OG&E smart meter is BAD for your health!
ThomasA

Wattsville, AL

#226 Apr 20, 2012
smart_okie wrote:
Aber - doing some background research with my team. You are right - not a lot of people understand the whole picture of SMART meters. I am all for informed consent. If they are okay with the intrusion on privacy, giving away their property rights and personal information, and subjecting themselves involuntarily to RF - that is fine with me. I just believe that they should have the right of informed consent.
I have met with my legal team and they are putting together briefs concerning property and privacy rights. The next step will be either a petition or a class-action lawsuit. Perhaps both.
You are right - organization and mobilization is the key. I have never talked to anyone about OG&E's implementation of SMART meters without them being shocked, and then angry.
BTW - there is more going on here from a business perspective than simple meter reading. There are some rumors that the utilities are planning some big changes in their business model.
You are doing the public a favor. In a world full of depressing news,you're giving folks something to laugh about! Do heed the warning and wear your tin foil hat to block those brain re-programming waves from the space satelites.
LMAO

Muskogee, OK

#227 Apr 20, 2012
smart_okie wrote:
You are right - organization and mobilization is the key. I have never talked to anyone about OG&E's implementation of SMART meters without them being shocked, and then angry.
BTW - there is more going on here from a business perspective than simple meter reading. There are some rumors that the utilities are planning some big changes in their business model.
Your whole arguement never had any credible truth to it, but it dang sure doesn't now! As you put it "there are some rumors"......see smart okie when one basis his arguement on rumors NO ONE tends to believe you!!!!

You haven't talked to anyone without them getting mad because stuffed animals in your apartment usually don't talk back, just listen
aber

Oklahoma City, OK

#228 Apr 20, 2012
Smart_Okie. I would like to join you in your fight. How can I do that?
I'd also like to get away from the silly,childish comments of LMAO and ThomasA.
smart_okie

Yukon, OK

#229 Apr 20, 2012
LMAO and ThomasA - You are too foolish to bother with. You appear to have lost the thread of the conversation long ago. You have yet to bring up any arguments about the value of SMART meters to consumers or why the general public should support the technology. All you have offered is snide comments about those that question the technology, the deployment or the legality. I understand why this is of interest to the utility companies, I just believe that they have overstepped.

Aber - I think I have seen you another forum - I will see if we can get in touch soon. Perhaps the moderator (who I know) can help us exchange information so we can work together. I would look forward to it.
LMAO

Muskogee, OK

#230 Apr 20, 2012
Y'all were made for each other. Enjoy!
ThomasA

Wattsville, AL

#231 Apr 20, 2012
smart_okie wrote:
LMAO and ThomasA - You are too foolish to bother with. You appear to have lost the thread of the conversation long ago. You have yet to bring up any arguments about the value of SMART meters to consumers or why the general public should support the technology. All you have offered is snide comments about those that question the technology, the deployment or the legality. I understand why this is of interest to the utility companies, I just believe that they have overstepped.
Aber - I think I have seen you another forum - I will see if we can get in touch soon. Perhaps the moderator (who I know) can help us exchange information so we can work together. I would look forward to it.
Reality VS. day dreaming or in other words: Much ado about nothing! By the way, did you check under the bed?
aber

United States

#232 Apr 21, 2012
Thanks smart okie.... Sen. Rand Paul, Kentucky Republican, pointed out in a heated congressional hearing last week, the left is fundamentally anti-choice. Despite the decades of rhetoric about “keeping government out of the bedroom,” the left wants Uncle Sam in every wall socket. It wants to deny you the ability to choose lighting, toilets, washing machines and dishwashers that work. Now they want to restrict even the ability to use these diminished devices. It’s time to pull the plug on mandatory smart meters.(more copy and past from Washington Times) Smart meters also give the highly regulated utilities the ability to adjust and restrict the flow of electricity to customers. Some residents are wary that the ability to measure their energy consumption could be used to create a profile of their activities. Patterns of garage door opening, for example, could indicate when a home is empty and unprotected from burglary. In California and Texas, other consumers have seen their electric bills rise rather than fall after smart meter installation, belying the promise of savings. Energy audits have discovered some meters are defective, leaving utilities red-faced and offering refunds. The California Public Utilities Commission on March 10 ordered PG&E to come up with ways for customers to opt out of the meters and Maine’s Office of the Public Advocate on Tuesday chastised Central Maine Power for “bullying and intimidating” customers who don’t want the devices.

