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Peeved parent

Oak Forest, IL

#121 Oct 15, 2009
travel baseball mom wrote:
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I resent the comments regarding the full time travel teams and the Cooperstown teams. When my son was on the Cooperstown team we fundraised over $10,000 for the team to go. Yes we were outside Jewel and we had to report those totals to the OFBA board and give them 10% of anything we raised. As to the special uniforms-we raised money for that too and for extra hats, sox, pullovers, hoodies, extra tournaments, etc. the parents and players worked their butts off for nine months fundraising so the boys could have all the extras, it did not come from the organization. My son's manager and coaches were all about the kids and it was a great experience.
Remember that the 18 - 20 games is all you are paying for in-house ball. If you want to play travel ball then prepare to pay alot more than a few hundred dollars!!!!!!!! Travel ball play close to 60-80 games a season and train in off-season as well. If you want the same opportunity then get your kid the extra training and you to will enjoy getting your moneys worth of baseball and your whole summer sacrificed to give your kid what he wants....
travel baseball mom

Hinsdale, IL

#122 Oct 15, 2009
Oak Forest Concerned wrote:
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I resent your comments about Cooperstown and what you think you deserve!
I have a problem with you fundraising over $10,000 dollars and only giving 10% to the OFBA organization! Who is checking that is all you fundraised, where are the checks and balances? Why don't you pay 50% to the organization that you are representing?
I have heard many of the folks that have been allowed to go have fundraised more then that, where is all that money! Where does it stop, how much is enough? If it was not for OFBA you would have to find a travel organization to try and make the team and do this same thing.
While they have allowed teams to make this journey, there have been times that OFBA have not paid their obligations! In fact, that money should be going to pay off their Batting Cage facility that they have funded on the backs of the whole league and taxpayers for years now! There is nothing in the OFBA By-laws or rules that allows any part of this organization to fund raise for the few and not the majority! This is the problem you are amoung the many that believes they deserve this special treatment, well that is great for you! I for one think it is wrong and un-necessary expense for a NON-PROFIT organization. Why don't they take that fund raising opporunity and make it available to all members of OFBA? Probably because it is only for the special minority while the other members of the league get nothing, oh wait they get higher fees!
So you worked your butts off, isn't that special, who says that those 12 to 15 kids deserve more than the other 700 in the organization - you? That is exactly the problem you are telling the majority of the organization that we thumb our noses at you, because we are in the privaledged minority that deserves this opportunity. Pretty Shallow if I do say so myself.
So as your kid sits in school and lords it over all the boys that did not get the chance, you think it was a great experience, well la di da! Your Coaches were all for the kids, great why if they were so great were they not only for the 12 to 15 why were they not great for the rest of the league? You folks have all lost your minds that any of these organizations are for the kids, it is only if it suits them or their child first, don't kid yourself!
So go on believing that this was a great experience, remember the kid that toppled the high school coach, his folks thought he deserved better then anyone else deserved just because the grandparents were in to see their grandchild play. I wonder how that worked out? If I am not mistaken that child also went to Cooperstown because he deserved to go also, what a great message you all are sending to these children. When they stop playing ball or don't get to fulfill their next dream, stand in line at the complaint booth, but guess what the majority of us will not wait to hear it!
Wow-you really have some anger issues. The point I was trying to make was that OFBA doesn't pay for the Cooperstown tournament. If the 12 year old team wants to go THEY have to find ways to fund-raise the money which by the way is approximately $800 per child and coach-that comes to almost $13,000. OFBA does have fundraising opportunities for everyone (candlelight bowl, golf outing, raffles) to keep fees under control. The fees for full-time travel are minor compared to other travel teams in the area-Orland Sparks is $1800, Orland Magic is $1500 and Tinley Park Bulldogs is $1000. Also, I don't think any of the boys on my son's team walk around thinking they are superior just because they play on a travel team and certainly don't expect special treatment. As to my son's coaches-they were there for the kids. As many have already said don't condemn everyone because of a few. We had a great team and a great group of parents.
History Repeats

