Hospital labor talks derail

Hospital labor talks derail

There are 21 comments on the Monterey County Herald story from Dec 30, 2010, titled Hospital labor talks derail. In it, Monterey County Herald reports that:

A labor dispute that has been brewing for months between the Salinas Valley Memorial Healthcare System and one of its largest unions worsened this week after hospital administrators declared an impasse in negotiations and laid off 20 of the union's workers.

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CAREGOINGDOWNHIL LatSVMH

United States

#1 Dec 30, 2010
Not true, said Ranzenberger. Of the 20 workers laid off, "none work on the patient care unit," she said. "In addition, we've always made or exceed the California mandate for nurse-patient ratios."
(What Ranzeberger doesnt tell you, is the Nurses and Nurse Aides that are cancelled each day leaving the ones that are working caring for double the amount of patients.) We need to hear from some of the patients and their families. Tell us about the great care they recieved, NO BATHS, WAITING LONGER FOR PAIN MEDICATION AND LONGER FOR BATH ROOM NEEDS.
"We've never denied we're making money," replied Ranzenberger. "We're not making as much money
(SO WE CAN'T PAD OUR SECOND PENSION! AND GET ANOTHER RAISE TO OUR OUTRAGEOUS SALARY!)
So come on SVMH Board of Directors do your JOB! maybe you should be layed off as well!
supporter2010

United States

#3 Dec 30, 2010
I work at svmh as an aid. And i along with many others get cancelled alot. How dare bev say patient care is not being affect... it already is! I have heard several people say they will never come back to svmh until everything Is fixed! I used to be proud to work at svmh but not any more. You walk down the hall and there's people yelling because there laying in there own poop! And there is no one to help them because there Is only one aid with 20 patients! And I can't do anything to help because staffing says I have to go home!
And Just the other day a lady said her husband had fallen in his room when she was gone for over an hour and he Just layed there on the floor the whole time and not one person checked on him. Now That is even more sad!
I think bev needs to wake up and come out of her office and talk to the patients! She says nursing staff isn't being touched but it obviously already has!
Masters in Journalism

Monterey, CA

#4 Dec 30, 2010
Could this story be any more bias? Add some of the numbers next time and don't only focus on the sob stories.
samAlazyass

United States

#5 Dec 30, 2010
How can BEV say none of the jobs are jobs that deal with patient care? They all do its a HOSPITAL! the only jobs that don't deal with the patients is Sam and Bev's. I dont believe they care about the patients just about the money!ANd Sam selling his starbucks! Lets see them go out and pick up the trash since theres nobody to do it anymore! Or lets see bev go out and take care of 20 pts and work her ass off! Then see what she has to say about patient care.
Sam and Bev need to step up and put on the real "neighbors who care" shoes and see how it is!
ImpasseNOT

United States

#6 Dec 30, 2010
I agree! Bev should come out of her office across the street and meet with patients but that would mean getting the TRUTH out. And why on earth would she want to do that? Instead she would rather lie to our faces like she did at the meeting on monday referring to the last meeting. If only someone had a tape recorder to put her on the spot. She has such a BAD attitude! And by the way a "bargaining impasse occurs when the two sides negotiating an agreement are unable to reach an agreement and become deadlocked"(From wikipedia) The NUHW is still willing to negotiate. She did not even look at the proposal!
Tony

Marina, CA

#7 Dec 30, 2010
Masters in Journalism wrote:
Could this story be any more bias? Add some of the numbers next time and don't only focus on the sob stories.
What reporter is going to risk have their family or themselves become targets of the third world tactics the Union thugs use. We know one side has a culture of self destructive violence and one side is trying to provide affordable Health Care Services in the area.

Any real discussion of the financial problems facing SVMH is lost on people who have been taught since birth that they are owed something because they are poor victims. Ayn Rand explains these "Looters" in "Atlas Shrugged" perfectly. Socialism (Unionism) always fails when it runs out of other peoples money.
Tony

Marina, CA

#8 Dec 30, 2010
That being said...

