Teen defends black-faced, hanging scarecrows as Halloween art

Full story: TwinCities.com

An Oconto Falls teen who hung three black-faced scarecrows by their necks as a Halloween display says the mannequins aren't racist and he's not taking them down.
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Bill

Saint Paul, MN

#23 Oct 24, 2008
Delusional wrote:
It's fairly apperant that this display has more to it than just good Halloween enthusiasm.<quoted text>
How do you know? You must not be a big believer in the theory of innocent until proven guilty.
Lawrence of St Paul

Minneapolis, MN

#24 Oct 24, 2008
hbirch wrote:
<quoted text>The trouble with all this are people like you. It's for halloween good flippin grief get a real job and lighten up.
What Halloween are you referring to, because the one where people dressed up as the KKK and hung blacks occurred throughout the year, 365 days--and it wasn't to poke fun at witches, ghouls, or goblins.

There were no treats coming from any of the people dressed up like that.

Matter of fact, the people dressed up like were not doing it to celebrate a kid's holiday neither. THEY TOOK THEIR SIGNS, SLOGANS, ACTIONS, AND ATTIRE SERIOUSLY AND THEY WANTED OTHERS TO DO THE SAME.

So while you are mocking people like me, REMEMBER, YOU ARE ALSO MOCKING PEOPLE LIKE THAT, and they may decide to visit your door.

“Live Life with GUSTO!!!”

Since: Jun 08

St. Paul, MN

#25 Oct 24, 2008
Didn't anyone read the article? The kid's statement regarding how he hung the scarecrows etc. has some credibility but why the Confederate Flag hangs doesn't makes sense. Can't some one tell the kid that the Confederate conjures up various relative historical meanings? Three dark skin colored scarecrows are one thing, but, a Confederate flag hanging nearby can invoke and incite negative feelings etc. regarding civil rights and racial equality issues. Communication of concerned parties might just solve this problem.
Erik

Montgomery, AL

#26 Oct 24, 2008
I would have liked to have seen a picture in the article...

My .02...

This is such a non story. Is this guy an idiot seeking attention? Probably. Is it a racist display? Maybe. Does he have a right to display it? Definitely.

First of all the article states that the crows are hung with rope, not a noose. Fishing line would probably have worked too, but rope by itself does not constitute a noose unless it's fashioned in such a way.

Secondly, crows are black birds. I really don't automatically see the correlation between crows and black people; It's kind of a stretch.

Lastly, the confederate flag, the "southern cross", isn't necessarily racist per se. Not everybody that displays it is racist either. Did the KKK use it for their propaganda? Unfortunately they did, but that flag was around long before the Klan.

It's a halloween display. It's meant to be scary.

JTY

Since: Sep 08

Lincoln, NE

#27 Oct 24, 2008
Erik wrote:
I would have liked to have seen a picture in the article...
My .02...
This is such a non story. Is this guy an idiot seeking attention? Probably. Is it a racist display? Maybe. Does he have a right to display it? Definitely.
First of all the article states that the crows are hung with rope, not a noose. Fishing line would probably have worked too, but rope by itself does not constitute a noose unless it's fashioned in such a way.
Secondly, crows are black birds. I really don't automatically see the correlation between crows and black people; It's kind of a stretch.
Lastly, the confederate flag, the "southern cross", isn't necessarily racist per se. Not everybody that displays it is racist either. Did the KKK use it for their propaganda? Unfortunately they did, but that flag was around long before the Klan.
It's a halloween display. It's meant to be scary.
You can find it on some other new sites.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/2... :
Workaday Oakdale Brother

Minneapolis, MN

#28 Oct 24, 2008
Bill wrote:
Once again we are all about the 1st Amendment..unless it is white people using it to do something another race does not like.
How is there a First Amendment issue in this case? While state actors made negative comments about the display, no state action was taken against the display.
Black Robbers

Saint Paul, MN

#29 Oct 24, 2008
I've been mugged twice -- both times it was by black males who stcuk a gun in my face. The cops did nothing. Where is the justice for me?
Workaday Oakdale Brother

Minneapolis, MN

#30 Oct 24, 2008
Black Robbers wrote:
I've been mugged twice -- both times it was by black males who stcuk a gun in my face. The cops did nothing. Where is the justice for me?
At your local Smith & Wesson dealer (race issue notwithstanding)
Del Gue

Saint Paul, MN

#31 Oct 24, 2008
Twernt, Mormons!

“Live Life with GUSTO!!!”

Since: Jun 08

St. Paul, MN

#32 Oct 24, 2008
I just researched a few other news sites and photos around where the teenager lives. If the scarecrow faces were orange, this whole flap would be a none issue. I must admit the kid was within his 'freedom of speech/expression rights', but, he was ignorant or insensitive to what his 'black-face' scarecrows might mean to other folks. The same tenet holds true for the Confederate flag displayed. If it was displayed nearby the scarecrows then when taken in context might have negative connotations. The teenager seems grossly ignorant of the historical symbolism his display may represent.