Chicago, IL

#123 Oct 15, 2009
Tired of all this wrote:
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The reason why Czarnecki got brought into this is because the AD at OFHS made allegations that he stole money while in OFBA. It later turned out that he did NOT steal any money and the thief was called out on stuff he has been doing for years. Sue Bonner used that along with other reasons to "suspend" him for his coaching position. It is unfortunate that people say that he did not create an elite program out of OFBA. If he didn't, he kept the tradition alive that Scianna started. And some of those people that played on that 85' OFHS team now have kids that played in OFBA and now at the high school. Many of those kids stayed with OFHS because of Czarnecki when they could have went to catholic schools.(Also ask Sue Bonner how much of the money that school takes in goes to the actual baseball program.) This is nothing more than the "six degrees of seperation" with OFBA. It all ties together somehow.....People want to blame one person within OFBA for stealing when the rest of the board enabled it to happen. The executive board could have told the rest of the board what was going on and chose not to making everyone the scapegoat for one person. Much much more could have been done to find this and stop it but one person couldn't do it alone. It truly is ridiculous that the same allegations and complaints are being made years after my family was in OFBA. The situation never changes, only the faces do........
We don't even know if someone stole anything from this organization, it is a blog that does not have to have any truths to it! Adding the high school situation only will bring out bad images and again it would not be prudent to call up those images for this discussion. If you have a problem with Ms. Bonner and how she handled this I would tend to tell you that a School Board would not be brought into something like happened unless there was more than one issue! I am not sure what her intentions would be, but knowing what I know it is her responsibility to control the athletic department and to the best interest of that school and school district. It may not be the best for the people on the other side of this issue, but it is just the facts.

OFBA on the other hand has been involved with problems for longer than I can remember, people are saying they are making changes, if that is true then hopefully it is time for them to correct their issues.

Making all the folks happy will never be the case and especially with baseball folks.
Interesting Thoughts

Chicago, IL

#124 Oct 16, 2009
History Repeats wrote:
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We don't even know if someone stole anything from this organization, it is a blog that does not have to have any truths to it! Adding the high school situation only will bring out bad images and again it would not be prudent to call up those images for this discussion. If you have a problem with Ms. Bonner and how she handled this I would tend to tell you that a School Board would not be brought into something like happened unless there was more than one issue! I am not sure what her intentions would be, but knowing what I know it is her responsibility to control the athletic department and to the best interest of that school and school district. It may not be the best for the people on the other side of this issue, but it is just the facts.
OFBA on the other hand has been involved with problems for longer than I can remember, people are saying they are making changes, if that is true then hopefully it is time for them to correct their issues.
Making all the folks happy will never be the case and especially with baseball folks.
The Folks at OFBA will see if the community has good feelings or bad feelings about what they are doing, this weekend is registration. Once upon a time there was 900+ kids in the organization. We just need to wait and see if the OFBA Board are true to their word will make things better? Also if money was taken or some other services were used there should be some type of compensation to the organization, so the members don't have to pay for this lack of fiscal control that has gone on!

Let's see how this will come out!
Move on already

Midlothian, IL

#125 Oct 17, 2009
All you people just keep going on and on and on. Do any of you have any proof of what "supposedly" happened? Do you know for a fact that this man was removed because of financial problems? If there's no proof, then move on. You all are suppose to be for the kids - well, how about just letting the kids play ball. You people have driven this topic into the ground and put a man through the ringer when you can't prove anything. One person wrote on how ironic it would be Mr. Kipp became a rich man from slander lawsuits - couldn't have said it better!!!
FAST EDDIE

Forest Park, IL

#126 Oct 17, 2009
If you are searching for fact, A "Forensic Audit" tells the story about what is or what isn't...then go from there.
Peeved parent

