Christians in Fayette County
joe

United States

#43 Jan 25, 2013
Gods awesome sidekick wrote:
That's ok. To point # 1,You're missing out on some pretty interesting stuff. Point #2 you should read "heaven is real" from Newsweek magazine. He was a scientific critical thinker like you. Point #to3 I didn't say you were vile or evil, just hateful and wanting to argue. Sorry if that offended you; I assumed you were trying to hatefully argue. point #4 That's an interesting explanation, not a good one, just interesting.#5 We'll see #6 We'll have to wait and see for that one too
Didnt mean to sound hateful just like to figure out why other people think the things they do. I am a very happy person and very comfortable with the fact that when i die, i am dead, end of the road, finished. That is just nature, everything that is born, will die, everything that lives will eventually die. Humans think that we are way more important than we really are in the grand scheme of universe, we are nothing. Just trying to undetstand you, what makes you think the earth is cursed? Also christians believe the earth was created apprrox 6000 years ago? Explain oil or coal, they take millions of years to transform from vegetation, dinosaur fossils, from millions of years ago. Religion causes way more harm than good, other people around the world believe in their religion just as much as you believe in your beliefs and kill in the name of religion and god, christians are just as guilty. Religion divides people, n gives them a reason to kill each other over imaginary gods, people need to get away from all them beliefs from the dark ages, we know better know, or should.
joe

United States

#44 Jan 25, 2013
Christian Identity wrote:
In Identity and in several Hebrew texts, the Apple Story is a lot different. Adam which if you look in a Strong's Concordance the word Adam translates in Hebrew to ''show blood in the face'' to be of ''ruddy complexion''. The only race of people who can blush are Caucasoid(White People). Adam was white a white man and father of the White Race.
Also in Gen 3:15, God says I will put emnity/hatred between her seed and his seed. Him being Satan and Her being Eve, and seed being Children. So Satan and Eve had sex and she was pregnant with Satan's child and Adams Child, and god said he would put hatred between them.
Cain being the seed/child of Satan and Able being the child of Adam. We know how that turned out. Cain was banished into the land of Nod. And he was worried about being killed by others. Now if Adam and Eve and Cain and Able were the only people on earth why was Cain worried about being killed by someone in the land of Nod. Not only that but he met a wife outside of Eden in the land of Nod.
So there were other people and other races beside Adam and Eve, much older and Ancient races on earth beside the white race/Gods true chosen people the true Israelites. Race mixing is Rampant in Fayette county, drug use, prostitution, sexually transmitted diseases.
You may say what you like about the Bible or God or the Christians of this county, most of them are teaching a doctrine everyone is equal and anything is ok, and also putting people down instead of building them up. So stay with your won race, get off drugs be as strong as you possibly can be phyiscally, mentally spiritually and learn the truth about god you can't go wrong.
ok for one, i am not on drugs, for two i do work out n stay in shape, and i know the truth about god, there are none, never have been, never will be. Seriously CI you are just joking about believing all this crap? Right ?? If not, why would any intelligent person believe all this? I bet your answer is because the bible says so right? Didnt the bible also say slavery was right?
Christian Identity

Sophia, WV

#45 Jan 25, 2013
Well lets talk about belief and faith. The way belief works is, someone states a claim, then evidence must be provided, when evidence is provided then certainty happens and when a person is certain about the evidence of the claim they have a belief.

Now lets talk on faith. Someone states a claim, after that claim is stated then desire/unseen evidence of the claim happens, then from desire then hope happens then we have faith. Faith comes from the hope and desire of a claim to be true and fortified by evidence that is unseen.

Now when someone makes a claim, the first thing I look for is evidence, seen or unseen. So if I say I believe or have faith in a God. That means I have either evidence of the seen or unseen and that gives me hope or certainty and I have a belief or faith or both.

Now when I make a claim there are drug addicts, a large portion of people who have sexually transmitted diseases and prostitution. I then look for evidence, and that evidence is in the newspaper, it's in emergency rooms and it's especially at the methadone clinic in beaver when you see troves of people looking like they are waiting in line for tickle me elmo was brand new in 2000's during christmas.