However, I feel the poor kid's ignorance is representative of ethical, educational, and etiquette standards that society should have impressed on his intellect etc. Now the solution to this flap is for all parties concerned to sit down and civilly discuss their feelings and what makes them react to this display. Amazing what might come forth from this conference.
america me

Saint Paul, MN

#33 Oct 24, 2008
well, if it's attention he seeks, when a beat down happens, he's gonna get all the well deserved attention he wants.
Citizen Joe

Saint Paul, MN

#34 Oct 24, 2008
Black Robbers wrote:
I've been mugged twice -- both times it was by black males who stcuk a gun in my face. The cops did nothing. Where is the justice for me?
perhaps you shouldn't be buying your drugs in that neighborhood then.
Rebecca-moviephi le

Jackson, MS

#35 Oct 26, 2008
Robert wrote:
Nobody would have cared if he had chosen a different subject to hang. I wonder the reaction if he had hung mannequins made to look like Jesus and a couple of His disciples? He could have smeared them with feces and peed on them. That would never be considered religious bigotry, it would be freedome of expression. He would be defended all the way to the Supreme Court. I bet he'd get a grant from the NEA.
Frankly, from the description in the article I believe that it probably is a racist display and ought to be removed. A confederate flag but it's not racist? That's a tough sell. I just wish that religious bigotry in art wasn't tolerated, defended, and even applauded.
In one respect you are right. If the display only had "religious bigotry" in it, we never even would have heard about it. The ONLY reason we heard about it, is because it's ANTI BLACK. And apparently it's almost illegal now in this country to have those feelings.

But the minute someone starts "removing" art or expressions that they disagree with, you are removing my personal liberties.#1) who makes the decisions on what's offensive and should be "removed" I'm not offended by the display. You are. Why should your way be THE way. It's freedom for all, not freedom for some or freedom for the things that you or I personally approve of.
Rebecca-moviephi le

Jackson, MS

#36 Oct 26, 2008
america me wrote:
well, if it's attention he seeks, when a beat down happens, he's gonna get all the well deserved attention he wants.
Typical response from the black community. So he hung up some scarecrows that someone things are "blackface" so this 18 year old kid "deserves to get a beat down". React with violence to something you disagree with. What a suprise.

I looked at the photos, and the faces almost look more like giant chocolate chip cookies than anything.

Not to mention the fact that the last time I checked, this was america. Using intimidation is against the law, but freedom of speech and freedom of expression is NOT. As blacks love to bring up when they talk about how they were intimidated into not voting or voicing their own opinions, now they are trying use the same types of intimidation against whites to FORCE them to agree with their point of view. If the scarecrows were white and hung up in a black neighborhood, this never would have made the news. Why? Because white scarecrows are better? No, just because the biased media likes to give the false impression that only whites are racists.
Workaday Oakdale Brother

Saint Paul, MN

#37 Oct 26, 2008
Rebecca-moviephile wrote:
<quoted text>
In one respect you are right. If the display only had "religious bigotry" in it, we never even would have heard about it. The ONLY reason we heard about it, is because it's ANTI BLACK. And apparently it's almost illegal now in this country to have those feelings.
But the minute someone starts "removing" art or expressions that they disagree with, you are removing my personal liberties.#1) who makes the decisions on what's offensive and should be "removed" I'm not offended by the display. You are. Why should your way be THE way. It's freedom for all, not freedom for some or freedom for the things that you or I personally approve of.
Yeah, it's not like stories like this ever make the news when they affect Whites (e.g., Jews), huh?

http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/46586
Saw the scarecrows

Brussels, WI

#38 Oct 26, 2008
My wife and I walk every evening. We walked past that house and I noticed the scarecrows were black people hanging from their necks in the tree.
While I did not report nor complain to anyone about the tree I did say to my wife "OMG! those are black people" and "Oh you can't do that!" and then "I wonder how long that will last?".
It was bad and intolerable.
Mike McNabb
http://[packerlandusa.com]
hbirch

Forest Lake, MN

#39 Oct 27, 2008
Lawrence of St Paul wrote:
<quoted text>
What Halloween are you referring to, because the one where people dressed up as the KKK and hung blacks occurred throughout the year, 365 days--and it wasn't to poke fun at witches, ghouls, or goblins.
There were no treats coming from any of the people dressed up like that.
Matter of fact, the people dressed up like were not doing it to celebrate a kid's holiday neither. THEY TOOK THEIR SIGNS, SLOGANS, ACTIONS, AND ATTIRE SERIOUSLY AND THEY WANTED OTHERS TO DO THE SAME.
So while you are mocking people like me, REMEMBER, YOU ARE ALSO MOCKING PEOPLE LIKE THAT, and they may decide to visit your door.
It's a free Country Isn't it. Or is it free depending on whats ok with you and how you feel.If more people like you would address say the ganster troubles in the Cities now that would be worth while. Not a scare crow with a dark face hanging from a tree at holloween time. Just a thought...
Mark

Saint Paul, MN

#40 Oct 27, 2008
hbirch wrote:
<quoted text>It's a free Country Isn't it. Or is it free depending on whats ok with you and how you feel.If more people like you would address say the ganster troubles in the Cities now that would be worth while. Not a scare crow with a dark face hanging from a tree at holloween time. Just a thought...
It's free as long as you are not a white person doing something another race doesn't like.

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