On the one hand, the administration is agitated over “cybersecurity.” On the other, it is creating a network that would allow malefactors to shut down air conditioners in the midst of a scorching summer day. Those malefactors might even work for the government.”
LMAO

Muskogee, OK

#233 Apr 21, 2012
aber wrote:
Thanks smart okie.... Sen. Rand Paul, Kentucky Republican, pointed out in a heated congressional hearing last week, the left is fundamentally anti-choice. Despite the decades of rhetoric about “keeping government out of the bedroom,” the left wants Uncle Sam in every wall socket. It wants to deny you the ability to choose lighting, toilets, washing machines and dishwashers that work. Now they want to restrict even the ability to use these diminished devices. It’s time to pull the plug on mandatory smart meters.(more copy and past from Washington Times) Smart meters also give the highly regulated utilities the ability to adjust and restrict the flow of electricity to customers. Some residents are wary that the ability to measure their energy consumption could be used to create a profile of their activities. Patterns of garage door opening, for example, could indicate when a home is empty and unprotected from burglary. In California and Texas, other consumers have seen their electric bills rise rather than fall after smart meter installation, belying the promise of savings. Energy audits have discovered some meters are defective, leaving utilities red-faced and offering refunds. The California Public Utilities Commission on March 10 ordered PG&E to come up with ways for customers to opt out of the meters and Maine’s Office of the Public Advocate on Tuesday chastised Central Maine Power for “bullying and intimidating” customers who don’t want the devices.
On the one hand, the administration is agitated over “cybersecurity.” On the other, it is creating a network that would allow malefactors to shut down air conditioners in the midst of a scorching summer day. Those malefactors might even work for the government.”
WOW...... Please continue your day job AND DON'T go into politics!

Thomas, their helmets need tweaked a little....the signal isn't getting thru!
aber

United States

#234 Apr 21, 2012
Good idea! politics!
Ya’ll are just so much fun.
Ya’ll with the cell phone on your head and the lap top on your lap and a smart meter on your house and chips in your appliances..
You poor radiated, magnetized rats, have a good time while you can. As for me, I think I have to stay away from here. Childishness and silliness is contagious and I have a campaign to run.
ThomasA

Wattsville, AL

#235 Apr 21, 2012
aber wrote:
On the one hand, the administration is agitated over “cybersecurity.” On the other, it is creating a network that would allow malefactors to shut down air conditioners in the midst of a scorching summer day. Those malefactors might even work for the government.”
Bottom line: We have to either increase capacity or decrease the load. We've dammed all the rivers we can. Solar is good for light applications IF the sun is shining but will not carry heavy sustained industrial loads. Wind generation is good IF you are in certain parts of the mid-west or coastal areas that have 24/7/365 winds. The line losses make extra long transmission inefficient. There are problems with bird kills when they fly through heavy concentrations of windmills. Also the problem of blade roar and resonation near populated areas don't make them a good neighbors. Fossil fuel and nuke generation bring out the treehuggers and crazies when anyone talks about building new plants. If you really like air conditioners,elevators,and electrical items in general,how about working WITH the utilities to do something POSITIVE to wean the public and the next generation off the habit of wasting electricity or expect future rolling blackouts as the country has to share the power.