Seeing that evidence gives me certainty that these things are really happening and I start to believe there is a problem. And when I look for a solution to help people and save lives, despite the odds and the evidence that these people are lost and should be cast aside.

I listen to the claim that God is the answer. I look for evidence that God can help, I then begin to get hope, then when I see that People are being healed and turning it all around. then I get certainty and then I believe.
joe

United States

#46 Jan 25, 2013
Christian Identity wrote:
Well lets talk about belief and faith. The way belief works is, someone states a claim, then evidence must be provided, when evidence is provided then certainty happens and when a person is certain about the evidence of the claim they have a belief.
Now lets talk on faith. Someone states a claim, after that claim is stated then desire/unseen evidence of the claim happens, then from desire then hope happens then we have faith. Faith comes from the hope and desire of a claim to be true and fortified by evidence that is unseen.
Now when someone makes a claim, the first thing I look for is evidence, seen or unseen. So if I say I believe or have faith in a God. That means I have either evidence of the seen or unseen and that gives me hope or certainty and I have a belief or faith or both.
Now when I make a claim there are drug addicts, a large portion of people who have sexually transmitted diseases and prostitution. I then look for evidence, and that evidence is in the newspaper, it's in emergency rooms and it's especially at the methadone clinic in beaver when you see troves of people looking like they are waiting in line for tickle me elmo was brand new in 2000's during christmas.
Seeing that evidence gives me certainty that these things are really happening and I start to believe there is a problem. And when I look for a solution to help people and save lives, despite the odds and the evidence that these people are lost and should be cast aside.
I listen to the claim that God is the answer. I look for evidence that God can help, I then begin to get hope, then when I see that People are being healed and turning it all around. then I get certainty and then I believe.
ok if a person has faith in god, absolute 100% faith, no doubt , lets say you were in a bad car accident and you had an arm severed with heavy blood loss,you could sit there and pray all you want,and it wont do you a bit of good, if you dont get medical help your dead. So why pray. Same thing with the snake handling preacher just a while,got bit, thought god would take care of him, he died, and if he would have used common sense and got medical treatment he would probably be alive today. I have faith to,like that the sun will come up again, things i can actually see. Do you think the 911 high jackers all went to heaven and were rewarded with 70 virgins?? Probably not? Well thats what they had faith in.

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Christian Identity

Sophia, WV

#47 Jan 26, 2013
Well let me ask you this, If you are laying on that road, and your arm is severed and your going to die, you know it, and lets even say the paramedics do show up, they even say your going to die. You yourself know the evidence says you going to die, not only that but you hear the medical professionals say your going to die. All the evidence is pointing against you, no hope. What else do you have to operate on but Faith? Because the natural world says your going to die.

The Snake handling preacher went off of a scripture in Mark 16: 17-18, it never says don't seek medical attention, it never says to play or grasp poisonus snakes. No evidence to support his actions. And I can't speak for him. Same thing if you have someone with your last name, you may not think the same way they do, you may not do the same things they do, you may not even condone their actions, you may not even know them. The only thing you share is a name. that does not make you them.

And evidence of things unseen which is in Heb 11:1 speak of this. I can relate it to air, you nor I can see air, but I guarentee your suckin away right now as I type this for your next breath cause you got faith it's going to be there.

We all have faith in one degree or another, even taking the stance of having no faith whatsoever is a faith in itself. By typing in this forum you yourself are proselytizing by providing evidence why there is no God, and even negatively commenting on faith that opposes your own. That is the same way of operating of those you oppose.

