MrMess

Oak Hill, WV

#42 Feb 28, 2012
I would say the buyouts were put in place with the in the know people starting that project first so, it all would look good and try not to look connected.
All the jobs on the scout property will all be gone soon enough, not that it matters to us because most of the workers are not local. Scouts will only be out of school 3 months a year as most all kids,what kind of business can survive with only 3 months of business a year.Just to start, every time a police car or fire truck or ambulance go's there it costs us money.
1250 dollars to go to scout camp is way to much and all the local scouts from here should be able to go free. After all it is our tax money supporting all there services for free.
Supporter

Craigsville, WV

#43 Feb 28, 2012
I know a lot of locals working at the camp right now. Some of you people are idiots. Us pay their way. You have got to be kidding. They will pay over 300 million dollars just in construction. Most going to West Virginia companies. I bet none of you will pay a single penny of it. The Scouts are not one of the welfare groups some of you are accustomed to and you shouldn't expect handouts from everyone.
MrMess

Oak Hill, WV

#44 Feb 28, 2012
EXPECT HANDOUTS have you not been reading LOL The boy scouts will not pay there fair share by not paying property taxes. As you just said they have 300 million dollars, and we think they should pay taxes. County property taxes. People keep saying a lot of local people work construction there, bull crap, who, tell me names of local people that work here,20, 20 local people who work construction at the scout camp.This scout camp has been planned for a lot longer than you all think. They come in, don't pay taxes, destroy Glen Jean, a local historic land mark,cause disharmony, act all secretive about whats going on up there and after all that the local people who do pay taxes will not ever be allowed on this property and if they ever are be assured that it will cost dearly.
We who have always lived here know what to expect with stuff like this. Due to corrupt, greedy local politicians WV has been bought and sold for all of it's existence.
I happen to know there is some old Fayetteville connected money invested in land deals and other things that happened before the scouts announced the land deal. There is also some other land deals going on that will all be known soon and then you will all see how we got screwed.
LOL remember the industrial park the conty commission spent tens of millions of dollars on, what is there now after all this time, a beer brewing place that the county built the building for and now the new 911 center. remember all the jobs they said were going to be created,
Tophat

Charleston, WV

#45 Feb 29, 2012
Bahhhhhh wrote:
50 times 20 would be a 1000, so wouldn't be that many, if they did a good job they would get 50 a yard, maybe not that much for all. I had my own business when i was in the 7th grade, i made more than that in the Summer, Real Estate companies would pay you 50, less that what a land scaping company would, few years ago i was in bad health and paid a 100 to have mine mowed, like to never found anybody to do it for that, you sound like a lazy Obama supporter that just wants a handout without doing anything productive.
You're still a dumba$$
Bahhhhhh

Parkersburg, WV

#46 Feb 29, 2012
Economic Impact
Through the development of new infrastructure, creation of new jobs, ongoing operations, and greater attraction of outdoors-minded visitors, The Summit Bechtel Family National Scout Reserve is expected to provide a substantial economic lift to the local community.

New construction, such as site preparation, infrastructure development, and new building construction, could support thousands of new local jobs and generate more than $100 million in additional local income.
Ongoing operations, such as administrative functions, could support several hundred new local jobs (year-round equivalents), and expand local income and tax revenue.
The jamboree could add more than $40 million in new local expenditures,((((( NOTICE they bring in more taxes
Bahhhhhh

Parkersburg, WV

#47 Feb 29, 2012
as in more Tax revenue for the area
Mr. Clean

Mount Hope, WV

#48 Feb 29, 2012
MrMess wrote:
EXPECT HANDOUTS have you not been reading LOL The boy scouts will not pay there fair share by not paying property taxes. As you just said they have 300 million dollars, and we think they should pay taxes. County property taxes. People keep saying a lot of local people work construction there, bull crap, who, tell me names of local people that work here,20, 20 local people who work construction at the scout camp.This scout camp has been planned for a lot longer than you all think. They come in, don't pay taxes, destroy Glen Jean, a local historic land mark,cause disharmony, act all secretive about whats going on up there and after all that the local people who do pay taxes will not ever be allowed on this property and if they ever are be assured that it will cost dearly.
We who have always lived here know what to expect with stuff like this. Due to corrupt, greedy local politicians WV has been bought and sold for all of it's existence.
I happen to know there is some old Fayetteville connected money invested in land deals and other things that happened before the scouts announced the land deal. There is also some other land deals going on that will all be known soon and then you will all see how we got screwed.
LOL remember the industrial park the conty commission spent tens of millions of dollars on, what is there now after all this time, a beer brewing place that the county built the building for and now the new 911 center. remember all the jobs they said were going to be created,
The boy scouts have a 80/20 rule that states 80 percent of all workers will be WV workers. On the labor and contractor side that number is higher most of the 20 percent is consumed by world class professionals brought in to do special jobs like the skate parks,Bmx trails , zip lines etc. There is no secret about what is going on they hold meetings all the time to show progress and info about the project. Once the project is open the public is allowed in they want the public involved they are even going to allow the public in on certain days during the jamboree. On the part about the old money you say things like this on your posts but you never provide evidence. I can't comment on that I try to stick to the facts.
Supporter

