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Ohio.com - Environmental group speaks out against coal-burning ...

There are 31 comments on the Akron Beacon Journal story from Oct 8, 2007, titled Ohio.com - Environmental group speaks out against coal-burning .... In it, Akron Beacon Journal reports that:

A national environmental group is on the warpath against a new coal-burning power plant in southern Ohio, but Akron-area communities, including Cuyahoga Falls and Wadsworth, that are investing in the $2.5 ...

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truth

Wheeling, WV

#1 Oct 8, 2007
First off, THIS IS BULLSH*^*&%^
I live in the Ohio Valley near powhatten point Ohio, contrary to what this website post. I live with in 2 coal power plants on the Ohio and I can tell you people need to study coal before running there mouth.
Coal is natural, unlike NUCLEAR or other liquids. GO AHEAD , hate coal and see what it gets replaced with, the Russians did and in the 1980's with the mutated kids will tell you in a second they wish they hadnt !!
No Comment

Strongsville, OH

#2 Oct 9, 2007
Post No Grump
pete

Dayton, OH

#3 Oct 9, 2007
Go with coal, we have a 1,000 year supply lefy....and no radiocactive waiste will be produced....Some proponents of nuclear power say coal has radiation also...but that is a big fat lie....

In the present state of civilization we need a great deal of electrical energy and coal is a + over nuclear..
Old Man Grump

Canton, OH

#4 Oct 9, 2007
AEP used coal and is now paying a $1.6 billion fine and has to convert all of it's plants over the next 10 years to environmentally friendly. Acid rain is bad for the environment. No new coal burning plants should be allowed. They kill everything in their path. Cost us taxpayers too much money.

“At least I'm housebroken.”

Since: Jun 07

Canton, OH

#5 Oct 9, 2007
Let's see. The environmentalists need to figure out what they want. They don't want coal power plants. They don't want nuclear power plants. However, they also want us to start driving electric cars to reduce CO2 emissions. We don't have the generation capacity to produce the electricity to meet the new demand.

What do they want?
Dunno

Waynesburg, OH

#6 Oct 9, 2007
Better get these plants built now before the knuckleheads get to be in charge of everything and outlaw projects like this.
Scooter Moonpie

Akron, OH

#7 Oct 9, 2007
Old Man Grump wrote:
AEP used coal and is now paying a $1.6 billion fine and has to convert all of it's plants over the next 10 years to environmentally friendly. Acid rain is bad for the environment. No new coal burning plants should be allowed. They kill everything in their path. Cost us taxpayers too much money.
With all due respect, what the hell are you talking about?

AEP used coal and complied with all current environmental regulations. Any coal-fired power plant occasionally violates emissions limits, and that's where the fines kick in. A $1.6 billion dollar fine? I'd like to see your source. That sounds more like the cost of additional environmental controls.

First Energy Generation is currently upgrading their emissions control systems at their Sammis power plant in Stratton, Ohio. That price tag is $1.3 billion for one plant alone.

Contrary to popular belief, at least your belief, coal-fired power plants do not "kill everything in their path." Power plants don't move. Their emissions do, however. In my opinion a lot of the claims of deaths due to NOx and PM2.5 emissions are greatly exaggerated, but then I'm not a doctor or a scientist. I do know that things are a lot cleaner everywhere than when I was a kid in the 60s, and people weren't dropping like flies back then. A little fear goes a long way.

As for coal-fired plants costing taxpayers too much money, taxpayers don't pay for power plants. Investors do. Ultimately the electricity consumer pays for it.
Scooter Moonpie

Akron, OH

#8 Oct 9, 2007
The Big Lebowski wrote:
Let's see. The environmentalists need to figure out what they want. They don't want coal power plants. They don't want nuclear power plants. However, they also want us to start driving electric cars to reduce CO2 emissions. We don't have the generation capacity to produce the electricity to meet the new demand.
What do they want?
So the energy corps decide to go with wind farms. The greenies hate them, too, because they spoil the skyline, make noise, and kill birds and bats. Solar? Not advanced enough and too expensive still. OK, how's about hydro? NO no NO, we hates dams and loves fishes. Biomass? No, St. Algore says the earth is heating up!

I think some of these greens believe that electricity comes from the walls of their homes.

Yeah, we need electric cars! It's clean? Where the heck do they think that electricity is coming from? Oh, yeah, their walls.

Pull the plug and hear 'em scream when the batteries die on their iPods and laptops.
Scooter Moonpie

Akron, OH

#9 Oct 9, 2007
truth wrote:
First off, THIS IS BULLSH*^*&%^
I live in the Ohio Valley near powhatten point Ohio, contrary to what this website post. I live with in 2 coal power plants on the Ohio and I can tell you people need to study coal before running there mouth.
My old stomping grounds... Kammer and Mitchell power plants, on the WV side of the river. How's it looking down there now with the new scrubbers in place?
string bean

Toledo, OH

#11 Oct 9, 2007
To all you uneducated nobs...the biggest source of radiation in the air comes from coal burning(this is a scientific FACT!)...it also produces mercury which affects women and childbirth...not to mention fish. My hybrid car does not need to be plugged in. AEP agreed to settle...$4.6 billion dollar fine for NON-COMPLIANCE with the Clean Air Act...sulphur emissions from coal burning plants in this area pruduce acid rain which affects the North Eastern US. Seems like after reading some of these posts the best solution is population control.
Scooter Moonpie

Akron, OH

#12 Oct 9, 2007
string bean wrote:
To all you uneducated nobs...the biggest source of radiation in the air comes from coal burning(this is a scientific FACT!)...it also produces mercury which affects women and childbirth...not to mention fish. My hybrid car does not need to be plugged in. AEP agreed to settle...$4.6 billion dollar fine for NON-COMPLIANCE with the Clean Air Act...sulphur emissions from coal burning plants in this area pruduce acid rain which affects the North Eastern US. Seems like after reading some of these posts the best solution is population control.
Wrong, bean. It's not a fine. Educate yourself:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21198255/

The FINE was $15 million. The rest is remedial and control investments.