And as far as the virgins, it was supposed to be 72, and that passage is not in the Qur'an. You would figure if your going to commit a suicidal act you would wanna see where in the contract it says when where and how this payment is going to be received. lol

The end of the day , you have to pick what your beliefs are. Because everything we say can be contradicted.
Noneya

Oak Hill, WV

#48 Jan 26, 2013
Joe I believe I did put the blame where it belongs, on people. The only difference between what your saying and what I'm saying is that I believe all bad in this world, including mental illness, i.e. disease, began when Satan was cast out of heaven. You are entitled to your beliefs and if you choose to believe nothing exists after death that's ok. I'm not trying to force Christianity down your throat just giving a different view point. The difference between God and Santa Claus is that we HAVE documented evidence of the existence of God through a book that is thousands of years old. It is written history. You will find it in the non-fiction section of your library. That much I'm sure is not a delusion. I agree with you that religions have caused war since the beginning because religions are MAN MADE. We decide what we believe first and foremost. If we choose to believe in God then we read the Bible. The problem is that we are reading a book that was written long before our time, in Hebrew and Greek, and is written in different styles, i.e. parables, poetry, historically etc.., depending upon the author of each chapter. Therefore, MEN had to translate it. They did this two ways, word for word and/or meaning for meaning. You know the old saying "Lost in translation." Then again we are dependant upon MAN, who is imperfect, to complete our understanding. Different religions were formed by different interpretations of the Bible. Therefore, religions are MAN made and imperfect. For example, the Hebrew word "hesed" cannot adequately be translated into any one English word because in Hebrew it can mean love, kindness, faithfulness, mercy, grace and loyalty, therefore MAN had to decide which it meant with regard to the context it was placed. Some decided one way, others decided another. That is why there are different versions of the Bible. Just like I do not agree with ChristianIdentity's interpretation of Gensius 3:15. I do not believe it is alluding to the fact that Eve had Satan's child, I believe it is foretelling of Christ's coming and Satan's unsucessful attempts to cause him to sin (defeat him)while he was here, I base this conclusion on Gen. 4:1 which says "Now Adam slept with his wife, Eve, and she became pregnant. When the time came she gave birth to Cain...Later she gave birth to a second son and named him Abel." Cain was the evil of the two, yet the Bible clearly states that it was Adam that impregnated her, yet taken out of context I can see how someone could conclude that Eve had Satan's child. The Bible tells us that we must first, accept Jesus as God's son and into our hearts, and ask for forgiveness of our sins, and then God will allow the Holy Spirit to feel us, and the Holy Spirit will reveal to us what the Bible truly means. However, the Devil is always at work and we must be able to discern the difference. Therefore, you can see how no one is right all the time. I have found the easiest version of the Bible to understand is the New Living Translation because it translates it into contemporary English. A study Bible is very helpful because it offers an explanation of hard to understand verses at the bottom of each page. With regard to the comment about the age of the earth, 2 Peter 3:8 says "But you must not forget, dear friends, that a day is like a thousand years to the Lord, and a thousand years is like a day." In other words God has no concept of time like we do thus we can not realisticaly match the beginning of time with the Bible. And yes people have worshiped false Gods forever, the Bible even speaks of ones worshipped during the time of it's writing. That doesn't make the one, true God any less real.
Gods awesome sidekick

Beckley, WV

#49 Jan 26, 2013
joe wrote:
<quoted text> Didnt mean to sound hateful just like to figure out why other people think the things they do. I am a very happy person and very comfortable with the fact that when i die, i am dead, end of the road, finished. That is just nature, everything that is born, will die, everything that lives will eventually die. Humans think that we are way more important than we really are in the grand scheme of universe, we are nothing. Just trying to undetstand you, what makes you think the earth is cursed? Also christians believe the earth was created apprrox 6000 years ago? Explain oil or coal, they take millions of years to transform from vegetation, dinosaur fossils, from millions of years ago. Religion causes way more harm than good, other people around the world believe in their religion just as much as you believe in your beliefs and kill in the name of religion and god, christians are just as guilty. Religion divides people, n gives them a reason to kill each other over imaginary gods, people need to get away from all them beliefs from the dark ages, we know better know, or should.
I'm trying to figure out what makes you think what you think too. Why do most athiest (at least all that I've ever met) pick christians to put as #1 on their hate list? As compared to all the many religions throught the history of the earth,we are not violent like most of them were and still are. We don't sacrifice children or think a nonbeliever is as infidel who's head should be cut off. You may bring up the crusades or the jewish people that stoned people but I'm talking about right now. Why is it christianity that irks you so bad? I know there are a lot of fake christians out there. They get on my nerves too. I tend to call them out when I see them. Leaving tracks instead of tips. Cheapskates!! As to oil and coal, scientist say it takes millions of years to form but they have not been around millions of years to prove it. I think the idea that I came from a monkey is just as ridiculous as you think my belief in God is. Archeologist need evolution to be true for most of their theories to work. evolutionist need archeology to be true or their theory doesn't work. Neither one works without the other. I've decided to believe what I've experienced for myself
joe