Oak Forest, IL

#127 Oct 17, 2009
History Repeats wrote:
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We don't even know if someone stole anything from this organization, it is a blog that does not have to have any truths to it! Adding the high school situation only will bring out bad images and again it would not be prudent to call up those images for this discussion. If you have a problem with Ms. Bonner and how she handled this I would tend to tell you that a School Board would not be brought into something like happened unless there was more than one issue! I am not sure what her intentions would be, but knowing what I know it is her responsibility to control the athletic department and to the best interest of that school and school district. It may not be the best for the people on the other side of this issue, but it is just the facts.
OFBA on the other hand has been involved with problems for longer than I can remember, people are saying they are making changes, if that is true then hopefully it is time for them to correct their issues.
Making all the folks happy will never be the case and especially with baseball folks.
BY the way.... the school board wasn't involved and it was just an AD decision to suspend Czar. Please get your facts straight. It was Sue Bonner and Dave Wilson. It never became a school board issue!!!
Fed up with this

Oak Forest, IL

#128 Oct 17, 2009
Does anyone know that you can't beat a dead horse??
Give me a break

United States

#129 Oct 18, 2009
To "peeved parent" - you are looking through rose-colored glasses because Czarnecki is so guilty of what he's accused of and more. You people think Czarnecki hung the moon and made OFHS baseball program such "an elite" program. That so called elite program was in place because Scianna did it NOT Czarnecki!! He just rode in on someone else's coat tails. And he was horrible as president of OFBA - so there's your wonderful "Czar."
LHS Alumni

Oak Forest, IL

#130 Oct 18, 2009
If you made grievous accusations and used names of OFBA board members(Kipp), you are not safe from identity disclosure. The courts cannot allow defamation of character of that magnitude to go unchallenged, your server will be forced to disclose your name. You had no evidence other than rumor, and you will be found out. Better talk to your lawyer.
Father of ofba player

Harvey, IL

#131 Oct 18, 2009
OFBA Website wrote:
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"Better Competition" at 12 years old - what does that mean? Does that mean that they will miss out on something? Tell Me what? Most players at that age are just happy to be playing anywhere! Now if you are telling me this is a team of Pony/Colt kids and their parents want to put the investment up then that makes more sense to me. Cooperstown has grown to an expense that should not be placed on the organization when they have expenses that they could use that money for!
In fact I believe that in times past much of that money has never seen the organization or in some cases coaches felt it was best to give the money fundraised back to the parents - why? Why does an organization allow that to happen - probably because there are no controls to stop it. Tell me what you are telling to the parents that are not involved in Cooperstown to make them feel better that the organization is working for them. What types of uniforms and jackets are you buying the "regular" players? The "Regular" players that in a few years may be better than what you call "the players that deserve to play better competition" - what does that mean anyway? No one deserves anything more than they put into the activity, so don't tell me some of these players are ordained to be the greatest, it is not the case! I have seen too many parents of these so-called deserving players take advantage by saying this and their child no longer plays that sport. Baseball is no different!
Finally, as coaches whether it is baseball, football, basketball, hockey, gymnastics, wrestling, softball, music, or any other youth activity you volunteer to do these things for what reason? If you take on the responsibility you also take on the parents that drop and leave, it is just how it works. If you complain about that you are not doing this for the right reason any way!
Finally, if you think anyone of these kids deserve anything more than any other child then you are probably putting together your "Travel T-Ball" Team and when they have that in Cooperstown those 6, 7, and 8 year olds will DESERVE to go there also!
My son went to cooperstown and it was the best baseball experience he will probably ever have. We busted are tails to raise money for everthing we bought that year for the kids, the parents did not get any of that money! This is suppose to be for the kids, I think alot of people forget that! All you people wanna do is complain, if you don't like what they are doing get up off of your lazy butts and do something about it! Try giving up alot of your time like all the board members, and coaches do to help your kids that get no practice unless it is a coach! You people need to work with your kids so they can get better not just expect the coaches to make them better!
Confused

