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Security video raises questions about Oceanside brawl -

There are 338 comments on the Newsday story from Aug 21, 2007, titled Security video raises questions about Oceanside brawl -. In it, Newsday reports that:

The grainy scenes on the security video show a seemingly violent beating inside a McDonald's in Oceanside -- but now the question is who administered the beating and who received it.

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MB LI

Sterling, VA

#390 Oct 1, 2007
Figures you are from Island Park. You do not know how to compose an email. Did you know the hispanic/black came into McDonalds screaming and yelling threats. Unfortunately, you did not see the entire video which demonstrates these thugs coming into the restaurant screaming and yelling. The whites were acting in self defense because the black attacked the kid with the beer bottle. Also, did you know the 17 year old hispanic was suspended from school two weeks before this incident because he had a knife in school. Also, the hispanic youth was arrested a month after the McD incident for another assualt and battery charge. Amazing how my friend's kids are being arrested now because the race card was pulled out again.

I swear on all that is holy, I will fight this one to the end. There is no way in hell these kids are going to have a record because two low lives have problems with controlling their temper. You will see these same two thugs on America's Most Wanted!
island park wrote:
i know people involved it was self defense a black/hispanic jumped and the video proves it yet they wont let it public so they dont let the white kids in oceanside look bad.
beleive me all the white kids in oceanside are going to get it believe me island park kids going to tear any racist little italian prick
Alf

Brooklyn, NY

#391 Oct 2, 2007
Southbound wrote:
Sounds like self-defense to me. People who attack in gangs are cowards, regardless of their skin color. The clown who got hit with the bottle probably got exactly what he deserved.
But how could there be a 25 year sentence possible out of a fight?
Clown? Since when do they allow beer bottles in Mcdonalds?Looks like someone else brought intent into the room
Alf

Brooklyn, NY

#392 Oct 2, 2007
Since when do they allow beer bottles in Mcdonalds? Seems like Staton brought intent into the room.
Alf

Brooklyn, NY

#393 Oct 2, 2007
Since when do they sell beer at Mcdonalds? I think Mr. Staton had intent bringing a beer bottle into Mcdonalds.
Nanna

Freeport, NY

#394 Oct 2, 2007
Southbound wrote:
Sounds like self-defense to me. People who attack in gangs are cowards, regardless of their skin color. The clown who got hit with the bottle probably got exactly what he deserved.
But how could there be a 25 year sentence possible out of a fight?
Honestly I live in Oceanside, this so called "hate crime" is definitely a hoax. I moved here about three years ago and all I see is like the black and spanish kids always thinking they could fight the white kids because they are going to win. They pretty much antagonize them and when someone retaliates its like "Oh thats a hate crime." Im not chosing a side based on race and im not saying that the kid deserved to get brutally beaten. What im saying is what happened that night was provoked possibly on both parts but its not just the guys who fought him fault the blame should be shared equally. My honest opinion though is that if the victim was not a minority than this would not be put out the way it is. This entire situation is making oceanside out to be this racist place and its not.
No More Trial By Press

Paterson, NJ

#395 Oct 3, 2007
Nanna wrote:
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Honestly I live in Oceanside, this so called "hate crime" is definitely a hoax. I moved here about three years ago and all I see is like the black and spanish kids always thinking they could fight the white kids because they are going to win. They pretty much antagonize them and when someone retaliates its like "Oh thats a hate crime." Im not chosing a side based on race and im not saying that the kid deserved to get brutally beaten. What im saying is what happened that night was provoked possibly on both parts but its not just the guys who fought him fault the blame should be shared equally. My honest opinion though is that if the victim was not a minority than this would not be put out the way it is. This entire situation is making oceanside out to be this racist place and its not.
Very well put. A note to all read MB LI's post it may be closer to the truth than the folks playing the race card may want to believe.

Maybe this incident started the day of the knife incident? Maybe a white kid was threatened with the knife. Maybe Al and his bro Juan or whatever his name is came into Mc D's talking trash to start with. Maybe the white girl wasn't the issue. Maybe Al & Juan were boasting about being untouchable because they be Bloods. Maybe both groups had beer. Maybe Big Al pushed the little white boy first and sent him flying, but was then surprized when the kid got back up and thumped Big Al. Then as it written it "Was On". But maybe big Al and other little white boy weren't men enough not to use weapons. Maybe this isn't racially motivated. Maybe it's just a bunch of bored bunch of kids with Bud Muscles, a chip on there shoulders and something to prove to the world.