United States

#50 Jan 26, 2013
To the previous posters, i have no hatred towards anybody, just trying to get more understanding why people think the way they do. You a.re right about faith, some people may believe bigfoot is running around somewhere, or that elvis is still alive. They cant prove it is so, i cant prove it is not but i believe highly unlikely. Those beliefs cause no harm, even though most may think they are silly . Same with religion i cant prove there is no god and nobody can prove there is, its faith. But religious faith does cause problems, example 911 these people had FAITH in what they were doing were right, they had been conditioned to have those beliefs. Lets think how crazy that seems, commit mass murder n suicide, and for that you get a ticket to heaven + 72 virgins? Now this is heaven for these thugs, how is this heaven for the 72 virgins, its a warped way of thinking. The christian faith beliefs as i understand them is you believe in god and jesus or burn in hell, that to me is just as warped, basically its saying the whole population of india, and many other nations are destined to hell, because they dont believe in the same god as christians do.So because they were born in a different part of the world and in a different culture, they get eternity in hell, women, children n all? How is that not wrong?
Gods awesome sidekck

Beckley, WV

#51 Jan 26, 2013
From a christians point of view, the bible says if a person is not given the option of knowing the one true God, the way they conduct their lives determines where they go. Children get in regardless of where they're from or how they are raised because they aren't accountable for their own actions until they reach an age where they can truely understand what they are doing. I think they call it an age of accountability or something. The christian God is not as harsh and unbending as other religions when you really get to know Him, however I agree that a lot of so called christians give him a bad name. Like I said, they get on my nerves too.
Noneya

Oak Hill, WV

#52 Jan 26, 2013
joe wrote:
To the previous posters, i have no hatred towards anybody, just trying to get more understanding why people think the way they do. You a.re right about faith, some people may believe bigfoot is running around somewhere, or that elvis is still alive. They cant prove it is so, i cant prove it is not but i believe highly unlikely. Those beliefs cause no harm, even though most may think they are silly . Same with religion i cant prove there is no god and nobody can prove there is, its faith. But religious faith does cause problems, example 911 these people had FAITH in what they were doing were right, they had been conditioned to have those beliefs. Lets think how crazy that seems, commit mass murder n suicide, and for that you get a ticket to heaven + 72 virgins? Now this is heaven for these thugs, how is this heaven for the 72 virgins, its a warped way of thinking. The christian faith beliefs as i understand them is you believe in god and jesus or burn in hell, that to me is just as warped, basically its saying the whole population of india, and many other nations are destined to hell, because they dont believe in the same god as christians do.So because they were born in a different part of the world and in a different culture, they get eternity in hell, women, children n all? How is that not wrong?
Joe, With regard to other nations who are taught about God and Jesus, the Bible says you are better off not knowing, then knowing and not believing. Your questions are valid questions and almost identical to the ones I used to ask, that's why I took the time to answer you in such detail above. I hope you take the time to read it and I hope it helps in your quest. Good luck and best wishes
truth2

Beckley, WV

#53 Jan 26, 2013
Noneya wrote:
<quoted text>
Joe, With regard to other nations who are taught about God and Jesus, the Bible says you are better off not knowing, then knowing and not believing. Your questions are valid questions and almost identical to the ones I used to ask, that's why I took the time to answer you in such detail above. I hope you take the time to read it and I hope it helps in your quest. Good luck and best wishes
Just curious,if the bible says a person is better off not knowing versus knowing isn't that person going to an eternal hell regardless?. How is he/she better off?
Noneya

