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WHO ME

Wadsworth, IL

#1 Sep 28, 2009
I heard that there was a article in southtown recently bashing OFBA. does anyone have information or article of this?
Just a Quick Question

Chicago, IL

#2 Sep 28, 2009
Can someone explain to me what is OFBA? What department of city government is that? Is it part of public works or some other department?

Or is it part of the the Economic Development Affairs Department? I thought it had something to do with the Bar Crawl they created in the city earlier this year.
hanky panky

Munster, IN

#3 Sep 28, 2009
oak forest baseball assoc !They were bashing the coaches & association about picking the elite players and leaving the crap ones behind. Some parents are upset because they think there kids were better and didn't make the teams stating it's political
Just a Quick Question

Chicago, IL

#4 Sep 28, 2009
hanky panky wrote:
oak forest baseball assoc !They were bashing the coaches & association about picking the elite players and leaving the crap ones behind. Some parents are upset because they think there kids were better and didn't make the teams stating it's political
Oh, thank you for the explanation, for some reason I thought this was a city government department.

For some reason I thought it was part of public works or i thought someone told me it was the Oak Forest Builders Association.

If it is only about youth sports why are people complaining about that?
WHO ME

Wadsworth, IL

#5 Sep 29, 2009
hanky panky wrote:
oak forest baseball assoc !They were bashing the coaches & association about picking the elite players and leaving the crap ones behind. Some parents are upset because they think there kids were better and didn't make the teams stating it's political
do you have any idea where i can find this info on the web. do you have a link or date when it was in paper?
Thanks
I Can Hear Him Laughing

Oak Forest, IL

#6 Sep 30, 2009
I can hear him laughing - Mark Kipp formerly of Oak Forest Baseball Association that is. The man is kicked out of the association and out of coaching because the new board treasurer discovered what many of us suspected for years - that he was skimming thousands of dollars a year from the association! Can somebody please explain why the baeball association hasn't and won't take their books to the police department? The word on the street is that the amount stolen is in the tens of thousands! Let the Oak Forest Police Department do the job it is paid to do - investigate wrongdoing and lock up the pieces of "Kipp" that make us all look bad.
AMEN

Tinley Park, IL

#7 Sep 30, 2009
Couldn't agree more! OFBA is all about who you know!
WHO ME

Wadsworth, IL

#8 Oct 1, 2009
I Can Hear Him Laughing wrote:
I can hear him laughing - Mark Kipp formerly of Oak Forest Baseball Association that is. The man is kicked out of the association and out of coaching because the new board treasurer discovered what many of us suspected for years - that he was skimming thousands of dollars a year from the association! Can somebody please explain why the baeball association hasn't and won't take their books to the police department? The word on the street is that the amount stolen is in the tens of thousands! Let the Oak Forest Police Department do the job it is paid to do - investigate wrongdoing and lock up the pieces of "Kipp" that make us all look bad.
when was this discovered?

OFBA should send a letter of apology to all of the parents who spend their hard earned money every year to pay the increasing fees every year because of the scheming that has been going on. if there is anyway to get that money back from him, the fees should be lowered.
OFBA Website

Chicago, IL

#9 Oct 1, 2009
Is this not the same organization that worked out a deal with the Park District to build that building many years ago? Earlier this week the person they were talking about was still on the website, he must of made someone mad!!

If these accusations are true why has the Park District not moved to correct this situation? Why is the treasurer now asking the questions, I believe the previous treasurer is still on this board, why did it not come up before?

It is probably time to disband this whole board, like the park did for softball so you can weed out the unsavory elements! Better to re-create the group then let the bad eggs continue to function!!

Why do I always see the kids collecting money at the stores, who is monitoring that money?

Seems like the limits of propriety are being stretched farther and farther for all the baseball groups in Oak Forest.

