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Ogden court to make decision on contoversial gang plan

There are 54 comments on the Fox13Now story from Sep 27, 2010, titled Ogden court to make decision on contoversial gang plan. In it, Fox13Now reports that:

A court hearing is now resuming in Ogden on a controversial plan that may serve alleged gang members restraining orders to prevent them from associating with each other.

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maxnewbold

Salt Lake City, UT

#42 Sep 29, 2010
Too Late For Diplomacy wrote:
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Racial profiling HAH! If it looks like a punk, and walks like a punk, its a punk. Put all of em away. They are not good for anything else anyway.

I'm sick of people thinking that simply being a punk or thug is illegal in itself. People need to grow up and realize you cant pre-emtively stop crime. A crime isn't a crime UNTILL its committed. The government in no way has any right to tell you who you can associate with and what time you should be home. Everyone that played a part in this complete obstruction of liberty should be locked up,Including the judge for blatant ignorance of the constitution.
Jamie

Brownstown, IL

#43 Sep 29, 2010
I think its awesome! Anything that can try or attempt to keep regular ppl and their kids safe I say try it! As for the ppl who don't like it, wait until ur family or even urself is victimized u will b screaming for help too. These men and woman who do not like the restraining orders obviously have been violent or caught selling drugs multiple times. They lost their rights to live a normal and happy life when they took others rights away violently or hooked some kid on drugs, killed someone in a drive by..who cares about their rights anymore! We want to b safe from THEM!
Jen

Los Angeles, CA

#44 Sep 29, 2010
LA does it and it works!!!!!!!!!!
pope

Tucson, AZ

#45 Sep 29, 2010
Honorary Shady Oak Crip wrote:
THSI DOES VIOLATE FOR FREEDOM TO ASSOCIATE. WHILE I THINK PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE SAFETY, THEY R ALSO VIOLATING STUFF. KIDS AND PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GET OUT OF THE GANGS AND THE SCREWED UP JUSTICE SYSTEM WONT LET THEM. I AM A LALDY WHO HAS MANY FRIENDS IN GANGS. I WILL NOT KILL OR ROB, BUT IF I WAS WITH MY FRIEND AND SOMEONE WAS MESSING WITH THEM, BEST BELIEVE I WILL BEAT THAT PERSON. MESS WITH MY FAMILY AND FRIENDS, AND I WILL HURT YOU.
hmmmm... sounds like a few people I know that are all idiots... "kids and peopole trying to get out of gangs" listen...if you want out - then get out, Simple as that...
"ohh but they won't let me leave...." Bull$hit... get up and leave and dont go back.

"if i was with my friend and somone was messing with them best believe i will beat that person" Macho... ever think about walking away? Ever tell your friend - It's not worth getting into a fight with them, lets just go-? If somone is "messing with you" LEAVE (walk away) why put your self in the situation? and I bet if your friend was being messed with because they did somthing first you would still jump in.....

"I WILL NOT KILL OR ROB" no, but you'll let your friend do this and give you free crap to keep your mouth shut right?

let the Restraining orders take place... the gangs will be forced to move or break up.
it'll start with one gang.... next will be another restraning order for another gang..

GANG = gathering of beggars who formed a club for themselves to help get the attention they seek.
fed up resident

