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lake hefner breeze

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The OG&E Smart Meter is currently being installed throughout OKC after initial testing in Norman. It has come to my attention that there are many issues about these meters that are causing deep concern in other states. This includes health problems, fire hazards, privacy rights, price increases, inadequate security and more. Personally, I am concerned about the microwave radiation that they broadcast into and around the home and the negative impact it can have on my family, friends, and pets. I have researched this and believe it can be detrimental.

Most people will be more interested in the price increases you are going to experience through "peak hour usage" as you are "monitored" by the smartgrid. But since it's all under the guise of a green initiative you won't mind paying more, right? Not that it matters what you think because as it stands now OG&E says this is mandatory with no "opt out" available. After all, this is a nationwide multi-billion dollar taxpayer funded program, so you're getting it whether you like it or not. I don't. And surely neither do all the soon to be laid off meter readers, but OG&E doesn't care about them.

The only way to actually reduce your bill with the smart meter is to change the times in which you use electricity the most, i.e. away from peak usage hours. So you better hope you don't have to do something drastic like turn on the heat during these times because you will be forced to pay a premium rate. Maybe just put on a sweater instead! I guess it really is a smart meter, training a human that way.

For the reasons I've stated I will refuse to allow this meter to be placed on my home.

I do realize we are all bathed in wireless RF constantly from wi-fi, cell towers, radio, tv, etc. However, I choose to limit my exposure by not having wi-fi, using a landline phone not cordless, only using a cell phone occasionally, and not having any other wireless devices apart from a tv remote. I don't say this to sound superior, it's just what works for me. That said, I am not a Luddite, I really do enjoy new technology, when it's proven safe and truly beneficial.

Keep the tinfoil hat jokes to yourself.

Get educated before this happens to you:

http://stopsmartmeters.wordpress.com/

MIT graduate explains the dark side of smart meters
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Skyrocketing Utility Bills after smart meter installation (3 minutes, 19 seconds)
http://www.bakersfieldnow.com/news/6...html...

Insurance Companies Won't Insure Wireless Device Health Risks (3 minutes, 13 seconds)
http://eon3emfblog.net/...

Microwave radiation dangers in our home (6 minutes, 20 seconds)
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Truth about Smart Meters - Dr. Karl Maret, MD, Biomedical Engineer
(Dr. Maret's presentation begins at 23:40 on the video telecast).
http://www.communitytv.org/programs/...t-smar...

Radiation Measured From Smart Meter Mounted On A Home (6 minutes, 21 seconds)
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Wounded by Wireless Smart Meters (14 minutes, 19 seconds)
http://eon3emfblog.net/... .

Top Wireless Radiation scientists in the world reporting at the Commonwealth Club in San Francisco Nov 18, 2010: cell damage, DNA breaks, blood/brain barrier breaches.
http://electromagnetichealth.org/ele...blog/c...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precautionary_pr...
Okie Nate

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Move the meter base and meter off the house. Make OGE place that meter on the easement with one of their poles. Underground service.
lake hefner breeze

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Okie Nate wrote:
Move the meter base and meter off the house. Make OGE place that meter on the easement with one of their poles. Underground service.
Great idea, Nate. However, this will not be a solution for many people who live in apartments or in neighborhoods with small homes placed close together. Some apt. buildings have rows of meters on one wall (better hope it's not yours) and the broadcast radius of these "smart" meters can be very high, causing overlap of the signals into your home even if you have moved your meter.

Best case is for people to call OGE and demand to be allowed to OPT OUT of the smart meter.
TAMARA

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Feb 28, 2011
 
lake hefner breeze wrote:
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Great idea, Nate. However, this will not be a solution for many people who live in apartments or in neighborhoods with small homes placed close together. Some apt. buildings have rows of meters on one wall (better hope it's not yours) and the broadcast radius of these "smart" meters can be very high, causing overlap of the signals into your home even if you have moved your meter.
Best case is for people to call OGE and demand to be allowed to OPT OUT of the smart meter.
Do you have one of these smart meters? I have also heard that people with this meters their electric bill went up alot. Can you opt out of having a Smart meter put on? I can read my own meter and send it in to OG&E and they could check meter reading every 6 months.
Voice of Reason

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Breeze:
I would encourage you to examine all the facts. Attached is a link to a study done by the California Council on Science and Technology. They studied the very issue and found no identifiable threat. Keep in mind this is CALIFORNIA doing the study. So, I'm sure they came at it from a biased perspective...and, still, found no threat.