Craigsville, WV

#49 Feb 29, 2012
Some of you complain that you would have to pay 1250 dollars for a kid to attend the Jamboree but you don't think twice about spending twice that much for cigarettes in a years time. Looks like you would care enough about your kid to quit smoking in order to save enough money to send him.
realgirl

Madison, WV

#50 Feb 29, 2012
Supporter wrote:
Some of you complain that you would have to pay 1250 dollars for a kid to attend the Jamboree but you don't think twice about spending twice that much for cigarettes in a years time. Looks like you would care enough about your kid to quit smoking in order to save enough money to send him.
who the heck said anything about smoking?????
MrMess

Oak Hill, WV

#51 Feb 29, 2012
I still think if the tax payers of this county have to support the camp by them not paying their fair share of property tax then our kids should ALL get to go and go for free. So now if the scouts want to keep crapping on us I will fight them all the way. Why should the scouts get free property taxes? They have hundreds of millions of dollars and I can not see how any new business in that area can survive on 3 months of business a year. I like the scouts, thought they use to be a good thing but after entering out community and causing all this I do think different now. It was the ass hole national park superintendent that started all this anyway. The ones who don't want us in our park anymore.
MrMess

Oak Hill, WV

#52 Feb 29, 2012
Supporter wrote:
Some of you complain that you would have to pay 1250 dollars for a kid to attend the Jamboree but you don't think twice about spending twice that much for cigarettes in a years time. Looks like you would care enough about your kid to quit smoking in order to save enough money to send him.
Really it isn't the fact if a person can send them or not it is the fact that they pay no county taxes, so every time police or fire or ems has to respond to the property we pay for it. As a thank you they could at least let every scout in the area who wants to go, go and free of charge. Now we see what kind of thank you we get, shit on as usual and the camp has not even opened yet.
Bahhhhhh

Parkersburg, WV

#53 Feb 29, 2012
MrMess wrote:
<quoted text> Really it isn't the fact if a person can send them or not it is the fact that they pay no county taxes, so every time police or fire or ems has to respond to the property we pay for it. As a thank you they could at least let every scout in the area who wants to go, go and free of charge. Now we see what kind of thank you we get, shit on as usual and the camp has not even opened yet.
The Boy Scouts of America’s proposal to annex into Mount Hope doesn’t worry the town’s fire chief, Shane Wheeler, who says it would be a boon for the town’s volunteer fire department, not a strain.
Because they receive some funding from Fayette County’s fire levy, the fire department’s response area isn’t confined to city limits.
“We’re going to respond to those calls regardless of whether they are in the city limits or not,” says Wheeler.“All this does is provide another funding stream for the community, and it actually benefits us a little bit more than not being in the city limits.”
Providing fire services to the 10,600-acre Summit Bechtel Family National Scout Reserve is a two-part consideration, says Wheeler. There are the project’s day to day needs during development phases, and then there is the 2013 National Scout Jamboree to think about.
So far during the construction phase, Wheeler worked with the Boy Scouts of America (BSA) and state and federal governments from May to October to provide fire and medical standby for some of the military joint task force operations on the property, overseeing controlled burns and trucking water up the site during concrete operations.
A funding mechanism for these services, which required some full-time labor, covered expenses and created about $11,000 in excess revenues.
“They said to put together a proposal, which we did and which they accepted,” says Wheeler.“We were able to actually employ people during that phase and cover expenses. We actually made a profit from the situation that goes back into our coffers to help offset any additional cost.”
The 2013 National Jamboree, which will attract tens of thousands to Fayette County, is another matter altogether, and Wheeler says he will work with the state fire marshal’s office to come up with staffing plans for Jamboree years.
“It’s a massive event that exceeds any one agency’s capabilities. It’s not just going to be our 35 guys providing coverage for 50,000 people,” he says.“It’s going to be a conglomerate of teams from all over West Virginia that meet certain credentialing requirements. We’re fortunate to have a great working relationship with neighboring fire departments and the state fire marshal’s office, which has been helping coordinate some things.
“It’s going to be a learning process. We’re doing a lot of up front legwork.”
Wheeler will soon be meeting with the fire chief of Fort AP Hill, Va., to get feedback on how that force has managed past Jamborees. The town has hosted the event since 1981.
Mount Hope’s volunteer fire department currently responds to about 250 calls per year on a budget of approximately $90,000. According to Wheeler, who has held his position for 20 years, the force maintains three fire trucks, one ladder truck, a rescue truck and some support vehicles. Their funding comes from state government, a county-wide fire levy and a $10 fee per response from the city of Mount Hope.
Wheeler says that with growth will come expenses, but that he is more concerned about meeting the needs of associated businesses and organizations than the Summit itself.
“If we get retail and hotels — and these are all big ‘ifs’— then our department will have to make adjustments. As the fire department would grow, the city would have to step up and offer those expenses and I have every confidence that that’s exactly what would happen,” he says.
Bahhhhhh