The Board of Directors seems unusually large for a Hospital of this size and the person in charge claims the layoffs are in response to a shrinking patient base, Yet the Board of Directors remain the same size? Harry Wardwell runs Robobank and is on the Board of Directors? That is just one person with their hand in the cookie jar that could be let go.
silent middle

Monterey, CA

#9 Dec 30, 2010
This whole situation has been a mess, while I believe that the Admin needs to to step up and take a pay cut , there has been way too much gluttony going on for far to long at all levels of the hospital including the union, the gravy train has has ended and everybody needs to realize that, rather than crying about staffing levels and the fact that you are being cut some these people should realize that a least they still have a job, to characterize the patient staffing levels at 20 to 1 is an outright fabrication, the Hospital current census of beds occupied is at about half what was a year ago with with it dropping to less than 100 beds occupied this last week, two entire floors have been closed yet the union will have you believe that patient care is suffering , should the hospital still keep staffing an empty hospital?, some of my fellow nurses will actually have to step up and actually earn there 40 -60 dollars an hour instead relying on CNA's to do their work. I challenge anybody to walk the floors and they will see just how many workers are on each unit.

in regards to the 20 people who lost their jobs, a majority were from housekeeping and and a lot were great workers victims of union based seniority hierarchy, they should have been cut on based on performance and not seniority, instead of keeping the performers we get the union slugs who only care about collecting a pay check!!!
steamed831

Salinas, CA

#10 Dec 30, 2010
@ silent middle
the 20 people who lost their jobs were not layed off by seniory, thay have been long time employees
that had benifited positions. The layoff order
should be perdiem first then parttime, then full time. Furthermore since the hospital is restructuring and downsizing, why do they still need so many administrators and management?

silent middle

Monterey, CA

#11 Dec 30, 2010
steamed831 wrote:
@ silent middle
the 20 people who lost their jobs were not layed off by seniory, thay have been long time employees
that had benifited positions. The layoff order
should be perdiem first then parttime, then full time. Furthermore since the hospital is restructuring and downsizing, why do they still need so many administrators and management?
Thanks for making my point, with the exception of not laying off the per diems, the 20 workers laid off were at the bottom of the seniority ( average employment about 5-6 years) in their benefited positions in their respective departments , since per diems don't cost anything and don't get benefits, I can understand an argument to drop the benefits from these workers and lay off the per diems , but I don't think the union would have that , as far as management in the last 6 months there have been almost 100 positions cut most mostly directors, asst. Directors , managers and Supervisors, and one VP but I guess that doesn't count in the union world!!!
I know in speaking to a lot of the employees I know many would prefer a majority of the 20 workers let go instead of some of the more senior people still there!!!
supporter2010

United States

#12 Dec 30, 2010
silent middle wrote:
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Thanks for making my point, with the exception of not laying off the per diems, the 20 workers laid off were at the bottom of the seniority ( average employment about 5-6 years) in their benefited positions in their respective departments , since per diems don't cost anything and don't get benefits, I can understand an argument to drop the benefits from these workers and lay off the per diems , but I don't think the union would have that , as far as management in the last 6 months there have been almost 100 positions cut most mostly directors, asst. Directors , managers and Supervisors, and one VP but I guess that doesn't count in the union world!!!
I know in speaking to a lot of the employees I know many would prefer a majority of the 20 workers let go instead of some of the more senior people still there!!!
Thats where your WRONG! And didnt read the other comment! they did NOT cut by seniority! They cut some that were there for 30+ years...So your calling that bottom of the seniority?
Lay Off

Salinas, CA

#13 Dec 30, 2010
Love it! Someone carrying a sign which said "Lay Off Bev." Love it!
silent middle

Monterey, CA

#14 Dec 30, 2010
supporter2010 wrote:
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Thats where your WRONG! And didnt read the other comment! they did NOT cut by seniority! They cut some that were there for 30+ years...So your calling that bottom of the seniority?
My understanding is that there was only one person that had been in housekeeping who had been there thirty years and that person was in their own classification, that entire classification was eliminated, should that person based on "union rules" be able to come out of his classification and bump somebody else, if so should not the union have tried harder to protect that person, sound like NUHW union same old BS to me, also rumor has it this person wasn't the most productive worker anyway !!!!!
supporter2010

