Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

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A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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heartandmind

Moline, IL

#183836 Mar 19, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
and those rules apply to those that choose to follow your religion... and no one else.
Big D, how's it going these days?

I see you're still up here, making excellent points and making complete sense. Good for you! You certainly have more patiene than I.

Since: Nov 11

United States

#183837 Mar 19, 2013
GoingGoing wrote:
Current U.S. Census data shows that 1,135 of the nation's 3,143 counties are now experiencing "natural decrease," where deaths exceed births.

That's up from roughly 880 U.S. counties, or 1 in 4, since 2009.

This data trend is already apparent in Japan and many European nations.

Now this natural decrease is evident in large swaths of the U.S., much of it in rural areas or sections of the USA.
Correct!

But Muslims are making up the difference!

We should have ZERO Muslim immigration, not a continued open door to potential enemies.

But as a recent Pew study showed, more Muslims is what we are getting. A disturbing major point is that the world’s Muslim population will grow at double the rate of non-Muslims over the next 20 years. Demography is merciless, and history has shown that the higher the proportion of Muslims in a country, the worse the social conflict.

The main page for the Pew report is The Future of the Global Muslim Population, Projections for 2010-2030.

commonpeeps

Monrovia, CA

#183838 Mar 19, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Another fair-weather friend:
The question of marriage is one that historically has been left to the states....
I believe gay and lesbian couples should have the same rights and responsibilities as all Americans and that civil unions are the best way to achieve this goal...
Hillary Clinton
http://www.politico.com/pdf/PPM42_benhrc.pdf
m Oh yeah, and she's asking for your vote also when she runs for president.Promises promises.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#183839 Mar 19, 2013
heartandmind wrote:
<quoted text>
Big D, how's it going these days?
I see you're still up here, making excellent points and making complete sense. Good for you! You certainly have more patiene than I.
It is funny you say that, because I am not known for patience.

Maybe it is just that I get a lot of enjoyment watching the extreme religious right wriggle in their own contradictions.

They have become the center of hate, the center of intolerance, the center of bigotry, everything that they used to oppose when I was younger. The world has grown, and they are shrinking, but they won’t go quietly, and the louder they shout, the more obvious their shortcomings are.
Ronald

Long Beach, CA

#183840 Mar 19, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
and those rules apply to those that choose to follow your religion... and no one else.
Big D.

Exactly. It is always darkest before the dawn. According to the historical record:

"Remember this, and shew yourselves men: bring it again to mind, O ye transgressors." (Isaiah 46:8)

"Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me," (Isaiah 46:9)

"Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:" (Isaiah 46:10)

"Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.(Revelation 12:12)

"And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child." (Revelation 12:13)

"And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." (Revelation 12:17)

"Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake." (Matthew 24:9)

"And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another." (Matthew 24:10)

"And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many." (Matthew 24:11)

"And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold." (Matthew 24:12)

"But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved." (Matthew 24:13)

Ronald
Big D

Modesto, CA

#183842 Mar 19, 2013
Ronald wrote:
<quoted text>
Big D.
Exactly. It is always darkest before the dawn. According to the historical record:
"Remember this, and shew yourselves men: bring it again to mind, O ye transgressors." (Isaiah 46:8)
"Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me," (Isaiah 46:9)
"Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:" (Isaiah 46:10)
"Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.(Revelation 12:12)
"And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child." (Revelation 12:13)
"And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." (Revelation 12:17)
"Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake." (Matthew 24:9)
"And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another." (Matthew 24:10)
"And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many." (Matthew 24:11)
"And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold." (Matthew 24:12)
"But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved." (Matthew 24:13)
Ronald
You can stop quoting your bible, I have read it, and the Koran, and parts of the Talmud, and much of the Bagividad Ggita and several other religious works

I view all of them about the same, right along with worshipers of a volcano and natives dancing naked around a fire.

The darkness is indeed passing the religious bigotry of the middle ages is finally being swept aside, it is long past time that man put aside his reliance on religion.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#183843 Mar 19, 2013
Big D wrote:
The argument in the country is starting to change, anyone notice.
Now that 11 states and one district recognize SSM, the argument is now, why are same sex couples treated differently in one state than another, isn’t freedom for all Americans?
Perfect :)
Or just because a few states have redefined marriage in their states, why should they have to as well, when the voters of the latter states said no?
That is now what businesses are asking the federal government, they are saying it is a business imperative that they be able to attract and move the best people for the job from state to state regardless of their orientation, that SSM needs to be recognized nationally.


Uh huh....so they can't get the best people without nationwide SSM? Sigh.....
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#183844 Mar 19, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
It is funny you say that, because I am not known for patience.
Maybe it is just that I get a lot of enjoyment watching the extreme religious right wriggle in their own contradictions.
They have become the center of hate, the center of intolerance, the center of bigotry, everything that they used to oppose when I was younger. The world has grown, and they are shrinking, but they won’t go quietly, and the louder they shout, the more obvious their shortcomings are.
considering the GOP just had their big pow-wow and discussed their relevancy, or ability to attract votes, maybe they're starting to get some sort of a message drilled into their noggins.

it is fun watching the flailing "butbutbut" responses that usually don't really address the points made.

years ago, i voted republican. i just can't do it anymore. after the 80s and listening to people in my area of the country when they spoke of "those people" in the ways that they did conflicted with what i was taught at home and at church on how to treat those less fortunate than myself. and that was just for starters.