Parkersburg, WV

#54 Feb 29, 2012
MIss Mess, wrong again
Bahhhhhh

Parkersburg, WV

#55 Feb 29, 2012
The Boy Scouts of America’s proposal to annex into Mount Hope doesn’t worry the town’s fire chief, Shane Wheeler, who says it would be a boon for the town’s volunteer fire department, not a strain.

Because they receive some funding from Fayette County’s fire levy, the fire department’s response area isn’t confined to city limits.

“We’re going to respond to those calls regardless of whether they are in the city limits or not,” says Wheeler.“All this does is provide another funding stream for the community, and it actually benefits us a little bit more than not being in the city limits.”

Providing fire services to the 10,600-acre Summit Bechtel Family National Scout Reserve is a two-part consideration, says Wheeler. There are the project’s day to day needs during development phases, and then there is the 2013 National Scout Jamboree to think about.

So far during the construction phase, Wheeler worked with the Boy Scouts of America (BSA) and state and federal governments from May to October to provide fire and medical standby for some of the military joint task force operations on the property, overseeing controlled burns and trucking water up the site during concrete operations.

A funding mechanism for these services, which required some full-time labor, covered expenses and created about $11,000 in excess revenues.

“They said to put together a proposal, which we did and which they accepted,” says Wheeler.“We were able to actually employ people during that phase and cover expenses. We actually made a profit from the situation that goes back into our coffers to help offset any additional cost.”

The 2013 National Jamboree, which will attract tens of thousands to Fayette County, is another matter altogether, and Wheeler says he will work with the state fire marshal’s office to come up with staffing plans for Jamboree years.

“It’s a massive event that exceeds any one agency’s capabilities. It’s not just going to be our 35 guys providing coverage for 50,000 people,” he says.“It’s going to be a conglomerate of teams from all over West Virginia that meet certain credentialing requirements. We’re fortunate to have a great working relationship with neighboring fire departments and the state fire marshal’s office, which has been helping coordinate some things.

“It’s going to be a learning process. We’re doing a lot of up front legwork.”

Wheeler will soon be meeting with the fire chief of Fort AP Hill, Va., to get feedback on how that force has managed past Jamborees. The town has hosted the event since 1981.

Mount Hope’s volunteer fire department currently responds to about 250 calls per year on a budget of approximately $90,000. According to Wheeler, who has held his position for 20 years, the force maintains three fire trucks, one ladder truck, a rescue truck and some support vehicles. Their funding comes from state government, a county-wide fire levy and a $10 fee per response from the city of Mount Hope.

Wheeler says that with growth will come expenses, but that he is more concerned about meeting the needs of associated businesses and organizations than the Summit itself.

“If we get retail and hotels — and these are all big ‘ifs’— then our department will have to make adjustments. As the fire department would grow, the city would have to step up and offer those expenses and I have every confidence that that’s exactly what would happen,”
Supporter

Craigsville, WV

#56 Feb 29, 2012
Please stop teaching the kids in the community that someone owes them something. Teach the kids they have to earn their own way. Teach them that they have to work and earn what they get. Stop teaching them that other people in the world should support them and should their way for them. The kids will never break the chain.
Bahhhhhh

Parkersburg, WV

#57 Feb 29, 2012
The Boy Scouts also have their own security and the Police Chief of Mt Hope said it will have little or no affect on their services.
MrMess

Oak Hill, WV

#58 Feb 29, 2012
LOL, Do you just not get it? We the tax payers fund the fire and police departments.Again there will be very little if any retail and no hotel. Are you so one track minded that you do not understand a business can not be supported with only 3 months of business a year? Anytime there is a fire there it costs us the tax payer money. Anytime there is a police or ambulance call it costs us the tax payer money.And to be truthful, Shane Wheeler isn't all that bright.
My thought son our scouts attending the scout camp for free as stated is that since they are here tax free and we are paying for there services then our kids should all be invited to attend the camp free of charge. Supporter learn how to read and comprehend.
Mount Hope does not have a police dept. big enough to do all the work at the scout camp and when something happens where they need help it will take deputies and state and local cops away from where they should be working.
The boy scouts need to pay there fair share or get the hell out of Fayette County.BTW what Idiot in Mount Hope decided to annex the scout camp?I know Mount Hope is desperate but can not see how the camp will help but hinder them.

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