Carlsbad desalination project garners...

Carlsbad desalination project garners support of San Diego leaders

There are 15 comments on the WaterWorld story from Nov 29, 2012, titled Carlsbad desalination project garners support of San Diego leaders. In it, WaterWorld reports that:

Nov. 28, 2012 -- Local, state and federal elected leaders representing San Diego County have expressed their support for the purchase of water produced by the Carlsbad Desalination Project, a seawater desalination plant that will provide about 7 percent of the region's water supply , reducing dependence on imported water and significantly improving ... (more)

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#1 Nov 29, 2012
is it good information ... what do you think about this matter?
james marple

San Diego, CA

#2 Nov 29, 2012
With the home port's folks all aboard the ship of fools can set sail toward their destination of even greater debt for we who trusted them to exercise good judgment. Meanwhile each inch and a half of rain that falls on our county overall is lost to avoidable evaporation or to the ocean, even though this much would meet all our needs and saving it would eliminate pollution and flooding.

With 18.5 inches of rain falling yearly on average, 2/3 this much even in the worst drought years, there can be no good excuse for importing or desalinating water. But if that rain is managed as wisely as in Phoenix or Fresno there would be no need for the huge body of drones that demand overpaid employment with fat pensions for life.

They have fooled us with a pretense of complying with State law, ignoring the small print that requires storing ALL OR ANY STORMWATERS for beneficial use. By locking us into a 30-year contract they will ensure our permanent servitude to them by allowing extortion from the criminal element of our business sector.
james marple

San Diego, CA

#3 Dec 1, 2012
A water district employee suggested today that Poseidon's senior vice president MacLaggan has breathed a sigh of relief because his phony prediction that desal water would cost only $750 per home has been forgotten, the new price of $1.150 accepted. Plus he's now empowered to sic lawyers and junk-yard dawgs on citizens who speak out objecting to providing low-salt water to save the lawns of wealthy folks. I sure hope he doesn't take offense again, restoring virused computers is a bother.

She said replacing bluegrass lawns every few years due to the high salt content of Colorado River water is very expensive so I asked why they don't just install Astroturf. Her reply was that genuine Merion is a source of pride for owners of fine estates. A desal plant paid for by the million plus water customers who don't have fine lawns will save that expense and guarantee plenty of the cleaner water during droughts.

I asked if officials could and would divert that cleaner water to areas that have expensive homes but she declined to answer, saying the "Keep 'La Jolla Green" club can get pretty nasty if they suspect that ordinary public servants are talking too much.

She also said that more than half the total water supply goes to landscapes but obviously not to people who can't afford $100+ a month. We see more brown than green lawns where ordinary people live. the new "Ghetto" look.
Ben Dover

Menifee, CA

#4 Dec 3, 2012
Reclaimed water would be a better investment.
james marple

San Diego, CA

#5 Dec 3, 2012
Unfortunately reclaimed water carries a huge load of salt, over a ton per acre-foot (3 tons per million gallons) due to the use of Colorado River water. This progressively destroya trees - grass - cropland.

The rainwater storage plan formulated by our CRWM group for the Santa Margarita River in collusion with fed-state experts distributes most rrecycled water to irrigation of reseeded hillsides so that mixed grassland/forests dominate instead of brush, allowing easy control of wildfires with huge saving of tax and insurance dollars for all homes.

In this model Comprehensive Watershed Management Plan 20%-plus pf the cubic mile of rainwater falling on San Diego County yearly would be guided into aquifers in compliance with the CA Water Code, meeting all household needs with pure water at about a tenth the present cost. This would end flooding and eliminate the pollution that is fouling streams-beaches.

Unfortunately again; This planning that did wonders for Phoenix would put the Chief Engineers of South Coast counties out of work so chances that sensible rainwater management will happen are slim. Their false and/or misleading testimony fools a majority of politicians into approving multi-billion-dollar schemes that waste 95%+ of our rainwater so that they can justify importation schemes that enhance their power.
The "Chinatown" game.

These Chief Engineers have brazenly defied the CA Water Code that created their jobs, collaborating openly with major land developers to become so politically powerful that no mere Mayor or County Board or State-County-City Attorney dared expose their violations. Arizonans have traditionally been less tolerant of entrenched, corrupted bureaucrats than Californians, in '87 they elected politicians who "threw the bums out of office" and hired good ones to gain spectacular benefits from guiding ALL stormwater into their wellwaters.
james marple

San Diego, CA

#6 Dec 14, 2012
A water district worker called to point out that the San Vicente Dam reservior lost about 2.2 billion gallons of water to evaporation yearly when it was full and will lose about 3.2 billion yearly because it has been raised.