Oak Hill, WV

#54 Jan 26, 2013
truth2 wrote:
<quoted text>
Just curious,if the bible says a person is better off not knowing versus knowing isn't that person going to an eternal hell regardless?. How is he/she better off?
No that's pretty much opposite of what it means. LOL It's basically saying the one's that don't know have an excuse, the one's that do know don't and will be held accountable for their actions against the Lord.
truth2

Beckley, WV

#55 Jan 26, 2013
So the ones that don't know cannot get to heaven so where do they go?
Gods awesome sidekick

Beckley, WV

#56 Jan 26, 2013
truth2 wrote:
So the ones that don't know cannot get to heaven so where do they go?
I tried to answer that in my post above.
truth2

Beckley, WV

#57 Jan 26, 2013
Gods awesome sidekick wrote:
<quoted text>
I tried to answer that in my post above.
Could you please give me a one work or one sentence answer. Where do they go?
Christian Identity

Sophia, WV

#58 Jan 26, 2013
Joe that is a very Valid question. Also it would be helpful is past posters would offer what scripture (book,chapter and verse) For God is not the author of confusion as it says in 1 Corinthians 14:33.

Joe as you said what happens if people don't accept Christ as their saviour. They burn in hell? Children, elderly, homosexuals, black, white and asian people?

I'll ask one better, what happens if someone never hears of God and they die? Does that mean they go to hell? Or, would I or anyone else here be a Christian if they were born in a Muslim dominated country such as Saudi Arabia. Would I be a Christian at all if that were the case?

Does it come down to just being a good person? Helping other people, making your world a better place? Instead of arguing theology and punching keys behind a computer, when is the last time we even made eye contact with the person you have been a neighbor to for the past 7 years?

It says in the Bible, We walk by Faith, not by sight (2 Corinthians 5:7). I choose to have the faith in myself and people in this world, that they can be better, they can be more. I choose not to look at the negatives of a human being and focus solely on that, because we cannot be perfect.

The life force that powers me, that makes me able to think, to breathe, to love and feel. Is the same life force in the man in India, it's the same force in the man in Saudi Arabia, it's in the same elderly person and child that exist in the world today.

God said I am the way, the truth and the life (John 14:6) and that he is not the author of confusion.(1 Corinthians 14:33) So it has to be up to you to seek out your answers, and read the word for yourself, I can give you scripture and what God says.

But the one tell tale sign to reach that truth. Much like the operation of faith and belief, is the operation of conviction and condemnation. Is a person condemning me, or is this person causing a conviction inside of me. God operates in conviction not condemnation.

My truth is, I was born in the United States, I believe that force that gives life to all of us decided to communicate with me through Christianity. I can't judge someone from another faith, or what geographical location. Judge not, or you will be judged(Matthew 7:1).
Gods awesome sidekick

Beckley, WV

#59 Jan 26, 2013
truth2 wrote:
<quoted text>Could you please give me a one work or one sentence answer. Where do they go?
Children go to heaven regardless of where they were born or how they were raised. They are innocent. People who don't know are judged by if they were a good or a bad person.
Gods awesome sidekick

Beckley, WV

#60 Jan 26, 2013
One sentence: Children and uninformed good hearted people go to heaven.
truth2

Beckley, WV

#61 Jan 26, 2013
Gods awesome sidekick wrote:
One sentence: Children and uninformed good hearted people go to heaven.
Somewhere in the bible I believe your God says that the only way to get to heaven in thru his son Jesus Christ.

If good people that do not know God are assured a place in heaven would it not be best for Christians not to spread the word of God? That would result in more people getting to Heaven.
joe

United States

#62 Jan 26, 2013
truth2 wrote:
<quoted text>
Somewhere in the bible I believe your God says that the only way to get to heaven in thru his son Jesus Christ.
If good people that do not know God are assured a place in heaven would it not be best for Christians not to spread the word of God? That would result in more people getting to Heaven.
Great point, hadnt thought of that, critical thinking at its best.

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