Since: Feb 11

Oklahoma City, OK

#236 Apr 22, 2012
I was in S. Florida recently for 2-1/2 years because of my career. The place I lived at had a device that would turn off the air conditioning during peak hours which often times were the hottest. I found this most annoying.
Is this the same as what you all are discussing?
ThomasA

Wattsville, AL

#237 Apr 22, 2012
OctoberKay wrote:
I was in S. Florida recently for 2-1/2 years because of my career. The place I lived at had a device that would turn off the air conditioning during peak hours which often times were the hottest. I found this most annoying.
Is this the same as what you all are discussing?
That's a different program that you sign up for that cuts your water heater and air conditioner off during peak demand hours. There was some rate enticement to go along with that too. Around here they cut off water heaters during peak morning hours to reduce demand as your water heater used the water it heated during the night. Air conditioning was cut off during periods during the day because you were at work anyway but came back on in the evening. Different power companies had many programs and incentives going.
LMAO

Muskogee, OK

#238 Apr 22, 2012
ThomasA wrote:
<quoted text> That's a different program that you sign up for that cuts your water heater and air conditioner off during peak demand hours. There was some rate enticement to go along with that too. Around here they cut off water heaters during peak morning hours to reduce demand as your water heater used the water it heated during the night. Air conditioning was cut off during periods during the day because you were at work anyway but came back on in the evening. Different power companies had many programs and incentives going.
What people aren't understanding is that as a whole, we are using MORE AND MORE electricity. Smart meters are a TOOL to help lesson the usage by the customer. It takes YEARS, and I mean YEARS just for the paperwork for building a power plant, much less building one. If it was easy and the current administration would police the EPA(which doesn't have to answer to ANYONE) power plants could effectively and safely produce more megawatts.

Since: Feb 11

Oklahoma City, OK

#239 Apr 22, 2012
ThomasA wrote:
<quoted text> That's a different program that you sign up for that cuts your water heater and air conditioner off during peak demand hours. There was some rate enticement to go along with that too. Around here they cut off water heaters during peak morning hours to reduce demand as your water heater used the water it heated during the night. Air conditioning was cut off during periods during the day because you were at work anyway but came back on in the evening. Different power companies had many programs and incentives going.
Thank you for the very informative reply.
smart_okie

Yukon, OK

#240 Apr 22, 2012
Okay - finally some decent discussion!

LMAO and ThomasA - I can actually agree with some things that you have said now that you are talking technology and not just throwing out insults.

I am extremely energy conscious and efficient. It is one of my passions. I do believe that we can do a great deal more to conserve energy than we do. However, I do have some issues with SMART meters:

(1) SMART meters DO NOT save electricity. They just provide an incentive for you to move your energy use around.
(2) For the same amount that was spent putting in SMART meters,(nearly $300 million dollars) NOT one dollar went to increasing efficiency, like equipping homes with GEO-thermal.
(3) Thirty thousand homes could have been equipped with GEO which would have saved $3.5 BILLION dollars in electricity over 10 years.
(4) There is technology available that helps utilities to "store" energy during off-peak times for use during "peak" times. Nuclear power plants use huge inertial mass "batteries" that are very efficient. NOT ONE DOLLAR was spent for energy storage.
(5) If you look at the rates suggested by the OG&E program, you will see rates from 4.3 cents per k-w hour to 43 cents per k-w hour. They calculate the costs based upon their production costs and demand - so if it is a calm, hot, day, the energy costs would be 3.5x normal. That is when we need electricity the most!

So - if you really want to save electricity and not just increase and protect the profit of the utility companies, work on REAL energy savings, like GEO... or other high efficiency HVAC. Don't just tell me that I have to sacrifice my privacy, safety and comfort.

I personally don't have a huge issue with charging different amounts for peak energy use - but what I do object to is the highly intrusive monitoring methods chosen by OG&E. They have peak-time between 2 and 7pm weekdays. The rest of the time is off-peak. Since there are only two different rates and two times per day, why do they insist on monitoring my electrical usage minute-by-minute?