Salt Lake City, UT

#46 Oct 1, 2010
EX MEMBER wrote:
[WELL FIRST OFF THANK YOU FOR THE ATTENTION AND ADVERTISMENT THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN THEM COMPANY'S PAY MILLIONS AND IT WAS FREE FOR THE GANG CENTRO CITY LOCOS! IT WAS FREE AND FIRST OFF WE DEFEND OUR PEOPLE OF THIS CITY. WE HAVE NO ENEMY'S WITH LAW ABIDING CITIZEN'S WE HAVE FAMILIES TOO. WE WAS NOT BORN OF WEALTH AND WISHES OF THE RICHES. WE LOVE OUR CITY AND TO POINTED AND PUT DOWN TO LEAVE WAS JUST SHAME FULL. SOME OF THE OGDEN POLICE DEPARTMENT WAS ONCE MEMBER'S THEM SELVES SO REMEMBER THAT AND THEY HAVE TIES TO OUR MEMBERS. SO ENJOY ENFORCING YOUR LAW, WE NEVER DID **** WRONG TO OUR LAW ABIDING CITIZEN'S WHO WE LIVE AMONGST. SO I GUESS HERE WE COME SURRONDING CITIES TO SOCIALIZE CAUSE WE ARE A FAMILY THAT CAN NEVER BE RUINED.
That is such crap. I live in Ogden and have lived next to you proud members of Ogden and I can't tell you how happy I am about this injunction. Today I saw my neighbors served and it made me happier than you will ever know. The drugs, thefts, robberies, and other criminal activities take away from what could be a great city. You have ruined it and now we are fight back. Just so you know, it is not just trece but also the smaller gangs too that are being served. You are all going down and we will keep you out. Why in the world do you think that you have a right to essentially form a terrorist group?You are not proud of our country or you would abide by the laws.Don't you dare try and say that you defend our city. You polute it with your graffiti, presence, and only defend what you think is your territory. You don't own my home but claim it as your turf.I want back rent from you but will accept this injuction as a payment.Ogden is fighting back and just like with the spice ban, the other cities will follow suit. You will be arrested over and over again until you are finally locked up for good. I will gladly pay my tax dollars to have you locked up. I will not hesistate to support your lazy butt in jail because I know you are not out here trying to take what is not yours.
You say you have families but you choose not to be a good example to them. Your children are better off without you in their lives and being raised by other LAW ABIDING people. They are actually better being in the foster system than be forced to wear your flags and gang colors. It makes me sick to see your picnics and the 2 year old kids all dressed up just like their dad. How dare you do that to an innocent child. Enjoy bubba in prison because we will not stop till you are all subdued.
Too Late For Diplomacy

United States

#47 Oct 5, 2010
EX MEMBER wrote:
[WELL FIRST OFF THANK YOU FOR THE ATTENTION AND ADVERTISMENT THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN THEM COMPANY'S PAY MILLIONS AND IT WAS FREE FOR THE GANG CENTRO CITY LOCOS! IT WAS FREE AND FIRST OFF WE DEFEND OUR PEOPLE OF THIS CITY. WE HAVE NO ENEMY'S WITH LAW ABIDING CITIZEN'S WE HAVE FAMILIES TOO. WE WAS NOT BORN OF WEALTH AND WISHES OF THE RICHES. WE LOVE OUR CITY AND TO POINTED AND PUT DOWN TO LEAVE WAS JUST SHAME FULL. SOME OF THE OGDEN POLICE DEPARTMENT WAS ONCE MEMBER'S THEM SELVES SO REMEMBER THAT AND THEY HAVE TIES TO OUR MEMBERS. SO ENJOY ENFORCING YOUR LAW, WE NEVER DID **** WRONG TO OUR LAW ABIDING CITIZEN'S WHO WE LIVE AMONGST. SO I GUESS HERE WE COME SURRONDING CITIES TO SOCIALIZE CAUSE WE ARE A FAMILY THAT CAN NEVER BE RUINED.
Whatever ya freak. Trying to sound all articulate are we? "WE WAS NOT BORN OF WEALTH". You's was not born of brains either.
Too Late For Diplomacy

United States

#48 Oct 5, 2010
maxnewbold wrote:
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I'm sick of people thinking that simply being a punk or thug is illegal in itself. People need to grow up and realize you cant pre-emtively stop crime. A crime isn't a crime UNTILL its committed. The government in no way has any right to tell you who you can associate with and what time you should be home. Everyone that played a part in this complete obstruction of liberty should be locked up,Including the judge for blatant ignorance of the constitution.
I totally and completely disagree. I think the police should profile. So they can Pre-emptivley stop crime. People (or these punks) that draw the attention to themselves, should get it. The attention that is.
wibauxwoman

