Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 | Posted by: Topix | Full story: www.cnn.com

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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when the court was more progressive(back in the marshall days)
they dared getting out in front of public opinion, like with roe, brown or loving.
since the rethugs like reagan/bush stacked the court with d00che baggs like scalia??
they have gotten much more states rights oriented....which is more of a traditional conservative stance on social issues..
lets hope the democrats stay in power, so they can appoint a more liberal court(it is likey, the way things are going)
so as to set the tone federally on these important social issues..
if they dont?? they will have to deal with situations like the civil rights movement in certain regions, every so often.
Slow down, put the bong down, it's not good for your heart to smoke that much. You don't make any sense. Maybe you are having a stroke.
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This is such a stupid argument. If it wasn't for the foresight of the founding generation women still wouldn't be able to vote and slavery would still exist. They undertood they were fallible, that's why they wrote article V. And let's not forget it was the State's not the Fed that ended slavery and gave women that right when they ratified said Amendments.
The problem today is that people are unwilling to do things the right way. Amendments are too hard, let's just get the right people on the bench and let the courts dictate our will.
Yes, it is very important to understand the past, and we should to a point worship it, for it is that past which made us what we are today. Any less is simply ignorance.
Yes, those were done by people who were looking forward, not back

thank you for making my point.

Of course we look at the past, but we donít glorify it, we donít say that if something was true before, it has to be true now and in the future. We did exactly the opposite in every example you gave, by people that looked to a bright future, rather than wishing for some non-existent "gold old days"
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<quoted text>We were at an all high time, it would not matter who was the sitting President, things get better, it's cycles, if anything Obama slowed down the progress. The economy does not depend on the President. Plz post the post where I said "the economy is in a free fall"? Why do u lie so much? Is it the pot?
I am indeed disappointed in Obama for not un-doing the republican created disasters faster than he did.( and in some cases still has not done )
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You're an idiot. There is no point in continuing a conversation with you when you obviously have no clue as to the implications of the 17th Amendment, nor do you even have a basic understanding as to why the Senate was not designed as the house with direct election from the popular vote.
Beyond that, you can't even form complete sentences.
perfect!!

you bring up the 17th amendment, and then I tell the everyone what is in it??

and you call me an idiot??

you sound like youd feel right at home at a "town hall meeting" that wasnt open to the public.

michigans actions are racist, and the party at large will not "graduate" the twentieth century, until they stop trying to keep black people from voting!!

these sort of action seem to backfire, see 1965, and 2012.
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I am indeed disappointed in Obama for not un-doing the republican created disasters faster than he did.( and in some cases still has not done )
well lets be fair..

..the rethugs fillibustered EVERY jobs bill after the aca that obama and the dems proposed.....so we could be furtHER ahead.
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RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>Slow down, put the bong down, it's not good for your heart to smoke that much. You don't make any sense. Maybe you are having a stroke.
a tax on pot is imminent in washington and colorado!!
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well lets be fair..
..the rethugs fillibustered EVERY jobs bill after the aca that obama and the dems proposed.....so we could be furtHER ahead.
I do know that... still, deregulation is still a major issue and causing major problems, I personally think we would have been better off to just go off the fiscal cliff which would have undone most of the previous administrations tax windfalls for their friends.

I donít only blame Obama, the majority of the blame resides with the house republicans, and everyone knows that.

Obama has done better than the previous administration, but that bar is pretty darn low.

My disappointment with Obama does not lead me to put the people that got us in this mess back in charge.
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And stop thinking you are a lawyer because you watch Judge Judy.
pot, meet kettle.

look, read the transcripts of the trials. read the findings. you'll see, maybe not understand, the applicability.

gee, looks like you failed to properly inform your side's chuckie with all your vast knowledge. that, or he chose to ignore you - some nutjob internet stranger that you are.

can you hear that last wheezing breaths your side is taking pal? press your little ear up harder to the door and you won't miss it. they're dieing off due to lack of oxygen.

good luck.
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You mean BUSH is going to blow us all again?
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Well what is happening is that the republican leadership is starting to realize that they cannot have the Limbaugh's and O'Reilly's leading the party down the road to oblivion
The Tea Party is part of the problem with being the party of stupid.
It is a civil war within the party, they only have 2 choices, leave the idiots vetting their candidates ( which is the road to oblivion ) or shed them and start working on more serious, and viable candidates that are willing to work with both sides of the isle.
that is the bitch about civil war.....you either reconcile and chose either adgenda(or a compromise?) or you GO your separate ways..

do you really think the TEa party is going to compromise on issues like marraige eqality and immigration reform??

those two are their bread and butter, as far as whipping their sheep into a state of hyteria, those and "they are coming for your guns".....

republican lawmakers, who arnt as loony, who want to stay with the brand, are having to pass an orthodoxy test to remain in office, they are ACTIVEly purging their party into a more REICH wing institution, everyday.
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No need to thank me your silence is enough.
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pot, meet kettle.
look, read the transcripts of the trials. read the findings. you'll see, maybe not understand, the applicability.
gee, looks like you failed to properly inform your side's chuckie with all your vast knowledge. that, or he chose to ignore you - some nutjob internet stranger that you are.
can you hear that last wheezing breaths your side is taking pal? press your little ear up harder to the door and you won't miss it. they're dieing off due to lack of oxygen.
good luck.
83% of people UNDER 30 approve of your right to get married and enjoy all the advantages(or bummers) that could include.

52% of rethuglicans UNDER 30 support gay marraige.

those still clutching this dying philosophy, will indeed be a dying breed from now on....