Time for a Reality Check!! Park District Board time for some action!!
Dumb as a fox

Oak Forest, IL

#10 Oct 4, 2009
Mark Kipp has been a thorn in OFBA side for many years. Not only is he a thief but he is the most rude, ignorant, troll looking human being I have ever encountered. This man stole thousands from a youth organization to feed his gambling and Busch beer habit. And what is the matter with OFBA for not catching him sooner? That's right. The previous treasurer Keith Hlad was one of his best buddies and coached travel ball with him. So why wouldn't Keith turn him in? Because he is guilty too. Anyone can add 1+1 Mr. Hlad, why couldn't you find thousands of dollars missing? OFBA should criminally pursue both Mr. Kipp and Mr. Hlad and make an example out of the both of them. Good riddens big piece of "Kipp". It's about time you are OUTTA THERE!!!!!!!
I Can Hear Him Laughing

Coatesville, PA

#11 Oct 4, 2009
WHO ME wrote:
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when was this discovered?
OFBA should send a letter of apology to all of the parents who spend their hard earned money every year to pay the increasing fees every year because of the scheming that has been going on. if there is anyway to get that money back from him, the fees should be lowered.
From what I understand, the missing money and Kipps departure took place within the past two weeks. As for why the baseball board isn't making a big deal about this its because other people who sit on that board today had to know about the missing money before the new treasurer brought it to light. At this point, it seems the only people who can demand that the truth come out is the Oak Forest Park District Commissioners. My suggestion...pack the next Park District board meeting and demand that they get to the bottom of this unacceptable scandal. Its time for the Park District to get rid of the corrupt, self-serving baseball association board and replace it with parents who not only care about their child, but the others who participate as well!

Tell your friends and neighbors...The next Park District board meeting is this coming Thursday, October 8th, 7p.m.!
Concerned Baseball Mom

Oak Forest, IL

#12 Oct 5, 2009
So the other Baseball Board knew about this ? That is the same as participating in the scam. Who is the head of this organization ? Everyone should demand Baseball Governing body resignations now. As for the Park Dist. assistance....forget it. One of my neighbors tried to reason with the Park about this situation for some time but the subject always fell on deaf ears at Park District level
someone on the inside

Batavia, IL

#13 Oct 5, 2009
to sum it up in few words, secrets,lies,back stabbing, two faced, orginization. If they(park district) don't ask for the right info it will be hid. Ask and shall receive,
Oak Forest Concerned

Chicago, IL

#14 Oct 5, 2009
someone on the inside wrote:
to sum it up in few words, secrets,lies,back stabbing, two faced, orginization. If they(park district) don't ask for the right info it will be hid. Ask and shall receive,
Would this be the first group of Board Members that concern all you folks about appropriation of funds for personal gain?

This organization is one of the largest independant run youth organizations in the City of Oak Forest, impacting more families then any other group in town. What controls does the Park District have on them, except to restrict the use of the fields. Again, what controls does that Park District have in control of any of the other organizations in this town. We have soccer, flag football, Raider Football, Warrior wrestling, gymnastics, girl's softball and Storm Baseball.

Each of these groups has fund raising functions that occur throughout their seasons to give these organizations the opportunity to give the children of the community the best training and coaching to compete at their sport. Is that part of the problem? How does the Park District Board hold these groups responsible to account for the fund raising they do for each of these groups? What about other forms of money making that any of these groups have, who would be watching those funds?

If you look at each there is a great deal of money involved with all the programs that are for the youth of Oak Forest. That creates a large opportunity for boards or coaches to have funds at their disposal - these funds would seem to be what needs to be accounted for by the Park District, how are they doing that?

If you are now saying that this has been a re-occurring scenario from previous Boards of OFBA, why is it now just coming up? Why are you just now throwing out these names and why are you not standing up before this to get a true accounting of where all the funds - fees and fundraising are going? If it is true that these folks have helped themselves to any of the organization's money then someone needs to do something, but if they are doing it, I wonder how long it has gone on and when will it stop!
HELD ACCOUNTABLE

Chicago, IL

#15 Oct 5, 2009
Here is your problem, the OF Park District does hold all these other programs accountable by govenering there accounts. Baseball is the only organization that has not had to show the books to anybody. You parents have paid for most of the furnishings in Mr. Kipps house along with the numerous cases of beer that have been drank, and finally all the bets to his good buddy the bookie (Jim.) String this board up and get rid of all of them, then you might get a few more parents bak in baseball.
Oak Forest parent

