Christians in Fayette County
joe

United States

#143 Feb 13, 2013
Bev Grey wrote:
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God speaks to all of His children if they listen. And alot of times, even we don't listen.We think we know what's better for us the He does.
And no, Im supposing the Muslims that flew their planes into our buildings did so because they were following man, not God (nor following a living God)!
I use to be in a cult until I accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior! Then I became Free Indeed!
Well if you really think about it, maybe from one cult to another??Anyway its getting to the point of just going in circles here,but a few issues i would like input on, truth2 mentioned it earlier, free will, gods free will is, you believe in me without evidence or become a crispy critter? A bank robbers free will is give me your money or die? Neither one is free will really?Force? My second point would be, would you rather be around dumb people (plp to dumb to believe) or child rapers and murderers? They can go to heaven? Right? Just ask for forgiveness? Dumb people(no way only fire n brimstone for us?? Just dont seen right? Third point, several posters seem to have a hot line to god and alot of faith in prayer, well then pray real hard to end, wars, disease, famine, hunger, natural disasters and suffering, in the world. It just seems to me when religion enters the human brain, common sense and reasoning have to go, but it has to for religion to survive?? John Lennon had it right with the song Imagine , you tube with lyrics, peace n best wishes. One last question,, when is it ok to leave a male child alone with a catholic priest????

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#144 Feb 13, 2013
joe wrote:
<quoted text>Well if you really think about it, maybe from one cult to another??Anyway its getting to the point of just going in circles here,but a few issues i would like input on, truth2 mentioned it earlier, free will, gods free will is, you believe in me without evidence or become a crispy critter? A bank robbers free will is give me your money or die? Neither one is free will really?Force? My second point would be, would you rather be around dumb people (plp to dumb to believe) or child rapers and murderers? They can go to heaven? Right? Just ask for forgiveness? Dumb people(no way only fire n brimstone for us?? Just dont seen right? Third point, several posters seem to have a hot line to god and alot of faith in prayer, well then pray real hard to end, wars, disease, famine, hunger, natural disasters and suffering, in the world. It just seems to me when religion enters the human brain, common sense and reasoning have to go, but it has to for religion to survive?? John Lennon had it right with the song Imagine , you tube with lyrics, peace n best wishes. One last question,, when is it ok to leave a male child alone with a catholic priest????
As I pointed out Sir, their is evidence of God....you will experience such when you sincerely seek him for salvation. I can only tell you that I was where you were with the very same questions, the same outlook, the same disbeliefs!
When I actually experienced the change in my heart; the evidence you seek is there Joe.
Man makes war, man kills, man destroys and it's all because of lack of love, and lack of God in their hearts. God is not "religion". Christianity is a personal relationship between God and each of his children.
Religion comes from man and man doesn't know diddlety squat; as we can see what he's done to this world, and still doing.
I didn't say it was ok to leave any child alone w any adult! I've never allowed that w my children. I know better!
I was abused by my own Dad!
truth2

Beckley, WV

#145 Feb 13, 2013
Bev Grey wrote:
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As I pointed out Sir, their is evidence of God....you will experience such when you sincerely seek him for salvation. I can only tell you that I was where you were with the very same questions, the same outlook, the same disbeliefs!
When I actually experienced the change in my heart; the evidence you seek is there Joe.
Man makes war, man kills, man destroys and it's all because of lack of love, and lack of God in their hearts. God is not "religion". Christianity is a personal relationship between God and each of his children.
Religion comes from man and man doesn't know diddlety squat; as we can see what he's done to this world, and still doing.
I didn't say it was ok to leave any child alone w any adult! I've never allowed that w my children. I know better!
I was abused by my own Dad!
I think you are over stretching. I am a man and God is not in my heart,yet I do not make war,I do not kill and I do not destroy,so your statement is faulted.

Pat Robertson often speaks about his conversations with God, yet quite often he says he is not sure what God is saying. Therefore I have to conclude that God has not mastered the English language,else Mr. Robertson is not being truthful.

Seriously when you speak to God can you hear his voice or is it within your mind only? The human mind allows us too retrieve and hear voices all the way back to our childhood.

You say that your father abused you and I hear that quite often from the distaff side. What exactly is your definition of abuse? Would you consider a spanking or maybe going to bed without dinner as abuses?

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#146 Feb 13, 2013
truth2 wrote:
<quoted text>I think you are over stretching. I am a man and God is not in my heart,yet I do not make war,I do not kill and I do not destroy,so your statement is faulted.

Pat Robertson often speaks about his conversations with God, yet quite often he says he is not sure what God is saying. Therefore I have to conclude that God has not mastered the English language,else Mr. Robertson is not being truthful.

Seriously when you speak to God can you hear his voice or is it within your mind only? The human mind allows us too retrieve and hear voices all the way back to our childhood.