It is dangerous, intrusive and not secure.

All I ask is that they program their meters so that they receive a dump once per month, and that the resolution of the data is no more than every twice per day - once for peak and once for off-peak - to protect privacy.

Current data collection allows OG&E to know way too much about your personal activities - how often you get up in the night, if there is someone at home during the day - if you are on vacation. What time you get up in the morning and what time you go to bed.

OG&E is actually providing a NON-INCENTIVE to people to use set-back or vacation features for fear of being burglarized. That needs to addressed.

In Oklahoma, we have a right to privacy and our home security. The only data that is secure is data that is not gathered.
smart_okie

Yukon, OK

#241 Apr 22, 2012
I think that we need a multi-tier approach to the problem.

(1) Conservation through use of better HVAC units
(2) "Cash for Clunkers" programs that effectively decreases the cost of new, efficient units... lots of ways to do this that are cost effective
(3) Use of 100MW+ storage containment vessels, which are a current known technology that DO NOT require regulation by the EPA as they DO NOT consume electricity
(4) Administrations that will promote the development of inexpensive energy plants rather than try to kill our economy through red tape

It is clear to me that SMART meters was simply a ploy to decrease the operating costs of utilities, but there is very little real energy savings. Education is good. Efficiency is good. But neither replace the value of capital infrastructure both on the homeowner/business side and the electrical generation side.

Lets work together to solve this problem!
smart_okie

Yukon, OK

#242 Apr 23, 2012
If Peak Energy use is the problem OG&E is trying to solve, why not solar? Capital costs have dropped dramatically over the past couple of years, and the demand and production profile match very well in Oklahoma.

In other words, we use the most electricity when the sun is shining, and that is when Solar produces the most electricity.

And - some quick calculations???? For $300 million, OG&E could have built a 150 million watt plant that would easily supply peak power.

Again - SMART meters just monitor and make it really expensive to use electricity when YOU want to use it. i.e. when it's hot outside. There is nothing magic, no energy production and no energy savings.

The only problem SMART meters solve is it reduces the cost to read meters and allows OG&E to charge you LOTS of money when its hot and you are trying to keep your house cool.

And of course, they want to put every home under surveillance. Something doesn't make sense.
LMAO

Muskogee, OK

#243 Apr 23, 2012
I don't think 300 million would put a dent in a new power plant. Just alone, overhauls on existing units are a pretty good percentage of that. Considering it was going to be OVER a billion dollars for 5 scrubber units for existing coal burners.

Smart okie do you know anything about "next day market"? When we go to that, nothing is certain.

When a utility doesn't have enough power for their customers, they have to buy it from other companies. This is cheap. OGE does have the option to "buy" power(which they do) or to buy existing power plants(which they have done). In all reality if you look at the big picture, OGE is trying to save you money, lesson the peak demand, educate the user and save money themselves.

Southwest Power Administration. Do some googling on them
LMAO

Muskogee, OK

#244 Apr 23, 2012
Sorry, my comment was supposed to say that when they buy power from other utilities, IT ISN'T CHEAP!
smart_okie

Yukon, OK

#245 Apr 23, 2012
That is my point exactly. The issue that is being raised is PEAK energy use, which is primarily driven by A/C use during the summer months.

Solar has a great generation profile for peak A/C - You need A/C when it is hot and sunny and that is when solar generates the most power.

$300 million won't put a dent in a huge Fossil Fuel plant for sure - but it would go quite a long way for Solar. Like any alternative energy production, solar doesn't solve all problems, but it does a pretty good job on peak electricity use. How much has OG&E invested in Wind? And the energy profile isn't nearly as favorable.

So - back to the original question. Since OG&E's price plan contains only two bands, why do they collect my use information minute-by-minute? That is intrusive and threatens every homeowner's privacy and security. I can see being able to "turn it on" for a couple of days to gather information, but to have it always on and no way to turn it off?

That is not acceptable.

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