Chicago, IL

#132 Oct 18, 2009
It seems as if so many concerns here stem from the travel aspect of this organization. Why not disband it? If a parent wants their child to play on a travel team, they should be able to find one. If they find teams such as Orland or Tinley too expensive, start their own. I can tell you, I will never donate money to anyone standing on a corner or in front of Jewel ever again, knowing that only 10% of it goes to the organization. How do we know that the money we gave is used for the purpose we thought it was going to be? Oak Forest Girls Softball doesn't have a travel time aligned with its inhouse program. If the Park District can take over for them, I don't see why they can't take over for baseball. Someone had mentioned that it would be a good idea if board members didn't coach. People always have a lot to say about volunteers, but they never stand up to volunteer themselves. If this is truly a concern, perhaps board members shouldn't coach their own child. The baseball association has to follow some organizations guidelines, they have to be sanctioned under someone don't they? Someone mentioned it used to be Pony baseball. What is it now?
This topic has been all over the place. Could have been broken up into several topics. Charlie Sopko wants to start a Lacrosse League because his son is interested in it. My child is interested in volleyball. Do we have a youth volleyball league? No. Would we if Mr. Sopko's son was interested in it? Probably. Meanwhile, my money goes to Crestwood so that my child can play.

Coach Czarnecki, are you serious? It is nice to only have his view on this situation. Keep being a puppet. It is a personnel matter so the school and administration cannot comment on it. I would also say that this may be something the superintendent would get involved in, so don't just blame Sue Bonner and Dave Wilson. Oh, I get it, it's a big conspiracy, the school doesn't like having a successful program, so they are sabotoging it by replacing the coach? Get real. It is a shame that the public will never know the real reason he was suspended, but only the version that he is running around spreading. If he is so innocent and has been damaged by OFHS, where is his union to back him up? Has he retained a lawyer? Has he filed a lawsuit? Please, if someone was going to send their child to a catholic high school, but decided to attend OFHS because of Czar, chances are pretty good that their kid would not have played at the catholic school or they would be going there.
Interesting Thoughts

Chicago, IL

#133 Oct 19, 2009
Peeved parent wrote:
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BY the way.... the school board wasn't involved and it was just an AD decision to suspend Czar. Please get your facts straight. It was Sue Bonner and Dave Wilson. It never became a school board issue!!!
Hey get your facts straight, it was not the AD or the Principal only in this case it had to go to the School Board for a disciplinary action! The AD and Prinicipal can only make recommedations, the School Board muct act. If you keep bringing this up and you hit another nerve maybe they will look into his employment and see if there are violations there! That would help your cause, getting a man fired as a Teacher also would not be what I think you would want to accomplish!

Let's keeping beating that old horse it will make us all feel better!
OFBA Website

Chicago, IL

#134 Oct 21, 2009
Interesting Thoughts wrote:
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Hey get your facts straight, it was not the AD or the Principal only in this case it had to go to the School Board for a disciplinary action! The AD and Prinicipal can only make recommedations, the School Board muct act. If you keep bringing this up and you hit another nerve maybe they will look into his employment and see if there are violations there! That would help your cause, getting a man fired as a Teacher also would not be what I think you would want to accomplish!
Let's keeping beating that old horse it will make us all feel better!
Hey you guys all through with the Libel and Slander comments? I cannot believe that you folks would not want to further this discussion, or is it all OK again? Everything just keeps on rolling along, nothing changes and people just don't care!
The original OMG

Tinley Park, IL

#135 Oct 21, 2009
I think the horse is still twitching a little bit
OFBA Website

Chicago, IL

#136 Oct 24, 2009
Is it true that the former Board Member is getting ready to sue the OFBA Board? I was at the Community Awareness Fair and I heard that rumor going around by many folks, is it true?

Unknown

Oak Forest, IL

#137 Oct 25, 2009
The rumor I heard is he is going to sue some posters on this blog.
FAST EDDIE

Chicago, IL

#138 Oct 25, 2009
Not particularly the method I'd use, but it will get you to the truth sooner or later. That is what we all want right ? Hope it doesn't turn out to be another "careful what you wish for" moment. Wish I had that kind of cash laying around to waste it on a lawyer.
Unknown

Oak Forest, IL

#139 Oct 25, 2009
Consignment.
LHS Alumni

Oak Forest, IL

#140 Oct 25, 2009
I guess if you wanted to take money from the kids, you would sue the Board. It is a corporation and it is hard to sue the members. Besides, that is what insurance is for. Once again, you or anyone else would have to give up your identy, and which coward would want to do that? Not me.

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