Also, these meters transmit in the 900mHz spectrum, which is where baby monitors, cordless phones and other devices transmit. This isn't microwave.

http://ccst.us/news/2011/20110111smart.php

As for higher bills, looks like their customers are saving money, and the company has guaranteed savings of $22 mill. Found the news on their website.
lake hefner breeze

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Voice of Reason wrote:
Breeze:
I would encourage you to examine all the facts. Attached is a link to a study done by the California Council on Science and Technology. They studied the very issue and found no identifiable threat. Keep in mind this is CALIFORNIA doing the study. So, I'm sure they came at it from a biased perspective...and, still, found no threat.
Also, these meters transmit in the 900mHz spectrum, which is where baby monitors, cordless phones and other devices transmit. This isn't microwave.
http://ccst.us/news/2011/20110111smart.php
As for higher bills, looks like their customers are saving money, and the company has guaranteed savings of $22 mill. Found the news on their website.
Voice of reason is mistaken. Look at any of the links provided in my orig. post and really read or listen. Otherwise, you are drinkin' their kool-aid. Some transmit in the 2800 mHz range and have 3 antennae. Yikes.
Orinshade

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I am sorry Breeze but your facts are just a little skewed . I have worked with these meters. They broadcast by radio, just like your cell phone and Wi-Fi router. Microwaves are not even in the equation. As for peoples bills going up. This is partially due to the fact that the old Dial meters tend to slow down over time. So if anything customers have been getting a discount due to old technology for years.
Most customers have saved money with the new smart meters, and as for turning heater on and getting charged a higher rate. That is affected by the rate plan that has a Peak Time, and so far those Studies have only been conducted during the summer. So unless you are turning your heater on in 80-90 degree weather this really is not an issue.
lake hefner breeze

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Orinshade wrote:
I am sorry Breeze but your facts are just a little skewed . I have worked with these meters. They broadcast by radio, just like your cell phone and Wi-Fi router. Microwaves are not even in the equation. As for peoples bills going up. This is partially due to the fact that the old Dial meters tend to slow down over time. So if anything customers have been getting a discount due to old technology for years.
Most customers have saved money with the new smart meters, and as for turning heater on and getting charged a higher rate. That is affected by the rate plan that has a Peak Time, and so far those Studies have only been conducted during the summer. So unless you are turning your heater on in 80-90 degree weather this really is not an issue.
Orinshade, these are all LIES that are being spread by people just like you who work for the power companies. The blood of every man, woman, child, and pet harmed by these meters will be on your soul, and those of your kind. Repent now. God knows the truth.
Okie Physicist

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Orinshade is right...Smart Meters use Wi-fi router technology. A sun burn is more dangerous than these smart meters, and yes your bill will go up some because the old meters are mechanical and slow down over time. Personally, I would be more concerned with air pollution from combustion engines than these Smart Meters. You always have a choice of not living with electricity.
Okie Physicist

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The Substations are what is dangerous, but nobody seems to care about that...

If you have children and live within a 1/2 mile radius of a Substation...MOVE NOW!

You have a much higher risk of cancer if you live near one of these Substations.
Sooner Doc

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There is plenty of medical evidence that frequencies produced by wireless devices can cause health problems. We all have a right to safe electricity. Call OGE and demand to be able to OPT OUT of the smart meter installation! Your health is at stake.
Okie Physicist

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Sooner Doc wrote:
There is plenty of medical evidence that frequencies produced by wireless devices can cause health problems. We all have a right to safe electricity. Call OGE and demand to be able to OPT OUT of the smart meter installation! Your health is at stake.
Ridiculous, there is ZERO evidence of electromagnetic frequencies causes health problems. Earth has the strongest electromagnetic waves on the planet to deflect harmful space radiation. Are humans dying after 2 million years? No, you have the right to refuse electricity. Electricity is not a RIGHT! You will have the right "opt" out...you either have electricity or you don't...your choice.
Stop using ur cell phone and then come talk.
this is interesting

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i need to look into this.
Ann

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This is from the web site:
http://nosmartmeters.blogspot.com/2011/03/pro...