Hey, it could have been worse the Bloods who showed up at the 7-11 on Lawson, instead of Atlantic could have been smart enough to show up at the correct 7-11 and this entire thing could have be worse.
RevAl

AOL

#396 Oct 5, 2007
No More Trial By Press wrote:
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Very well put. A note to all read MB LI's post it may be closer to the truth than the folks playing the race card may want to believe.
Maybe this incident started the day of the knife incident? Maybe a white kid was threatened with the knife. Maybe Al and his bro Juan or whatever his name is came into Mc D's talking trash to start with. Maybe the white girl wasn't the issue. Maybe Al & Juan were boasting about being untouchable because they be Bloods. Maybe both groups had beer. Maybe Big Al pushed the little white boy first and sent him flying, but was then surprized when the kid got back up and thumped Big Al. Then as it written it "Was On". But maybe big Al and other little white boy weren't men enough not to use weapons. Maybe this isn't racially motivated. Maybe it's just a bunch of bored bunch of kids with Bud Muscles, a chip on there shoulders and something to prove to the world.
Hey, it could have been worse the Bloods who showed up at the 7-11 on Lawson, instead of Atlantic could have been smart enough to show up at the correct 7-11 and this entire thing could have be worse.
Hey Somebody got the story right. It is funny that newsday is not out there talking to the lawyers from their side only the laawyers for Stanton. Whats the problem Newsday? The real story won't sell papers?
The White Shadow

Hempstead, NY

#397 Nov 9, 2007
Jena,La...now we have Jena LI
coach Bill

AOL

#398 Nov 15, 2007
The White Shadow wrote:
Jena,La...now we have Jena LI
And we also have a J.O. in New Hyde Park.
True American Patriot

Fairfield, CA

#399 Jan 19, 2009
Rich Caron wrote:
It doesn't matter what part race played in this...
Rather than Newsday trying to portray Staton as a completely innocent party here, I'd like them to dig up the answers to a couple questions:
Where did the beer bottle come from? Was it open? Was he drinking from it? Why did Staton have it in his hand...what kind of person walks into a McDonalds restaurant with a beer bottle?
Regardless who started the fight, the bottle was a weapon and it caused severe bodily harm. Granted, whoever started the fight should be charged as well...that's obvious. But Staton chose to use a weapon, and must be held responsible for that choice. What would be the reaction if he picked up a gun and shot the guy? Self defense doesn't justify the extent of what he did.
When are people going to learn to take responsibility for their choices? Staton should have learned that after his first conviction.
Maybe the aggressors shouldn't have "introduced" the weapon (bottle) into the scenario... You're an idiot! I'm glad he smartly assessed his friend-to-foe ratio disadvantage and opted to use whatever necessary to defend himself. The blame and "responsibility" goes to the racist white gang moron!
Former Oceansider

Ellenville, NY

#400 Mar 1, 2009
I cannot believe what Oceanside has come to! It NEVER used to be a violent place to live. I am so glad I never stayed there to raise my family. I was raised there, but it was a nice quiet village then. The last time I visited there I could see the difference w/overcrowding, houses built where there used to be lovely side yards of homes, parking limit signs in front of my old home where none used to be. New people moving in, taking over & changing O'side for the worse. It's become a mini-NYC! What a shame! Sounds like it needs video surveillance all around the village if McD's is having trouble inside where people are just trying to eat their meals! I can only imagine what the old Lincoln Shopping Centre is like.
Former Oceansider

Ellenville, NY

#401 Mar 1, 2009
I just read a couple of posts, one by Nanna, & can't believe that there are gang like thugs now in O'side! Of course the first things they do is cause trouble, then when a white kid defends himself/herself they pull out that ol' standard race card! What a crock! Too bad their families didn't stay where they came from. The original Oceanside (or Christian Hook) is long gone & will never be the quaint little village it once was. Get a grip people of O'side & stand up against these gangs & thugs - kick 'em all out & take back your village! That's the trouble with this world anymore. People won't stick up for anything good anymore or cry out against crime because they're afraid of being labled racist or attacked by the politically correct police. The ol' race card tricks are getting a bit tiring. You've got your half black guy in the White house now it's time to stop cryin' the blues about your color!!

Since: Mar 10

Rockville, MD

#402 Apr 3, 2010
Former Oceansider wrote:
I just read a couple of posts, one by Nanna, & can't believe that there are gang like thugs now in O'side! Of course the first things they do is cause trouble, then when a white kid defends himself/herself they pull out that ol' standard race card! What a crock! Too bad their families didn't stay where they came from. The original Oceanside (or Christian Hook) is long gone & will never be the quaint little village it once was. Get a grip people of O'side & stand up against these gangs & thugs - kick 'em all out & take back your village! That's the trouble with this world anymore. People won't stick up for anything good anymore or cry out against crime because they're afraid of being labled racist or attacked by the politically correct police. The ol' race card tricks are getting a bit tiring. You've got your half black guy in the White house now it's time to stop cryin' the blues about your color!!
So the white gang initiates assualt on the 2 black guys, but it's the black guys fault? You're an idiot... The white gang make racist remarks to the Black guy because he has a white girlfriend... They introduced the weappn (bottle) that the black guy managed to get and whoop some ass with, but now it's the fault of the 2 black guys for dearming the white GANG and whooping their asses? Amazing!