AOL

#49 Oct 5, 2010
hecha n tejas wrote:
i dont understand why everytime there is a situation in this country we are so quick to judge and assume that it is all about the illegals...get your heads out your a$$ and pay attention...Trece is not a gang of illegals as a matter of fact they were raised here in Ogden, majority of them are from the United States and their parents were raised here as well. I know that there is one other gang that is solely Mexican Nationals..deportation is not always the answer, standing up for our community and getting it situated sounds like a plan..now if you whole family is in a gang, well I guess its time to get with the program, grow up, raise your children to have pride in their race and not ashamed of all the judgements put upon us. Just because one hispanic chose that path does not necessarily mean that we are all that way...Remember Only God can Judge Us...
Maybe, if your parents were really born and raised here along with the gang members, they could have done a better job of raising their children. Most parents of gang members think it's cute and are proud that their children are gang members. Responsible parents raise their children to be law abiding citizens, not gangsters.
wibauxwoman

AOL

#50 Oct 5, 2010
Honorary Shady Oak Crip wrote:
THSI DOES VIOLATE FOR FREEDOM TO ASSOCIATE. WHILE I THINK PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE SAFETY, THEY R ALSO VIOLATING STUFF. KIDS AND PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GET OUT OF THE GANGS AND THE SCREWED UP JUSTICE SYSTEM WONT LET THEM. I AM A LALDY WHO HAS MANY FRIENDS IN GANGS. I WILL NOT KILL OR ROB, BUT IF I WAS WITH MY FRIEND AND SOMEONE WAS MESSING WITH THEM, BEST BELIEVE I WILL BEAT THAT PERSON. MESS WITH MY FAMILY AND FRIENDS, AND I WILL HURT YOU.
Guess your friends should have stayed out of the gangs. It waa their choice, nobody else's. Now they can pay the price. Why should the rest of us have to put up with the gang crap?
Matt Polk

United States

#51 Oct 8, 2010
I agree that this law is unconstitutional, but what these gang members fail to realize is that belonging to an organization dedicated to crime does not sit well with many people. Saying that Ogden gangs should be allowed to freely associate is like saying Neo-Nazis should be allowed to hold public rallies and NAMBLA should hold public meetings.
wibauxwoman

AOL

#52 Oct 8, 2010
Matt Polk wrote:
I agree that this law is unconstitutional, but what these gang members fail to realize is that belonging to an organization dedicated to crime does not sit well with many people. Saying that Ogden gangs should be allowed to freely associate is like saying Neo-Nazis should be allowed to hold public rallies and NAMBLA should hold public meetings.
Everyone keeps saying this law is unconstitutional. PLEASE tell me where and how it violates the Constitution.
Matt Polk

Salt Lake City, UT

#53 Oct 9, 2010
wibauxwoman wrote:
<quoted text>Everyone keeps saying this law is unconstitutional. PLEASE tell me where and how it violates the Constitution.
Wow. Really?*facepalm*

I would never expect most people to have memorized the Constitution, but it's part of the First Amendment! How are you not familiar with the Bill of Rights? In addition to freedom of speech and freedom of religion, the First Amendment guarantees freedom of association, or "the right of people to peaceably assemble." Just because gang members are the scum of the Earth, it does not allow the government to take away their rights on a whim.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_...
wibauxwoman

AOL

#54 Oct 10, 2010
Matt Polk wrote:
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Wow. Really?*facepalm*
I would never expect most people to have memorized the Constitution, but it's part of the First Amendment! How are you not familiar with the Bill of Rights? In addition to freedom of speech and freedom of religion, the First Amendment guarantees freedom of association, or "the right of people to peaceably assemble." Just because gang members are the scum of the Earth, it does not allow the government to take away their rights on a whim.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_...
But the gang members don't peacefully assemble. They gather in groups to intimidate people. They pick fights with other gangs, commit robberies, burglaries, and murder or maim people with their drive-by shootings, even totally innocent people. If they flash a gang sign and someone doesn't respond, even if the person isn't in a gang, then there's hell to pay. I don't think that's what the authors of the Constitution meant when they wrote the first ammendment. The gangs truely are a nuisence.
real truth

United States

#55 May 11, 2011
Make the time fit the crime, USA highest crime rate in the world, Iraq lowest. USA says its ok, Iraq shoots you in the face, or chops off appendages, stones, etc. I'm just saying

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