"smart metering will turn every single appliance into the equivalent of a transmitting cell phone, and this at a time when public concern about the safety of exposure to the radio frequency radiation (RF) of wireless technologies is on the rise.

Heads up: that’s every dishwasher, microwave oven, stove, washing machine, clothes dryer, air conditioner, furnace, refrigerator, freezer, coffee maker, TV, computer, printer, and fax machine.

Meanwhile, people who don’t want to use such appliances won't be able to deactivate the wireless component without disabling it and voiding warranties. Citing “electricity theft,” it could also be illegal to do so."

The World Health Organization has declared the radiofrequency electromagnetic fields emitted by cell phones to be "possibly carcinogenic to humans" based on an increased risk of glioma in heavy users.

The utility company is installing this harmful appliance and not informing us about it.

No one I have talked to in Oklahoma has ever heard of a smart meter.

I'm happy to have found this site.

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Quote "a sun burn [sic] is more dangerous than these smart meters..."

- A single-event sunburn is NOT more dangerous than 10 years of living 3 ft. away from a cluster of 16 (or more) "smart" i.e. TRANSMITTING meters on the other side of an apartment wall. Gee, I guess you didn't *THINK* of that.

Quote "Earth has the strongest electromagnetic waves on the planet to deflect harmful space radiation."

- It's not "waves" it's a field - and the field is not vibrating at 1ghz, 4ghz, 10ghz etc. LIKE CELL PHONES AND "SMART" METERS ARE.

Quote "Are humans dying after 2 million years?"

- Irrelevant, exaggerated, deflecting (poor attempt) statement.

Quote "you will have the right [sic] "opt" out.."

- No one has been given the "right" to opt-out of a smart meter cluster of 16 “smart” meters transmitting almost constantly right on the other side of their apartment wall when they can't afford to move. Even if they did move, someone ELSE would be exposed to harmful cumulative levels of radiation.

Quote "Stop using ur [sic] cell phone and then come talk."

- The pronunciation of "UR" is ambiguous. Ever hear of UR-uguay?- a country located in South America? People who use "UR" on blogs are just plain lazy.

Quote "Stop using ur [sic] cell phone and then come talk."

- Yes, a person can turn their cell phone off. No one can turn off the “smart” i.e. TRANSMITTING WIRELESS meters off. Especially if you're on the other side of the wall of a cluster of "smart" i.e. TRANSMITTING meters.

The whole "smart" i.e. transmitting meter concept was a secretive, under-the-table, keep the “wireless” aspect quiet, best-case design not a worst-case design and THAT makes it dangerous.

Quote "Physicist"

Cough.
Okie Physicst

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"- A single-event sunburn is NOT more dangerous than 10 years of living 3 ft. away from a cluster of 16 (or more) "smart" i.e. TRANSMITTING meters on the other side of an apartment wall. Gee, I guess you didn't *THINK* of that."

No one is making you live there...still no evidence it is harmful.

"- It's not "waves" it's a field - and the field is not vibrating at 1ghz, 4ghz, 10ghz etc. LIKE CELL PHONES AND "SMART" METERS ARE."

You are playing semantics here. Electromagnetic fields are "waves/packets" of photons. Hertz is a SI unit to define cycles per second...nothing to do with the intensity of the "field."

"Irrelevant, exaggerated, deflecting (poor attempt) statement."

Is it? Life is still alive after 3 billion years of evolution under the strongest electromagnetic "field" known to Earth.

"The pronunciation of "UR" is ambiguous. Ever hear of UR-uguay?- a country located in South America? People who use "UR" on blogs are just plain lazy."

I'll make sure I use " you are" from now on since we are in Topix English Composition One now.