Oak Forest, IL

#16 Oct 5, 2009
For those of you that think getting the park district involved in the OFBA mess..... that's a mistake. The park district can't do anything about OFBA because they don't govern that organization. The only thing they can do is take away all of the baseball fields and then the kids won't have anywhere to play. Is that really fair to punish the kids for what grown adults have done? It's unfortunate that the families and the kids are the ones who suffer. Mark Kipp is a thief and there is no doubt about it. But it goes further than that. The OFBA board claims they did everything they could but they didn't. They allowed this man to coach several teams and continue on the board even after there was some suspicion that funds were missing. OFBA has had many undesirabe people on their board and not many of them were on it for the good of the organization. Some were on to steal money, allow their kids to use the batting cages even though the kids were too old to be in the organization. They allowed coaches on a 12 yr. old team to make fools of themselves by fighting at games and tournaments. This is an embarrassment to the organization and to the city. DO you really think the park district is going to do anything about this?? Nope because they are too busy disrupting football games to have an exhibition for lacrosse. And the softball board quit because of what a current park district board member did. Did anyone forget that Mark Kipp spent years on the flag football board? I bet the park district never questioned anything with him there since they were well in their right to. Why was the cost to play flag football so high? I'm sure because Mark decided to steal from that organization as well and the park district turned their nose on that. Every organization in this city is corrupt. These people are very selfish and only want for themselves and their own kids. Shame on OFBA and the park district for making us look like a bunch of idiots!!!!!
Oak Forest parent

Oak Forest, IL

#17 Oct 5, 2009
The park district is too busy creating programs (C. Sopko) to benefit his own kid. The park district doesn't have any rights and it's funny that some of these park district board members have kids that played in OFBA and never said a word. These park district board members just like anyone else in OFBA had to oportunity to throw their hat in the ring and get nominated for OFBA board positions but they didn't have time. The park district will never get involved and that is a good thing. It is now up to the current OFBA board members to start making a positive impact in the community and start doing the right thing. The first thing should be to criminally pursue Kipp. Make him the example and set the standard NOW before it's too late!!!!!
Concerned Baseball Mom wrote:
So the other Baseball Board knew about this ? That is the same as participating in the scam. Who is the head of this organization ? Everyone should demand Baseball Governing body resignations now. As for the Park Dist. assistance....forget it. One of my neighbors tried to reason with the Park about this situation for some time but the subject always fell on deaf ears at Park District level
OFBA Website

Chicago, IL

#18 Oct 6, 2009
So you are saying that there is nothing that the governing organization (Park District) can do? You are also saying that this is only a one person deal, but someone has pointed to some other influences on the OFBA Board that are still on this current board, how can they police themselves with that influence? Would it not be in the best interest of the membership of OFBA to change that Board Leadership or you just go down the same path again? How are you proposing to fix the situation?

You are also saying that there were problems with self interest before this current action. I will ask you all again, why did someone not stand up and make a complaint? How far back is this problem and due to the fact that there is a LOT of money going through that organization every year, there seems to be some complicity in the actions of these board members? It tends to be a problem that should be sent to the States Attorney' Office.

You comment that this OFBA Board needs to step up and clean the house per say, what about the current Park District Board, people voted for these people to lead this organization, not for their self interests, but for the whole community are you telling us they cannot do that?

If the States Attorney gets involved they would probably want to know how the Park District Board allowed an organiztion like this to get this far down this path! I guess the main question should be who is watching the store for any of these organizations? Also, if nothing is done these folks just tend to wind up in other organizations - such as the High School Booster clubs!

If nothing is done then it will just continue, new faces same problems. let's not make examples, let's clean it up get restitution and force anyone that is complicit with this to relinquish their leardership roles!! That mean the OFBA Board or the Park District Board!
Oak Forest parent wrote:
The park district is too busy creating programs (C. Sopko) to benefit his own kid. The park district doesn't have any rights and it's funny that some of these park district board members have kids that played in OFBA and never said a word. These park district board members just like anyone else in OFBA had to oportunity to throw their hat in the ring and get nominated for OFBA board positions but they didn't have time. The park district will never get involved and that is a good thing. It is now up to the current OFBA board members to start making a positive impact in the community and start doing the right thing. The first thing should be to criminally pursue Kipp. Make him the example and set the standard NOW before it's too late!!!!!
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get all the facts first

Oak Forest, IL

#19 Oct 6, 2009
The baseball association board has made many changes for the postitive in the past few years. The unsavory people running the show are now gone and new people have stepped in to make this organization about the children. Yes, the board asked for Mr.Kipps resignation and it was time for him to move on. Before you "blog" half truths and inuendos ask the right people for the right information. Fields have been improved, cages opened up for use by all members throughout the off season, coaches clinics and players clinics initiated to help all member. The website has improved and is currently being updated with the new by-laws and information. The direction is far more positive than negative, it takes awhile to overhaul an organization. The current board is on the right path to making that positive change.
Help be supportive of the new direction and attend a baseball general meeting. Be a part of the positive not the negative.
THE OTHER SIDE