No one's arguing that coal produces radioactivity. EVERYTHING is radioactive to various extents, and that's a fact as well. Also, no one was discussing hybrids, only straight electric vehicles. I hope you have fun losing your investment in your hybrid car.

Mercury is also naturally occurring in the environment. How many three-headed kids do we have running around in the NE, anyway? What are the transport rates for mercury versus SOx or NOx?

Reading your post gives me increased disdain for moonbat environmentalists.
Dunno

Waynesburg, OH

#13 Oct 9, 2007
string bean wrote:
To all you uneducated nobs...the biggest source of radiation in the air comes from coal burning
The biggest source of radiation in the air is the sun - by a huge margin.

The largest 'greenhouse gas' is water vapor.
string bean

Toledo, OH

#14 Oct 9, 2007
Semantics...fine/settlement... amounts to the same thing.

Losing my investment? 50mpg

Moonbat environmentalists? Your kids will thank us.
Medina Engineer

Akron, OH

#15 Oct 9, 2007
It time for enviromental morons to wake up and face reality. There are only two sources of energy to meet our world's power demand: firing a fossil fuel such as coal or nuclear. Wind and solar cannot generate the quanity of power demanded although they can help. It requires more energy to produce ethanol and hydrogen than they generate so in the end this technology depends on fossil fired power plants to supplement the difference. Electric Vehicle - They get plugged into the and quess where the power must come from. My vote is to spend our R&D dollars on creating safe ways to dispose of nuclear waste. Slapping NOX, SOX and CO2 scrubbers on the back of power plants is stupid.
Old Man Grump

Canton, OH

#17 Oct 9, 2007
Scooter Moonpie wrote:
<quoted text>
With all due respect, what the hell are you talking about?
AEP used coal and complied with all current environmental regulations. Any coal-fired power plant occasionally violates emissions limits, and that's where the fines kick in. A $1.6 billion dollar fine? I'd like to see your source. That sounds more like the cost of additional environmental controls.
First Energy Generation is currently upgrading their emissions control systems at their Sammis power plant in Stratton, Ohio. That price tag is $1.3 billion for one plant alone.
Contrary to popular belief, at least your belief, coal-fired power plants do not "kill everything in their path." Power plants don't move. Their emissions do, however. In my opinion a lot of the claims of deaths due to NOx and PM2.5 emissions are greatly exaggerated, but then I'm not a doctor or a scientist. I do know that things are a lot cleaner everywhere than when I was a kid in the 60s, and people weren't dropping like flies back then. A little fear goes a long way.
As for coal-fired plants costing taxpayers too much money, taxpayers don't pay for power plants. Investors do. Ultimately the electricity consumer pays for it.
My Source:

Power firm agrees to record pollution cleanup
American Electric Power to invest $4.6 billion to clear Northeast air

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21198255/

Enjoy reading......OMG
Scooter Moonpie

Akron, OH

#18 Oct 9, 2007
string bean wrote:
Semantics...fine/settlement... amounts to the same thing.
Losing my investment? 50mpg
Moonbat environmentalists? Your kids will thank us.
Investing in pollution controls are NOT fines, bean. Semantics have nothing to do with this.
Scooter Moonpie

Akron, OH

#19 Oct 9, 2007
Old Man Grump wrote:
<quoted text>
My Source:
Power firm agrees to record pollution cleanup
American Electric Power to invest $4.6 billion to clear Northeast air
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21198255/
Enjoy reading......OMG
My bad, grump. I cited the same source after the fact above.

$4.6B is a chunk o' change, but AEP is fluid enough to pull this off.

Since: Mar 07

Massillon, OH

#20 Oct 9, 2007
As usual, the kuckoo environmentalists are full of complaints about how energy is currently produced, but always short on alternatives. I agree with the posts here, there isn't an energy source we use that the fruitcups haven't complained about.
eastsider

Shelby, OH

#23 Oct 9, 2007
suz wrote:
can't we have better science at play in this? what is such a problem that funding can be spent on war machines yet we can't solve the energy problem(s)???
lacking education?
"Can't we have better science?"
I'm sure DiVinci asked the same thing.

He still fueled his house and cooked with peat, coal and wood.
There were still wars then, as there are now.

By the way, what are you majoring in?
string bean

Toledo, OH

#25 Oct 10, 2007
Scooter Moonpie wrote:
<quoted text>
Investing in pollution controls are NOT fines, bean. Semantics have nothing to do with this.
Your probably right...AEP is likely 'investing' this amount on their own free will....

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