"- Yes, a person can turn their cell phone off. No one can turn off the “smart” i.e. TRANSMITTING WIRELESS meters off. Especially if you're on the other side of the wall of a cluster of "smart" i.e. TRANSMITTING meters."

Call OGE and have them pull the meter off your meter base, or MOVE away from the meters if "you are" scared.

"The whole "smart" i.e. transmitting meter concept was a secretive, under-the-table, keep the “wireless” aspect quiet, best-case design not a worst-case design and THAT makes it dangerous."

Wireless concept has been around since the discovery of Quantum Mechanics in 1925, and automated meters are 20 years old. Nothing new or secret about the technology.

You might want to turn your head and have the Doctor grab your nuts while you "cough."

SeniorEE...you are old and scared of change.
Okie Physicist

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Okie Physicst wrote:
"- A single-event sunburn is NOT more dangerous than 10 years of living 3 ft. away from a cluster of 16 (or more) "smart" i.e. TRANSMITTING meters on the other side of an apartment wall. Gee, I guess you didn't *THINK* of that."
No one is making you live there...still no evidence it is harmful.
"- It's not "waves" it's a field - and the field is not vibrating at 1ghz, 4ghz, 10ghz etc. LIKE CELL PHONES AND "SMART" METERS ARE."
You are playing semantics here. Electromagnetic fields are "waves/packets" of electrons. Hertz is a SI unit to define cycles per second...nothing to do with the intensity of the "field."
"Irrelevant, exaggerated, deflecting (poor attempt) statement."
Is it? Life is still alive after 3 billion years of evolution under the strongest electromagnetic "field" known to Earth.
"The pronunciation of "UR" is ambiguous. Ever hear of UR-uguay?- a country located in South America? People who use "UR" on blogs are just plain lazy."
I'll make sure I use " you are" from now on since we are in Topix English Composition One now.
"- Yes, a person can turn their cell phone off. No one can turn off the “smart” i.e. TRANSMITTING WIRELESS meters off. Especially if you're on the other side of the wall of a cluster of "smart" i.e. TRANSMITTING meters."
Call OGE and have them pull the meter off your meter base, or MOVE away from the meters if "you are" scared.
"The whole "smart" i.e. transmitting meter concept was a secretive, under-the-table, keep the “wireless” aspect quiet, best-case design not a worst-case design and THAT makes it dangerous."
Wireless concept has been around since the discovery of Quantum Mechanics in 1925, and automated meters are 20 years old. Nothing new or secret about the technology.
You might want to turn your head and have the Doctor grab your nuts while you "cough."
SeniorEE...you are old and scared of change.
Revised...after a few sloshes of Russian Tea
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To all the toads that have a problem with the utility system as is. Can you generate your own power at the same rate you are paying now? Do you have 24HR repair service when your power goes out and the line crew leaves their warm house to repair the ingrate's power because the ingrate bitched,moaned, and complained about trimming trees. Now that HIS power is out,it's ok to trim. Does the press give attention to high utility bills for filler stories when the problem is really poor insulation,broken windows,and air leaks that could have been found with professional energy audits. Come on people, the costs to get power to your house have gone up just like the cigarettes,gasolene, beer,CD's,electronic toys, bass boats, ATV'S, jack-em-up trucks , and recreational pharmaceuticals that you hold so near and dear to your heart.Seal out the drafts, turn down the thermostat,and insulate. Don't complain about the smell if you're not willing to step out of the bucket of $hi7 !
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Okie Physicist wrote:
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Revised...after a few sloshes of Russian Tea
Okie Physicist needs a course in cell biology, microbiology and human physiology and maybe then he'd get it.
Or Okie Physicist should just kick back and watch some more Fox 5 and stop calling people old and afraid of change.
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You can't tell me the newer so called smart meters are not clocked different as my eletric bill went up by 30% after the newer smart meters was installed recently. The only thing the electric company says is that older meters slowed down over time and that is a big bunch of crap and if you asked me our tax dollars are being used for a form of a rate hike for the use of these RIPP OFF meters.

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