United States

#15 Dec 30, 2010
I think you may not "hear" things totaly right then. Because there were others also who have been there for more then 5-6 years and people still working that have been there less.
NUHW is trying..Many members who its helping can prove that.Do i think they can do more? YES! But half of them dont even understand how SVMH and sam have everyone who can try to help in his pocket! Everyone is somehow together to back them up because of money.
All im saying is if there going to continue with the layoffs (which they probally are) then do them right!
If you dont go to the meetings and do your research then you will just not understand because overall you just DONT care :)
silent middle

Monterey, CA

#16 Dec 30, 2010
supporter2010 wrote:
I think you may not "hear" things totaly right then. Because there were others also who have been there for more then 5-6 years and people still working that have been there less.
NUHW is trying..Many members who its helping can prove that.Do i think they can do more? YES! But half of them dont even understand how SVMH and sam have everyone who can try to help in his pocket! Everyone is somehow together to back them up because of money.
All im saying is if there going to continue with the layoffs (which they probally are) then do them right!
If you dont go to the meetings and do your research then you will just not understand because overall you just DONT care :)
You mean read things right?, had you actually read what I posted you would have seen that I acknowledged that per diems were kept over benefited employees because they don't cost money , please give me one example of a more senior " benefited" employee being laid off over less senior benefited employee. You can't because the benefited employees were laid off from the least senior benefited employees.
do I think that they should have been offered to drop the the benefits of these 20 people and lay off the the per diems , Absolutely!,,still a number of these 20 people would still be gone in that scenario because they were just above the per diems in seniority, had they done it correctly they union would have negotiated performance based layoffs and that way they could kept some of the more productive workers and let go of some of the slugs!!, oh and by the way I have been to the meetings I just see the other side of the fence, that is why I voted for no union at all!!!
Neighbors Who Cared

Torrance, CA

#17 Dec 30, 2010
Of course patient care will suffer! The staff is scared and anxious about the next ax to fall. What do the SVMHS doctors have to say about all the layoffs? Whose side are they on? We would like to hear from them!
supporter2010

United States

#18 Dec 30, 2010
silent middle wrote:
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You mean read things right?, had you actually read what I posted you would have seen that I acknowledged that per diems were kept over benefited employees because they don't cost money , please give me one example of a more senior " benefited" employee being laid off over less senior benefited employee. You can't because the benefited employees were laid off from the least senior benefited employees.
do I think that they should have been offered to drop the the benefits of these 20 people and lay off the the per diems , Absolutely!,,still a number of these 20 people would still be gone in that scenario because they were just above the per diems in seniority, had they done it correctly they union would have negotiated performance based layoffs and that way they could kept some of the more productive workers and let go of some of the slugs!!, oh and by the way I have been to the meetings I just see the other side of the fence, that is why I voted for no union at all!!!
I am perdeim. I know they don't cost anything and never said they were the ones That should be laid off. What good would that be to lay off perdeims when were not worth anything. We just dont work. Part time with least senior should be first. And once again Its happened I gave u an example! And yes if there going to just pick and choose who they layoff then they should research It more and layoff the slug.
I never said the union was the best but thats all we got. At least there fighting for us while the bored has secret meetings behind closed doors that Just shows ya how much they care
native

New Cuyama, CA

#19 Dec 30, 2010
sounds horrible.
kseliz

Monterey, CA

#20 Dec 30, 2010
As a worker there, believe me it is downright ugly! Administration refuses to take a cut in pay and sacrifice equitably..instead one cashes out 2.1 million of his 2nd pension :-(
bella

Monterey, CA

#21 Dec 30, 2010
And most definitely our elected Board of Directors need to come out of hiding! Shame on you for allowing this. You are ultimately responsible for this....not even an acknowledgment to workers who spoke at the last meeting...just total disregard...you are disgusting and as bad as the money hungry miser administration that have the nerve to preach their ridiculous motto "Neighbors Who Care". Care about what? They are greedy nepotists! By the way, what is Bev's word worth? She says one thing one evening and the next day it is contradicted by Good Ole Sam..he could have waited until after Xmas to send that email but instead chose to send it 2 days before ..a neighbor who cares,huh?

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