Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 | Posted by: Topix | Full story: www.cnn.com

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Randy -Rock- Hudson

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<quoted text>Did Lincoln say repeatedly the war was not being fought over slavery? yes or no. Do you think after the Civil war blacks and whites were treated equal?
There is the issue with the 13th amendment, on January 11, 1864 the 13th amendment(which would effectively ban slavery) was proposed, in April, 1864 the bill was rejected(that's right REJECTED), so here is the problem, the Union(which apparently according to some people was fighting to end slavery) actually voted down the 1st anti-slavery amendment, and it wasn't until February 1, 1865 when they voted on it again(and this time it passed)
So if they were in fact fighting over slavery, why would they vote down the Amendment that personified their reason for fighting? it was because they weren't fighting over slavery.
Saying Slavery is the cause the civil war is an Oversimplification, basically people try to simplify the causes of the war down to 1 issue, which causes people to ignore all of the other issues, such as State authority over Federal authority(or in other words, States Rights)
While Slavery was an issue during the War, historically speaking, it was one of literally dozens(if not hundreds) of causes for the war. remember that at that time, everyone volunteered to go to war, which meant that all 3+Million people had their own individual reasons to fight, and yes some on both sides did fight for slavery, but some fought solely for States Rights as well
I've told him before that he lives in Never-Never-Land.
Did Lincoln say repeatedly the war was not being fought over slavery? yes or no. YES (X) or NO ().
Economics, purely.
Randy -Rock- Hudson

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What do you mean unlikely? Last time I checked there was something called the 14th amendment on the USA! Why the hell should I be denied equal marriage rights because I live in Pennsylvania? You know the Supreme Court ruled in 1967 that STATE bans on interracial marriage was unconstitutional. Marriage is a fundamental right!
No, it's not, it is decided by the particular state that you reside in. Read the Constitution sometime...
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Randy -Rock- Hudson wrote:
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I hate to do this, but I am saying it plainly. You are full of shit, there. That war was about economics, not humanitarianism. Slavery was a common practice. Lincoln's letter to Greely was a lie, eh? You were there and know that he didn't write it, yes? Liar. I had a lot of respect for you, but you just lost some of it, not that it matters. And, the word is "seceded". Not "succeeded".
you guys and your revisionism....

you crack me up.

running against all convention ON ALL issues.

your party has truly lost its way...

my advice is to ditch the social conservatives before its too late.

some of the things ive heard latley are just precious!!

in terms of entertainment value.

my favorite was reince prebus....

"our values are sound, we just have to reach out to people in minority groups and make them realize their values are the same as ours"

im paraphrasing, but the message is clear.

the rethuglicans need to rebrand their brainwashing efforts to sell an unpopular social and economic adgena.
Randy -Rock- Hudson

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Lying wonít help you, I didnít say it was one issue, I said every major issue, every cause of the secession ( quite a number of them ) was tied to the institution of slavery and the continuation of that institution.
That is a fact
For economic warfare, not due to bleeding hearts, as you implied.
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Has anyone heard from Kimare this afternoon? Was he called before the Supreme Court to offer his "brilliant" comments about male anal sex, cross-cultural constraint crapola and his deep understanding of "epigentics mistake"?
Gosh, having read the arguments presented and questions asked by the justices and I don't believe any of these notions were raised by either side.
LOSER!!!
Weren't you?
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Xavier Breath wrote:
<quoted text>...and that is the ONLY accepted legal definition, is it? How very odd..... Gay couples cannot consummate their marriages, yet they get married every day.... strange.
Someone is out of touch with reality.
Yes. And, clearly, that someone is you.
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Randy -Rock- Hudson wrote:
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And no-one ever points out how much money the Negroes made, selling their brethren into slavery. It's all about "hate the white man", all that that is. Remember the cry "Pharaoh, let my people go?"? The ancient Egyptians were a black race. Owning the lighter skinned Jews.$$, wherever you look.
who would ever take serious you or your party??

you guys think sharia law is invading the us, and hillary clintons aide is with the muslim brotherhood.

not to mention still being lost in birther land.

is obama a kenyan commo-facist?? or a islamo facsist...

could he be both??....ill bet he could, on the glen beck show.
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Randy -Rock- Hudson wrote:
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For economic warfare, not due to bleeding hearts, as you implied.
Yes even the economic part also was directly related to slavery.

I donít know if you are implying that there was not an abolitionist movement and that Lincoln was not directly connected to that movement before taking office, if you donít realize that you need to do some more reading in history

His involvement and election was directly involved in the first states succeeding as they know they would not be able to maintain an equal number of slave state with Lincoln as president
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William P wrote:
Please investigate the city of Glendora, CA the same way the city of Bell, CA was investigated.
This city is in serious jeopardy ever since a certain element took over and declared themselves KING,
I created a petition to Governor Jerry Brown and President Barack Obama which says:
"Please sign my petition to President Obama and Governor Jerry Brown asking them to order a thorough investigation of the city of Glendora, California the same way the city of Bell, California was investigated."
Will you sign this petition? Click here:
http://signon.org/sign/please-investigate-the ...
I would have, but it said this: "
Petition Not Available

This petition has been taken down.