keep up the good work, big d. maybe the people you're addressing directly don't get the thoughts you're conveying, or the facts you're conveying, but maybe the lurkers or those that are just skimming through here are getting something about what you're talking about in your posts. that's the only thing that i can keep in mind when i respond to the likes of brian_g (now for going on about 3 yrs or so). that guy is stuck on a record and repeats himself in cycles without actually addressng anything that's asked or stated. he just keeps plopping in those bumpersticker comments that don't really do anything except make himself feel good.

anyway, i just popped into this thread for a quick look to see if anything had changed & i see nothing has. still folks trying to derail the conversation and divert it into something about polygamy or their religious take on what the laws should be.

good luck, big d. i do admire your clarity of thought and your manner of expressing your thoughts.
Ronald

Long Beach, CA

#183845 Mar 19, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
You can stop quoting your bible, I have read it, and the Koran, and parts of the Talmud, and much of the Bagividad Ggita and several other religious works
I view all of them about the same, right along with worshipers of a volcano and natives dancing naked around a fire.
The darkness is indeed passing the religious bigotry of the middle ages is finally being swept aside, it is long past time that man put aside his reliance on religion.
Big D.

Yes. The Bible might as well have been addressing the issue of today's multicultural diversityist when God inspired to be written:

"Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts." (Isaiah 28:9)

"For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:" (Isaiah 28:10)

"This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come." (2 Timothy 3:1)

"Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." (2 Timothy 3:7)

Ronald

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#183848 Mar 19, 2013
Ronald wrote:
<quoted text>
Big D.
Yes. The Bible might as well have been addressing the issue of today's
We're not a theocracy, stud. We're a democratic republic.
ForgRats

La Puente, CA

#183849 Mar 19, 2013
All those ForgRats from teh RNC, GOP, Republican and Tea Party fanggers.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#183850 Mar 19, 2013
heartandmind wrote:
<quoted text>
considering the GOP just had their big pow-wow and discussed their relevancy, or ability to attract votes, maybe they're starting to get some sort of a message drilled into their noggins.
it is fun watching the flailing "butbutbut" responses that usually don't really address the points made.
years ago, i voted republican. i just can't do it anymore. after the 80s and listening to people in my area of the country when they spoke of "those people" in the ways that they did conflicted with what i was taught at home and at church on how to treat those less fortunate than myself. and that was just for starters.
keep up the good work, big d. maybe the people you're addressing directly don't get the thoughts you're conveying, or the facts you're conveying, but maybe the lurkers or those that are just skimming through here are getting something about what you're talking about in your posts. that's the only thing that i can keep in mind when i respond to the likes of brian_g (now for going on about 3 yrs or so). that guy is stuck on a record and repeats himself in cycles without actually addressng anything that's asked or stated. he just keeps plopping in those bumpersticker comments that don't really do anything except make himself feel good.
anyway, i just popped into this thread for a quick look to see if anything had changed & i see nothing has. still folks trying to derail the conversation and divert it into something about polygamy or their religious take on what the laws should be.
good luck, big d. i do admire your clarity of thought and your manner of expressing your thoughts.
Big D isn't always clear either in thought or expression. Brian G. brings up aspects that others who support SSM simply don't like. Its simply two different ways of looking at the issue. One side says "husband and wife" to the exclusion of all others, the other side says "spouses for life" regardless of gender composition, and exclusivity.
ForgRats

La Puente, CA

#183851 Mar 19, 2013
Just pack it in and eat on another pile of rat dropings.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#183852 Mar 19, 2013
Apollo11911 wrote:
<quoted text>Hi Ronnie, the laws in this nation are not based on your book of 10,000 lies.
From the mouth of "I am a God". Nice.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#183853 Mar 19, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
<quoted text>
Big D isn't always clear either in thought or expression. Brian G. brings up aspects that others who support SSM simply don't like. Its simply two different ways of looking at the issue. One side says "husband and wife" to the exclusion of all others, the other side says "spouses for life" regardless of gender composition, and exclusivity.
You don’t comprehend it, but other people do.

In fact the majority of Americans do
Big D

Modesto, CA

#183854 Mar 19, 2013
Apollo11911 wrote:
<quoted text>Hi Ronnie, the laws in this nation are not based on your book of 10,000 lies.
Yes, in fact the father of the American revolution actually wrote it in a signed government document when he became president that we were in no way founded upon the Christian religion.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#183855 Mar 19, 2013
Dusty Mangina wrote:
<quoted text>
We're not a theocracy, stud. We're a democratic republic.
Good grief... someone got it right!:)

We are indeed
Ronald

Long Beach, CA

#183856 Mar 19, 2013
Apollo11911 wrote:
<quoted text>Hi Ronnie, the laws in this nation are not based on your book of 10,000 lies.
Apollo11911.

Yes. That is the prevailing myth that the Godless "Liberals" have been increasingly promoting ever since the Republicans undermined States rights by inflicting their 14th Amendment upon the nation. The fact is, though, we are a nation of States. All of our State Constitutions express their purpose that our people might be free to worship and to enjoy the many blessings of God.

Source: http://tinyurl.com/c5sxpt4

Even prior to the States being formed, then existing entities were all - without exception - dedicated for the purpose of glorifying God. That fact was common knowledge until the Godless "Liberals" used the Republican's infamous 14th Amendment for the purpose of "dumbing down" American education in Brown v Topeka Board of Ed.

Source: http://tinyurl.com/rhts

Ronald
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#183857 Mar 19, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
So if a gay person marries, of their own free will, some one of the opposite sex, are they a first class, or second class citizen?
Would you like a gay man to marry your daughter?
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#183858 Mar 19, 2013
martinezjosei wrote:
<quoted text>
Correct!
But Muslims are making up the difference!
We should have ZERO Muslim immigration, not a continued open door to potential enemies.
You do realize we have freedom of religion in the USA, don't you?

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