
want some of those government benefits
and casino money too.
Somebody clue me in on what's going on.
Please see my comments to Harris.

There are full blood Indians out there. If you know nothing about your culture, years of genocide and marginalization are to blame. Probably, those preceding you were made to feel ashamed of their identity and pretended it didn't exist.

http://www.unitednativeamerica.com/aiholocaus...

You make a comment about the light color of people's skins. There are many "dark" Indian people who know NOTHING about their heritage. At the same time, there are light-skinned Indians who have been RAISED Indian and have completely Indian sensibilities. Being Indian is more than just skin color.

As for the sound of the guy's voice on the commercial--please. Do you expect broken English? These are real Indians. You are not viewing "Gunsmoke."

Please educate yourself, friend. You have been denied your heritage by ignorance or fear or just the passage of time.

Take a Native American Studies course at OU.
Common Sensei

United States

#18 Jun 26, 2007
Aricantus-minumus,

I hate to even paraphrase the Dixie
Chicks, but I'm embarrassed that you are from Oklahoma. And I'd be willing to bet that most black
Africans would be ashamed that you
claim to be a descendent from that
wonderful continent. You make the
stereotypical southern white racist
look like a Boy Scout. You make a
skinhead sound intelligent.

But hey, keep spouting your hateful,
venomous drivel. Hopefully the Feds
are reading your vile garbage. I'm
sure they'd discover that there's
another potential Oklahoma terrorist
with a web name that makes himself
sound big. But anyone who reads your
tripe knows how small you really are.

Thanks to Claythorn and others for
bringing some intelligence and
civility to my original question.
a person

United States

#21 Jun 26, 2007
africanus-maximus you are such a moron ,you are just a waste of space and time and yes you are racist look at the crap you spout off it seems to me your more racist than the white man !!!! dont blame others for having such a loser life . i will pray for you cause you really need it
Common Sensei

United States

#22 Jun 27, 2007
africanus,

if you need any help moving back
to Lake New Orleans then be sure
and call that great "chocolate"
Mayor friend of yours, Mr. No-gone,
and see if he can rustle up a bus
for you before they all get flooded
out of service again. I would never
wish something like Katrina on any
person or city ever again. But in
your case a_m, I hope the next big
hurricane that hits N.O. only takes
you and throws you into the nearest
junkyard where you can be with more
of your kind...vermin.

As for blacks taking all the white
women and blacks being so superior.
The only reason you need to try to
re-populate the black race in America
is (a) Hispanics have taken over the
spot of blacks as the biggest
minority in the U.S.,(b) black
women are rejecting loser black men
in droves and dating/marrying white,
hispanic, asian men. And tragically,
(b) what continent/race is currently
having the worst problem with AIDS?

The only thing that you personally
are superior to anyone on is your
big mouth and your smaller mind.
Thoughtful

Decatur, MS

#23 Jun 27, 2007
Common Sensei wrote:
As a native Oklahoman ( and 1/16th
Cherokee ) you'd think by todays
standards that I AM a full blood
Cherokee. Althought the Cherokee Nation
has recently been taking some controversial steps to define what a
true Cherokee is, you'd think the opposite is true of the Chickasaw Nation and other native American tribes. I keep seeing these commercials
for the Chickasaw Nation with people who talk about things the Chickasaw
tribe is doing in Oklahoma. I'll be
damned if ANY of them look even half
Chickasaw. In fact some if not most of
them LOOK more caucasian/European than
anything. The last commercial I just
saw with a woman who is an employee of
our First Lady, looks more Swedish than
Chickasaw indian. And in a commercial
for the Cherokee Nation, the voice at the end of the commercial that talks
about "common values", SOUNDS more like
a hick COWBOY than a native indian.
I know I don't keep up with Native
American issues like I should, especially as an Oklahoman, but is it
just me or can anyone be a Native
American indian these days? Have full
blood native indians become so scarce
or interracial breeding with whites,
blacks, hispanics, etc. become so
prevalent, that they have to accept
people with 1/16th indian blood in
their genes as members of their tribes?
If that's the case, then sign me up. I
want some of those government benefits
and casino money too.
Somebody clue me in on what's going on.
Why do you need a definition?
lara

Alameda, CA

#24 Jun 28, 2007
Aficanus maximus, Here in California the Hispanics are killing blacks and there dropping like flys. So what do you think of that.
lara

Alameda, CA

#25 Jun 28, 2007
La Raza is going to take over the united States,
They are also indigenous people of america like native america. Have you heard of Aztec?
Your right your roots and people of origin are from Africa so you better get your butt a movin back to your motherland.
Sunshine

Auburn Hills, MI

#26 Jun 28, 2007
"EDUCATION IS FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO LEARN" ---WHAT I READ ABOVE ISN'T FROM AN EDUCATED MAN....IT'S HATRED FOR PEOPLE NO MATTER WHO THEY ARE...I AM VERY SAD FOR YOU AND I HOPE YOU SOMEDAY COME TO GRIPS WITH YOUR ANGER.
Walter Morales