Oak Forest, IL

#20 Oct 6, 2009
get all the facts first wrote:
The baseball association board has made many changes for the postitive in the past few years. The unsavory people running the show are now gone and new people have stepped in to make this organization about the children. Yes, the board asked for Mr.Kipps resignation and it was time for him to move on. Before you "blog" half truths and inuendos ask the right people for the right information. Fields have been improved, cages opened up for use by all members throughout the off season, coaches clinics and players clinics initiated to help all member. The website has improved and is currently being updated with the new by-laws and information. The direction is far more positive than negative, it takes awhile to overhaul an organization. The current board is on the right path to making that positive change.
Help be supportive of the new direction and attend a baseball general meeting. Be a part of the positive not the negative.
YOU CAN THROW UP ALL THE SMOKE AND MIRRORS YOU WANT IN YOUR STATEMENT, BUT I KNOW MARK KIPP AND HE IS AN HONORABLE MAN! HE HAS COACHED MY SON ON MANY LEVELS AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN FOR THE BEST INTEREST OF THE KIDS! THIS SMELLS OF A SMEAR, AND SOUNDS LIKE THE SMEAR THAT HAS GONE ON BEFORE IN OTHER AREAS OF THIS CITY! WHAT IS THE COMMON THREAD HERE - LET'S SEE - WHO IS ON THE BOARD OF OFBA NOW? THAT'S WHERE THIS ALL STARTS! LOOK AT THE NAMES AND YOU WILL SEE HOW THIS ALL FITS!!
WHO'S WORDS DO THESE SOUND LIKE? AND WHY WON'T THE PARK DISTRICT LOOK INTO THIS MATTER? MAYBE WITH TWO CITY EMPLOYEES SITTING ON THE BOARD AND ANOTHER BOARD MEMBER ASKING FOR POLITICAL FAVORS, MAYBE THAT IS WHY IT IS TIME TO SMEAR THE ONLY PERSON THAT MIGHT QUESTION THE ODD GOINGS ON OF THIS ORGANIZATION!
IT IS NOT WHO STOLE WHAT THAT IS THE QUESTION, THE QUESTION SHOULD BE HOW MANY OF THEM ARE IN ON IT? EVERY TIME YOU SEE A YOUTH TEAM WITH A TIGER OR BLUE DEMON OUTFIT BEGGING FOR MONEY YOU CAN BET THAT IT IS THIS GROUP THAT IS INVOLVED. NO ONE MONITORS THEM, NO ONE ASKS THEM ANY QUESTIONS BECAUSE MAYBE THEY DON'T WANT THE ANSWERS! THE FEES JUST CONTINUE TO RISE AND WHERE DOES ALL THIS MONEY GO? IF YOU THINK IT IS FOR THE TRAINING OF THE BASEBALL PLAYERS YOU ARE SADLY MISTAKEN!
IN EXPLAINING THE "POSITIVE" DIRECTION YOU HAVE STATED NOTHING NEW THAT WAS DONE OR IS BEING DONE! NOW EXPLAIN WHY THE BY-LAWS WERE CHANGED FOR WHAT REASON - MAYBE IT DIDN'T SUIT YOUR GOAL OF CONTROL. WHAT WAS WRONG WITH THE OLD BY-LAWS THAT WERE FOUNDED WITH THE HELP OF THE PARK DISTRICT AND FOUNDED ON PONY PRINCIPALS? WHERE IS ALL THAT HISTORY AND BACKGROUND?
HOW MANY OF YOUR CURRENT MEMBERSHIP VOTED ON THESE BY-LAWS AS SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE BY YOUR CHARTER? OR DID YOU NOT KNOW ABOUT THAT?
FOR ME AS YOU DRAG THIS MAN'S NAME THROUGH THE MUD IT IS TIME FOR THE PARK IF THEY HAVE ANY GUTS TO STEP IN AND MAKE THIS ORGANIZATION RIGHT, IF THEY CAN'T THEN MAYBE SOMEONE COULD CALL THE STATE TO SEE IF SOMEONE THERE WILL GET RID OF ALL THESE SCOUNDRALS ON THIS BOARD! ALL THE MONEY FOR THE KIDS AND IT IS NOT A PERSON LIKE MARK KIPP THAT SHOULD BE TREATED LIKE THIS, IT IS THE REST OF THIS BOARD THAT TELLS US THAT IT IS FOR THE CHILDREN - GIVE US A BREAK!

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