Also, that "half-black" guy that you're so upset with because he's the most powerful man in the world omly got elected because of WHITE voters. Blacks only make up 14% of the U.S., so it was the whites that got him into office! Fell betrayed by you fellow cacausians?!:) Friggin awesome!
Anon peer

Geneseo, NY

#403 May 5, 2010
MB LI wrote:
Figures you are from Island Park. You do not know how to compose an email. Did you know the hispanic/black came into McDonalds screaming and yelling threats. Unfortunately, you did not see the entire video which demonstrates these thugs coming into the restaurant screaming and yelling. The whites were acting in self defense because the black attacked the kid with the beer bottle. Also, did you know the 17 year old hispanic was suspended from school two weeks before this incident because he had a knife in school. Also, the hispanic youth was arrested a month after the McD incident for another assualt and battery charge. Amazing how my friend's kids are being arrested now because the race card was pulled out again.
I swear on all that is holy, I will fight this one to the end. There is no way in hell these kids are going to have a record because two low lives have problems with controlling their temper. You will see these same two thugs on America's Most Wanted!
<quoted text>
Being that I am unfortunately aquatinted with these degenerates from Oceanside, many of them my age, let me tell you that they deserve any legal ramification coming their way. They start problems for no reason what so ever, and yes, they are racist as fucking hell. Ironically the group of Oceanside'ers was comprised of kids from Jewish, South American, and Irish backgrounds, that I know of. The fact that two of them were left to fight these assholes, and one even sustained a nice high chair to the head, these black and spanish 'thugs' had the right to make that asshole who took a bottle to the face remember that every day of his life. If you want to notice some trends amongst student just take a look at all the disciplinary records of the Oceanside kids, most of which I know by name, but will refrain from bringing them any more embarrassment they already deserve. The difference is that not all school districts have the pull in the media that Herb Brown has. When I was a sophomore, I recall witnessing, which beyond any reasonable doubt, was a gang fight at the "smoking corner" The hispanic Oceanside male was very open about his gang affiliation, when a group of kids (I believe from Baldwin) came and started a brawl...there were bottles of liquor being broken over the curb and punches being thrown left and right. To my surprise on LI News 12, the Oceanside gang member was being interviewed and made to look as an innocent victim, when at least 50-100 students witnessed something they've probably only seen in Grand Theft Auto; San Andeas. My point is that Herb Brown was able to spin this into something it completely was not, and many students felt the same way. Not to get too personal on this website, but you have to have some serious mental issues to think that 8-12 kids have the right to gang beat 2 kids, even if they were "yelling" as you put it. Everyone of these Oceanside kids involved deserves a record that cannot even be double sealed, they need to remember what pieces of shit they chose to be on that night, for the rest of their lives. If you honestly children like this deserve a free pass, you sir, are the problem with parenting today as we know it.
Tifa Lockhart

Oceanside, NY

#404 May 27, 2010
I got attacked by two African Americans with a bottle about a year ago the cops gave me a hard time about it so I didn't file a report. congrats cops now you have a violent mugger out in Oceanside all cuzz you wanted to look good shame on the 4th precinct
oak park elementry

Mantua, OH

#405 Jul 3, 2012
all i remenber is that bill almadover raped and killed that girl , and killed john dodson , his paorle hearing is in 2013
oceanside bagels

Lynbrook, NY

#406 Jul 4, 2012
Meh ocean side is all white trash and piece of shit low class jews. Im fine if they beat the shit out of each other.
Pam

Huntington Station, NY

#407 Apr 12, 2014
I lived in Oceanside from 1960 until 1980. I went to Oceanside High with John
Dodson. I didn't know the whole story of his death until I read this blog. He was a very quiet boy in high school. I am shocked at how he died. I am also shocked at the gang violence in oceanside. When i first moved there it was so quiet and you didn't even see anyone walking in the streets. All the stores closed down at 9pm and the town went to sleep. I knew John Dodson and his sister Laurel. They were good people. John used to help my mom carry groceries home from Waldbaums on Long Beach Rd. It's just a shame that John is gone and Oceanside has become a big gang hangout.

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