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Yes, those were done by people who were looking forward, not back
thank you for making my point.
Of course we look at the past, but we donít glorify it, we donít say that if something was true before, it has to be true now and in the future. We did exactly the opposite in every example you gave, by people that looked to a bright future, rather than wishing for some non-existent "gold old days"
You have trouble with critical thinking don't you?

Forward thinking? Our discussion has nothing to do with your meaningless buz words.

Each and every one of those changes went through the proper process as set forth in Article V. That is looking to and understanding the past. Today we want to completely ignore the Constitution unless we can twist and mangle it into some new form that was never intended. To expedite the process we ignore Article V, that's simply too much work, and circumvent the Constitution by running to any court that will "rule" that the Constitution says something it doesn't, then we claim it's Constitutional.

This is a product of this "living breathing" nonsense. The Constitution is the law, it does not change with social whims or public opinion. The ONLY way it changes is through the Amendment process set forth in Article V. This process was meant to be difficult and time cosuming to prevent quick and ill thought public opinionated whims from becoming law.

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perfect!!
you bring up the 17th amendment, and then I tell the everyone what is in it??
and you call me an idiot??
you sound like youd feel right at home at a "town hall meeting" that wasnt open to the public.
michigans actions are racist, and the party at large will not "graduate" the twentieth century, until they stop trying to keep black people from voting!!
these sort of action seem to backfire, see 1965, and 2012.
You're an idiot. You are ill equiped to educate anyone.

You still have no idea why the Senate was not designed to be elected by the general populous, and rather than go an educate yourself on the topic you immediately reply with more of your ignorant ranting.
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You have trouble with critical thinking don't you?
Forward thinking? Our discussion has nothing to do with your meaningless buz words.
Each and every one of those changes went through the proper process as set forth in Article V. That is looking to and understanding the past. Today we want to completely ignore the Constitution unless we can twist and mangle it into some new form that was never intended. To expedite the process we ignore Article V, that's simply too much work, and circumvent the Constitution by running to any court that will "rule" that the Constitution says something it doesn't, then we claim it's Constitutional.
This is a product of this "living breathing" nonsense. The Constitution is the law, it does not change with social whims or public opinion. The ONLY way it changes is through the Amendment process set forth in Article V. This process was meant to be difficult and time cosuming to prevent quick and ill thought public opinionated whims from becoming law.
that is the problem you guys cannot get over....

that we ALL have to follow some sort of invisible religious "common sense"

most of us think this is nonsense.

these are called 'religious beliefs" and the cobstituiton does indeed provide for a separation of church and state....in fact it is stated in the pre-amble.

public opinion does indeed drive the court......it is the whole reason this issue is coming to bear right now, you fool.

..........public support has gone from 23% to 58%.

why are you so simple??

go back to school, if you even believe in school.
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You're an idiot. You are ill equiped to educate anyone.
You still have no idea why the Senate was not designed to be elected by the general populous, and rather than go an educate yourself on the topic you immediately reply with more of your ignorant ranting.
Im getting the picture....

you like the original version of the constitution the best...

the one without all those pesky additions that came later.

if we left you guys alone on a date with the constitution??

we WOULD NOT get back anything recognizable.
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akpilot wrote:
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You have trouble with critical thinking don't you?
Forward thinking? Our discussion has nothing to do with your meaningless buz words.
Each and every one of those changes went through the proper process as set forth in Article V. That is looking to and understanding the past. Today we want to completely ignore the Constitution unless we can twist and mangle it into some new form that was never intended. To expedite the process we ignore Article V, that's simply too much work, and circumvent the Constitution by running to any court that will "rule" that the Constitution says something it doesn't, then we claim it's Constitutional.
This is a product of this "living breathing" nonsense. The Constitution is the law, it does not change with social whims or public opinion. The ONLY way it changes is through the Amendment process set forth in Article V. This process was meant to be difficult and time cosuming to prevent quick and ill thought public opinionated whims from becoming law.
Our founders disagreed with you, and created it as a document that could be changed and has been changed quite a number of times.

Yes it is meant to be difficult and time consuming and I think that is a good thing as well.

There are dramatic changes to that document, ones some of our founders would not have even imagined.

Some were mistakes, and reversed later

There is no question, it is an excellent document, and its power comes from the fact that it is a changeable document over the years.

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that is the problem you guys cannot get over....
that we ALL have to follow some sort of invisible religious "common sense"
most of us think this is nonsense.
these are called 'religious beliefs" and the cobstituiton does indeed provide for a separation of church and state....in fact it is stated in the pre-amble.
public opinion does indeed drive the court......it is the whole reason this issue is coming to bear right now, you fool.
..........public support has gone from 23% to 58%.
why are you so simple??
go back to school, if you even believe in school.
WTF are you talking about?

Are you having a conversation with me or the voices in your head?

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<quoted text>there are also things i like about it.....

either way???

you guys are not winning the presidncy for a LONG LONG time...

frankly, until you get on the right side of history, realize this is a VERY diverse country(not just diverse amongst white folk)

and become a party of INCLUSION instead of what i see presently, which is a party of exclusion, you are not going to be anything but a curiousity of the past, or in other words.......a relic.

as far as im concerned, those of you have hijacked your party(to the far right), can keep hijacking it until kingdom come.
Be careful what you say. Our politics swing like a pendulum. Eventually the "other" party takes over. It isn't because the "other" party has come up with a spectacular solution for the problems at hand, it is because the one with the most power has done such a spectactular job of disappointing us.

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I am indeed disappointed in Obama for not un-doing the republican created disasters faster than he did.( and in some cases still has not done )
It's fools like you that hold back this country fighting for one party and blaming one party for all the problems. And not seeing the damage from your own party lines.

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