So now we see why the Carlsbad Desalination plant deal was approved by the SD County Water Authority Board of Directors: It will provide the 10,000 acre-feet necessary to match that evaporation loss.(For $13 million yearly.)

This is a marvelously inventive twist to the "Chinatown" game of dumping our rainfall (ten times as much as our households sue) to the ocean so that they will have permanent featherbed jobs importing water to replace it.

Raise the dam to increase the loss to justify the desalination plant.
james marple

San Diego, CA

#7 Dec 20, 2012
Four of Australia's six desalination plants are no longer in use due to their high electrical costs and the air pollution from generators that power them. Saudi Arabia has developed major air quality problems as a result of its desalination plants. 16 seawater desalination projects in California have been blocked by regulators and concerned citizens who recognize the major damage they would do to the local economy and environment.

Yet our county water district's Board of Directors committed us to a $2 billion debt for a prematurely obsolete desalination plant that will produce a mere 8% of our needs. Were these trusted officials told by their civil engineers that for a tenth as much they could have built a rainwater storage system that would provide six times as much pure water? Or did these engineers cooperate in the dog and pony shows of Poseidon's cunning consultants to mislead the Board into ignoring commonsense ways to manage our rainfall?

We the People can only guess at their reasons for approving a flagrantly improper purchase by their Manager. They were, after all, granted power by our politicians to bury us in debt, already so large that 20% of our water bills are diverted to interest payments. We elected the politicians so we have only ourselves to blame for this latest raid on our bank accounts.
james marple

San Diego, CA

#8 Jan 24, 2013
Looks like Huntington Beach residents and neighboring cities are about to be scammed by the same group that pushed through the Carlsbad desalinator.

Those wordsmiths sure are persuasive, capable of making public servants forget their duty "to guide all stormwater to storage' so that flooding and pollution are prevented and plenty of pure, cheap water is available.

Have our public servants illustrated this stormwater storage alternative to our politicians? Or are we locked into permanent dependence on imported and desalinated water because more than 90% of our rainwater is deliberately wasted by our public servants in the "Chinatown" movie mode?
james marple

San Diego, CA

#9 Feb 17, 2013
Could it be that San Diego County officials bought the Carlsbad Desalinator scam because they factored in the much tighter water quality rules that federal regulators will have to impose?(When it become public knowledge that the water imported from slimy rivers is causing what appear to be epidemic levels of cancer, autism, asthma and early death problems.)

MWD's water is well-known by scientists to be overloaded with sewage effluent, heavy metals and herbicides-pesticides-fungicid es from many million acres of roads, farmyards, cropland. But it's managers spend a lot to cover this up and impose penalties for speaking out about this. Plus, major news services only want studies that promote the myth of "global warming"that is enriching their owners. So conscientious scientist find other things to study.

The present Administration in Washington is smart to make information produced by public servants about bad water quality hard to find. A lot of folks would get upset enough to demand immediate corrective action if they knew about the ability of complex chemical compounds in the water we swim and bathe in to pass through their skin. Even the wealthy are victims of this insidious invasion by the body smashers.
james marple