You say that your father abused you and I hear that quite often from the distaff side. What exactly is your definition of abuse? Would you consider a spanking or maybe going to bed without dinner as abuses?
I didn't say ALL men are bad...I just said man does bad things because of the abundance of evil in our hearts; and yes it is from lack of spirituality.
And my guess is that as many Christians, although I can't speak for Mr Robertson....we cannot claim to understand all of God ways because we do not have the mind of God and will only know all the answers we seek when we come face to face w Him in His heaven.
Sometimes I hear a voice but oftentimes it's a feeling or an "answer", if u will that a child of God knows it is their Heavenly Father speaking to them. He is the only one knowledgeable of what is going on in my head...as to the answer Im seeking.
And yes...my father sexually abused me for 12 yrs....what would you call that, truth2?
Rape, every night for 12 yrs....fun n games for you?
truth2

Beckley, WV

#147 Feb 13, 2013
Bev Grey wrote:
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I didn't say ALL men are bad...I just said man does bad things because of the abundance of evil in our hearts; and yes it is from lack of spirituality.
And my guess is that as many Christians, although I can't speak for Mr Robertson....we cannot claim to understand all of God ways because we do not have the mind of God and will only know all the answers we seek when we come face to face w Him in His heaven.
Sometimes I hear a voice but oftentimes it's a feeling or an "answer", if u will that a child of God knows it is their Heavenly Father speaking to them. He is the only one knowledgeable of what is going on in my head...as to the answer Im seeking.
And yes...my father sexually abused me for 12 yrs....what would you call that, truth2?
Rape, every night for 12 yrs....fun n games for you?
Rape and incest is a most despicable thing and I have to wonder why you would even refer to him as Dad. As for the fun and games comment,you were a little to quick to judge me but I understand.

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#148 Feb 13, 2013
truth2 wrote:
<quoted text>Rape and incest is a most despicable thing and I have to wonder why you would even refer to him as Dad. As for the fun and games comment,you were a little to quick to judge me but I understand.
Truth2 said, "You say that your father abused you and I hear that quite often from the distaff side. What exactly is your definition of abuse? Would you consider a spanking or maybe going to bed without dinner as abuses?"

That sounded pretty judgemental to me as well sweetheart; so perhaps mutual apologies are in order! ;)

Accepted of course!
joe

United States

#149 Feb 13, 2013
I strongly urge anyone, that is hearing voices to please seek professional help asap, this can become a serious problem. Andrea Yates also heard voices, and thought god was talking to her and ended up murdering 5 innocent little kids.There are no supernatural beings talking to you, or anybody else, all the televangelist, they just tell you they do, just scammers fleecing you out of your money, look at the lifestyle they live, n promise you, yours will come in the afterlife. Religion, common sense and reason are like oil and water, they just dont mix, and you cant have both. With over 7 billion humans on earth, why do you feel god talks to you??

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#150 Feb 13, 2013
joe wrote:
I strongly urge anyone, that is hearing voices to please seek professional help asap, this can become a serious problem. Andrea Yates also heard voices, and thought god was talking to her and ended up murdering 5 innocent little kids.There are no supernatural beings talking to you, or anybody else, all the televangelist, they just tell you they do, just scammers fleecing you out of your money, look at the lifestyle they live, n promise you, yours will come in the afterlife. Religion, common sense and reason are like oil and water, they just dont mix, and you cant have both. With over 7 billion humans on earth, why do you feel god talks to you??
Lmbo! To reiterate Joe, God is omnipotent...He talks to all of His children. SMH.... Lol
truth2

Beckley, WV

#151 Feb 13, 2013
Bev Grey wrote:
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Truth2 said, "You say that your father abused you and I hear that quite often from the distaff side. What exactly is your definition of abuse? Would you consider a spanking or maybe going to bed without dinner as abuses?"
That sounded pretty judgemental to me as well sweetheart; so perhaps mutual apologies are in order! ;)
Accepted of course!
I did not mean to be judgemental. My thought at the time was that these days some kids think that they have been 'mentally' abused by their parents. Had you said sexually abused I would never have questioned it. Miscommunication is alive and well in the English language.

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#152 Feb 13, 2013
truth2 wrote:
<quoted text>I did not mean to be judgemental. My thought at the time was that these days some kids think that they have been 'mentally' abused by their parents. Had you said sexually abused I would never have questioned it. Miscommunication is alive and well in the English language.
Absolutely it is!😉
joe

United States

#153 Feb 13, 2013
Lets assume for a bit, that the bible is fact and god is real, lets look at the one event The great flood, god murdered every, man, woman, child and every living creature, with the exception of supposedly noah, etc? Back then i would assume the world population was a fraction of what it is now, how bad could it have been? Worse than today? Doubt it, but still murdered them all. Now lets look at some numbers today, earths population 7+billion of that 2.2 billion christians which leaves 4.8 billion humans, including 137 million athesist all going to hell?? So if god is a loving god,, why not make himself available to the rest of the world??? Either make believe, or he just dont give a crap and is evil. There is no way anybody or thing could be this cruel, but lets assume hes real,,,, why would any thinking person want to be associated with him, he makes charlie manson look like a saint.???? So i am so happy its just all make believe,, really scary if someone was that evil? PS compared to god, what could satan have done that was worse?