Go to SignOn.org Home"
I'd sign any petition that comes from the people, asking for the government to look into grievances raised by it's citizens. but we both know that that will not happen.
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As reported some time ago, all efforts by the insiders deep in Glendora, California - city hall have backfired.

They have promoted people from the inside and out side city hall even hired through false pretenses and even she is failing, the single reason she was hired, she failed at that too! So they promoted her, what a waste.

The long and tall of it is that Chris Jeffers and Jeff Kugel are running Glendora, lets not leave out the cronies like Douglas Tessitor, Terry Kent, Gene Murabito, Judy Nelson, Gary Clifford, Joseph Santoro, D. Wayne Leech and Karen Davis.

They are running businesses out of Glendora at record pace.
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there is really no use in talking history with someone who didnt read it from the same taxt books as you and I did.
think of it as a texas school board of education, style curiculum....
ricardo is a bit weak on history and science(esp)
texas tea.
You're as much full of shit as D is.
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Says a simple mantra: ďItís better to beg for forgiveness than to ask for permission.Ē
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Sparkle wrote:
<quoted text>Stfu bigot
What's the matter, don't like the truth, razzle-dazzle?

“Vita e' Bella.”

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hemp for telelgraphs wrote:
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If the rethugs were silly enough to give bush the nomination??
he will get steamed rolled BY WHO EVER.
So the Democraps will nominate....?
but HIllary, on the other hand, will steamroll ANYONE who runs agianst her.
Hillarity will steamroll anyone....oh sure
im hoping you guys make good on your threat to nominate a "TRUE"
conservative, like santorum, palin or bachmann...
so you can see what it was like to be barry goldwater..
you thought 2012 was close?
mitt lost by 3 million votes...
because his campaign effort, s&&cked.
and your party's values stink badly.
Nah.....ya might say the wind blew in at just the right time to put Obama back in.

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hemp for telelgraphs wrote:
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how is that??
im not gay, but im a crusader against ALL bigotry.
Even bigotry from the left? Are you a caped crusader?
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Not far from true.
Lincoln quotes you never saw in the history books:
""I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races - that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything."
"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause."
"Do the people of the south really entertain fears that a Republican administration would, directly or indirectly, interfere with their slaves, or with them, about their slaves? If they do, I wish to assure you, as once a friend, and still, I hope, not an enemy, there is no cause for such fears."- Letter to Alexander Stephens
Other little Lincoln tid-bits you didn't hear about in school:
- July 1861- General Freeman declares martial law in Missouri, declares all slaves held by owners whom oppose the Union are free. Lincoln cancels the order. As a result Congress passes the Confiscation Act.
-May 1862, General David Hunter issued an order declaring all slaves in Georgia, Florida and South Carolina to be free. Lincoln again revokes the order. Congress again responds by passing the SECOND Confiscation Act.
They also won't tell you that Lincoln felt that the freed slaves should be COLONIZED elsewhere. Yup, he was looking to send the black out of the US. Congress even passed a bill to spend $100,000 to :
"to be expended under the direction of the President of the United States, to aid in the colonization and settlement of such free persons of African descent now residing in said District, including those to be liberated by this act, as may desire to emigrate to the Republic of Haiti or Liberia, or such other country beyond the limits of the United States as the President may determine."
Yeah, Lincoln the "great emancipator".
Excellent work, sir, I am humbled. I only gave a generalized account of the War, You provided hard facts. Salute.
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Pietro Armando wrote:
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So the Democraps will nominate....?
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Hillarity will steamroll anyone....oh sure
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Nah.....ya might say the wind blew in at just the right time to put Obama back in.
as the landscape looks right now, yeah steamroll anyone

Obama's second term was the change to defeat a democrat, but Romney had to dance to the right to get the nomination and so lost the general.

A lot can change between now and then, but the snapshot nowÖ Hillary would win in a walk
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The definitions that I've seen say nothing about man and woman. They have simply said "spouses".
That's because, in the Age Of Reason, when reason prevailed, "spouses" was understood to mean man and woman. Anything else?
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Big D wrote:
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the supreme court does, and did, I am glad they agreed with me
No, you agreed with them, they did not consult with you first. Therefore, they did not agree with you. They're not even aware of you.
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hemp for telelgraphs wrote:
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as far as i an see??
you are just a bigot...
Then, buy some glasses, the Constitution allows for us to have differing opinions, else it would have mandated that those of us do not toe the party line be branded as "bigots". Funny, last time I read the old Document, it didn't order us to agree. Dumb-ass. You're the bigot, looking down your nose at someone for disagreeing with you. You're the bigot.

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