San Diego, CA

#10 Mar 28, 2013
Reply to a useful critique on the UT forum
--- Yes, the desalination plant has encouraged me to wriot because the $9,800 it will cost me is bald-faced extortion by a clique of clever cons.
-- Desal has a place in water recycling and in the few instances Worldwide where brackish water can be recovered at less cost than importation or rainwater storage. But it is totally inappropriate for making seawater usable where a huge surplus is delivered on doorsteps even in the driest of years, as in San Diego County.
--- You say my "numbers are fantastic". They come from state and federal files, along with opinions from water managers and professionals in related fields, and yes, when they reveal gross exaggerations by local public servants who intend to deceive us they do appear "fantastic".
--- You nave not posted numbers for the volume of rainwater falling on any of our communities. It seems reasonable to assume from this, then, that you agree Poway could guide one in three of its 10 billion gallons of rain yearly to storage and thereby meet all its needs, end flooding, correct stormwater pollution, and make its creekbeds usable for parks and travelways. IF voters become wise enough to elect more capable politicians.
---San Diego's civil engineers, consultants, lawyers, news reporters have too often let wage-pension-job security concerns override professional ethics that demand they provide complete and accurate information to their clients, us. Without good information we've been vulnerable to deception by our servants and these warped our collective database so effectively that voters repeatedly selected candidates who could not - or would not - perform properly. Do you have a better explanation for the contradiction of chronic flooding in communities that suffer chronic water shortages?

~~~ Jim Marple for Citizens for Responsible Watershed Management
Carl Bad

Oceanside, CA

#11 Apr 4, 2013
so thirsty............
james marple

San Diego, CA

#12 Apr 4, 2013
$3.5 Billion in new debt for a seawater desalinator will give us 18 billion gallons of clean water yearly. A million households forced to pay $9,8000 each so that the 100,000 homes using this pure water won't have to pay $34,000 each to keep their landscapes, pastures and golf courses healthy by not using salty Colorado River water.

Meanwhile 50 billion gallons of wastewater is dumped to the ocean each year even though it could be purified at less cost than desalinating 18 billion gallons of sea water. Doesn't this suggest to you that someone has been misinforming us as well as our politicians?

Dumping sewage to the ocean ruined our sport/commercial fishing industries, made our beaches undesirable to tourists and is now killing off seals. Doesn't this seem plain foolish when it forces us to pay $100 million yearly to import more of the salty Colorado River water that is killing our crops, lawns, pastures, kids and old folks?

Some of the damage done by 10 years of deliberate water mismanagement:
a)$2 billion-plus cost for imported water
b)$3.6 billion dam/tunnel improvements bond
c)$1 billion-plus for flood control construction
d)$3.5 billion for the Carlsbad desalination plant
e)$4 billion planned for stormwater treatment facilities

These expenses would have been avoided if our politicians not been fiooled into approve the ocean dumping wastewater. To clarify this issue: Our water managers are saving $150 million yearly by spending $1.2 billion yearly, but their jobs are secure and their pensions will be generous because they are doing precisely what land-water-energy profiteers tell them to do.

james marple

San Diego, CA

#13 Dec 20, 2013
Citizens of San Marcos can console themselves, as they pay extortion
to clever professional liars managing their water supply, by observing
we silly folks in San Diego meekly paying extortion to a similar much larger self-perpetuating bureaucracy that deceives-coerces-bribes our polticians to maintain its status as a weapon of the business mafia.

There's enough pure, free water deliberately wasted upstream from San
Marcos to meet all household needs of the entire county. Yet this
city's children are brain-damaged before birth by complex chemical
compounds in the imported water residents bathe and swim in.(It's toxims pass through skin easily to mutate brain cell DNA of a fetus.)

Autism, asthma and slow brain growth exist at epidemic levels but
a lack of concern by citizens allows them to be gouged by water
and energy bills because they are not informed well enough to discern
capable candidates from the fools and croooks they elect as a
revolving majority that denies them good information.

'Tis said; "The Good Lord Helps Those Who Help Themselves".
Good government starts with well-informed voters.
james marple

San Diego, CA

#14 Feb 1, 2014
This forum has not attracted many citizens concerned about
their family's health-safety-welfare and quality of life.

Perhaps because a few persons have posted an endless series
of garbage comment that offends most browsers so that they
do not join the discussion. If so then agents of the badit army
have won the war! Or perhaps just because few folks in this
area are genuinely concerned about family-friends-community.

The foolish and corrupt politicians we've elected because we were
too busy or too lazy to inform ourselves properly have run up some
huge bills, but the $11 million being spent daily is a real biggie.

With a million homes and $14 billion total expense that's $14,000
for each homeowner to pay on top of what we are paying already
A $700 yearly increase as soon as the present band of self-serving
agency managers can walk away with their fat pensions.

Is there some other reason for the loss of far more rain than we use?
james marple

San Diego, CA

#15 Apr 16, 2014
Why will our water bills have to escalate by $700 yearly in the next few years? Some facts about yearly supply and use:

1,350,000,000,000 gallons of rain on average fall on SD County.
900,000,000,000 galllons is 'catchable' according to federal files.
30,000,000,000 gallons is saved by reservoirs for public use.
50,000,000,000 gallons of recyclable effluent dumped into ocean
203,000,000,000 gallons of water is used at present
200,000,000,000 gallons of Colorado River water will be imported
17,000,000,000 gallons will be supplied by desalinating seawater
16,000,000,000 gallons of local water will not longer be used in 2020

Surface and aquifer storage capacity is unlimited, so one year of normal rain would provide enough for five years of use.
But county and city officials reject federal planning modes that reduce
the cost of new homes by shaping landscapes to save all stormwater.

Elected State-County-City Attorneys refuse to enforce State Statutes
that order county and cityh officials to "guide all or any stormwaters
into soils of the district" to prevent flooding and loss or contamination
of these waters so that they may be put to beneficial public use..

News services ignore both that violation of the CA Water Cpde and
the failure of law enforcement officials to exercise "due diligence".

County and city officials maintain websites that misrepresent the amount of rain falling and the much lower cost of storing it than
dumping it to the ocean.
Reporters present this trash data to voters.

As long as public forums like this one are dirrupted by agents of the
public agencies and private sector that profit from mismanagement
of land-water-energy, the ongoing extortion of more than $6,000
yearlyon average from each household will continue.

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