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Beckley, WV

#154 Feb 13, 2013
Well Joe, He has made himself available to the whole world. Anyone on earth is able to have a close relationship with God. Free will (which is God-given as well) let's each person accept Him or reject Him. Everyday we make that choice to reject or accept God. Just because we see ourselves as fair, just and righteous does not mean that God sees us the same. One may say, "that seems a little harsh from a loving God" But if one thinks about it, when was the last time you were nice to Him? When was the last time you respected Him? When was the last time you put Him first before yourself? God will not make you love Him. But when you CHOOSE to love Him and follow His commandments, you then will begin to feel the blessings of His love.
toney

Huntington, WV

#155 Feb 13, 2013
God cleaned the world of horrible beings and he is going to do it again with fire. My question is what is going to happen to you if you believe he is real and died for your sins and he is not real. The same thing. So why chance it and you will be protected one way and if not oh well nothing changes. You probably play the lottery and have never won. Why do you play the lottery? I don't like playing Russian roulette with my soul.
joe

United States

#156 Feb 13, 2013
toney wrote:
God cleaned the world of horrible beings and he is going to do it again with fire. My question is what is going to happen to you if you believe he is real and died for your sins and he is not real. The same thing. So why chance it and you will be protected one way and if not oh well nothing changes. You probably play the lottery and have never won. Why do you play the lottery? I don't like playing Russian roulette with my soul.
I think you are refering to pascals wager,?? http://www.rejectionofpascalswager.net/pascal...
joe

United States

#157 Feb 13, 2013
penguy wrote:
Well Joe, He has made himself available to the whole world. Anyone on earth is able to have a close relationship with God. Free will (which is God-given as well) let's each person accept Him or reject Him. Everyday we make that choice to reject or accept God. Just because we see ourselves as fair, just and righteous does not mean that God sees us the same. One may say, "that seems a little harsh from a loving God" But if one thinks about it, when was the last time you were nice to Him? When was the last time you respected Him? When was the last time you put Him first before yourself? God will not make you love Him. But when you CHOOSE to love Him and follow His commandments, you then will begin to feel the blessings of His love.
Once again, how is it free will? If a robber puts a gun to your head and demands your wallet, do you have free will to hand it over? Seems like force? Same with god, you believe in me on bad evidence or burn in hell? So this is free will???? Once again, we dont have to worry about it, its all imaginary, no heaven, no gods, no satan, no hell, just the here n now so make the best of it and do something to help a fellow human, because they are actually real.
pope

United States

#158 Feb 13, 2013
toney wrote:
God cleaned the world of horrible beings and he is going to do it again with fire. My question is what is going to happen to you if you believe he is real and died for your sins and he is not real. The same thing. So why chance it and you will be protected one way and if not oh well nothing changes. You probably play the lottery and have never won. Why do you play the lottery? I don't like playing Russian roulette with my soul.
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#159 Feb 13, 2013
joe wrote:
<quoted text>Once again, how is it free will? If a robber puts a gun to your head and demands your wallet, do you have free will to hand it over? Seems like force? Same with god, you believe in me on bad evidence or burn in hell? So this is free will???? Once again, we dont have to worry about it, its all imaginary, no heaven, no gods, no satan, no hell, just the here n now so make the best of it and do something to help a fellow human, because they are actually real.
Bad evidence? ROFLMBO! That's just your opinion; not ALL MEN'S! SMH!
You aren't going to notice Satan giving you any trouble at all until you try to start living for your Heavenly Father. That's when you will know where you've come from!
You have to think w a spiritual mind in order to gain the knowledge you seek.

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Beckley, WV

#160 Feb 14, 2013
joe wrote:
<quoted text> Once again, how is it free will? If a robber puts a gun to your head and demands your wallet, do you have free will to hand it over? Seems like force? Same with god, you believe in me on bad evidence or burn in hell? So this is free will???? Once again, we dont have to worry about it, its all imaginary, no heaven, no gods, no satan, no hell, just the here n now so make the best of it and do something to help a fellow human, because they are actually real.
Not sure where your getting "bad evidence". The Bible is full of the realness of God. If that isn't enough, then try talking to a Christian about what all God has done for them, what all God has carried them through - given them strength in times of weakness. How He has personally touched their lives. I know personally, that my life was a train wreck before I received Christ. He saved me from myself.
joe

United States

#161 Feb 14, 2013
penguy wrote:
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Not sure where your getting "bad evidence". The Bible is full of the realness of God. If that isn't enough, then try talking to a Christian about what all God has done for them, what all God has carried them through - given them strength in times of weakness. How He has personally touched their lives. I know personally, that my life was a train wreck before I received Christ. He saved me from myself.
Is it possible that you just underestimated yourself and your own strength and will? Possible you straightened your own life out?

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Beckley, WV

#162 Feb 14, 2013
I find it very hard to believe that it was purely myself doing this. It didn't start until after I began going to church with my mother (I admit in the beginning it was just to appease her). Something began to grow inside my heart, I began to see things differently than I had ever before. I began to be drawn to His Word and studying it.

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