United States

#27 Jun 30, 2007
africanus_maximus wrote:
"Native Americans" do not even exist and never really have. DNA testing has proven that Indians are north-central Asian and crossed the Berring Straight from Siberia into Alaska during the last Ice Age. The Kennewick Man was actually carbon dated to be older than American Indians on this continent and Kennewick Man was actually Scandinavian,and they have also found Egyptian skeletons in northern Florida that are aged before the "Native Americans" came here from Asia. "Native Americans" are a racist fraud living off tax payers and are nationalists racist for even claiming this land to be theirs. The Black/African race is the first human race and the ultimately physically superior race and genetically strongest. Natural selection will make all White/Latino/Asian (Native) women evolve to black by having our black babies and mixing your recessive lighter skin genes to extinction. Hail Farrakhan and the Rev. Jessey Jackson !!!! www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennewick_Man <<<< the first known Americans according to Scientists from over 30 countries. Read it and Weap "Native" posers !
How downright ignorant some Afrocentric people to ever insult Native Americans on the Bering Bridge theory; which is connected to fantasies as the Age of Discovery, Manifest Destiny, and racial superiority.

The city of Troy was found through oral stories.
Walter Morales

United States

#28 Jun 30, 2007
In response to Africanus-Maximus, the arrogant and ignorant Afrocentric man. Native Americans did not come from a whimsical island, Lost ten Tribes, and Siberia; for we have always been here. The city of Troy some argue was documented before; however, the fact remains that Troy was found by oral interpretations of it's location, also, Archeaologists are now working along with Native American tribes, since, most can give detailed accounts of volcano formations, that happen in thousand, if not millions of years. Note, also, that as a pocomam Maya Indian, we have records of a Chinese trade partnership not an African. You can argue that coca fibers were found within the tombs of the kings of Egypt. There coulve been a trade partnership between South America and Egypt, but there was little influence; for the Caral Pyramids are far older than those of Egypt.And like my Egyptian friend once said, "Black Africans were bitter enemies at one point to Egypts kingdom."

To assume that the Olmec civilization of Central America is of an African extract is rasict scholastics. For Native American accross the Americas range in looks, color, and religion.

The reason why African Americans are disliked is the fact that they want the same treatment as whites; however, Native Americans want to be treated like American Indians.

I hope I have enlightened you Maximus Ignorance.
lara

Alameda, CA

#32 Jun 30, 2007
Africanus maximus, why do you hate Native Americans so much? Are you projecting how you really feel inside because you are of African Descent? Does it really matter where scientist think native americans came from? I am not saying that Africans are genetically superior only physcially, not intellectually or spiritually. And I know that the majority of races and cultures do not except them, maybe they do not appreciate the physical appearance of the african that is why you need to learn about your own culture and history before slavery and maybe you will find yourself. Maybe take a trip to your mother country Africa and learn about some of the cultures and traditions of those tribes and dont worry about the Cherokee.
Walter Morales

United States

#33 Jul 1, 2007
"We know that our people have been part of this land since the beginning of time," said Armand Minthorn, a Umatilla religious leader, in a statement. "Scientists believe that because [Kennewick Man's] head measurement does not match ours, he is not Native American. Our elders have told us that Indian people did not always look the way we do today."

Africanus Maximus choses to believe the lies of the established migrations of the Americas and accepts his people and all people are related to monkeys; how absurd.

Every culture in the United States seperate themselves, including African Americans.

All human beings share silmilarities. For example Europeans and Africans, also, have slanted eyes, who do not have Asian ancestry.

We have oral stories that speak of Giants living among us; later called Dinosaurs. There is even petrogligh drawings throughtout the Americas. Take for example Black Dragon Canyon in New Mexico. Look it up for yourself, and ask yourself, whether African people are as ancient as Native Americans.
beedieeyez

Forest Hills, NY

#34 Jul 2, 2007
Nice argument fellas.

Native americans did indeed come from Asia. Also there is proof that peoples from Australia were in the Americas long before they got here...there ancestors are still in Tierra del Fuego Brazil. And by the way has anyone here heard of the Afro-Olmecs (the predecessors to the Aztecs. And my friends the term "hispanics and blacks" is meaningless. Hispanic refers to many ethnic groups - black is a reference to a race. Are there not millions of black hispanics?

And for anyone that would dare to question the black race .. pick up a bible, research the pyramids, research the history of India (the Harrapan people were africans), check out the Olmec heads - these are all African things

Dont fall victim to Euro divide and conquer ...the historical views of the conqueror cannot be trusted
Walter Morales

United States

#36 Jul 2, 2007
As a Pocomam Maya, I am amazed on how people believe everthing they hear or read. According to our Mayan written records, there was never an African connection, only a Chinese.

The Land bridge theory is bad-science versus truth.

Mayan feautures vary. For example I have broad lips, yet, I do not have kinky hair, broad nose, and African ancestry. The Olmec heads represent the varied features of our Native American nations. Mayans can olive to very dark.

It is odd that the first amendment - originally created to keep Christians from killing each other, was later used to suppress Native American religions and culture. This amendment was designed not to show any favoritism for, or against any faith, but it did not include the rights of indigenous peoples. After the "Indian Wars" and all the Native Americans were "pacified", their languages, culture and religious belief system along with all oral traditions were suppressed under the threat of actual physical punishment and "outlawed". Kinda odd, huh?, from people who came to this country not over 300 years prior to seek religious tolerance and the riches of the new world. I guess this is the cruel and misdirected side of "Christianity".

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