Pat Robertson Concludes Sikh Temple S...

Pat Robertson Concludes Sikh Temple Shooting Because 'Atheists Hate God'

There are 202 comments on the story from Aug 6, 2012, titled Pat Robertson Concludes Sikh Temple Shooting Because 'Atheists Hate God'. In it, reports that:

On his 700 Club program Monday morning, televangelist Pat Robertson came to the conclusion that Sunday morning’s Sikh temple massacre in Oak Creek, Wisc., was ultimately because “atheists hate God.”

“What is it?” Robertson wondered aloud. “Is it satanic? Is it some spiritual thing?”

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“Land of Entrapment”

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#211 Aug 12, 2012
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Thanks for that Nijoni.
<quoted text> Personal firearms kill citizens, not foreign invaders.
<quoted text>I do that all the time. It is becomeing an ever-more interconnected world. There's much to learn from each other - if one cares to do so..
Living in our own national cocoons sounds impractical to me.(I can learn from you anyway, even if you learn nothing from me :-)
Clearly many of these killers are sane in the legal sense and can function quite well in society most of the time. The trick is to identify (1) who and (2) when they might not.
In fact, only 10 percent of violence is related to mental illness, says Edward Mulvey, a professor of psychiatry at the University of Pittsburgh, who sees little difference in the type of violence among people who are, and are not, mentally ill.“There is an idea that they do a lot more violence against strangers, but mostly it’s related to an acquaintance, a family member, the same as for non-mentally ill people". Unquote.
But he notes that people in the USA "A lot of people exist apart from regular daily contact with others.."
And what Tanay says (in the link) suggests that the USA doesn't have the social services arrangements that are likely to prove reactive and timely.
What I think I have learned that anticipating spree killings requires early intervention, as with limiting all types of crime. People almost never just go out and shoot people, there are warning signs that are usually only recognised in hindsight. UK social services can probably get better at that.
Another factor for the UK (and any society flexible and reasonable enough to introduce it) is tight gun controls. That seems to stop some sprees tends to limit the damage when a spree occurs.
Another factor is probably a good social safety net. Stress and isolation seem to be factors in pushing troubled or ill people into crisis. Remove that, the means to kill quickly and effectively, and eleviate the stress of feeling out of touch with people who are stable, well grounded role models - all of that is may help.
Some people feel 'like losers' or alienated from the local or national society which they often perceive as under attack or in which they have no stake. Many spree killers seem to feel inconsequential, rejected &/or inadaquate. All of these things can theoretically be better addressed (in the UK).
The Uk has no where near the land mass of the US> No, we don't have these resources and I for one, do not want more Govt or Big Brother. If our current laws were Enforced, we wouldn't be having many of these issues.(ANd if people were to remember their civic and moral obligations). I agree that there are usually signs. My point is people are so busy aquiring their personal gains and security that society itself is crumbling. People need other People, unfortuante as this may be. Many are left on the wayside.
I don't think the American ways are always the best...I do know what we are dealing with though. Europeans are generally more educated and able to form more open minded opinions. America needs to find herself right now. But with many feeling with have a Marxist in power, now is NOT the time to ask AMericans to give up their arms- I don't think you will find many too open minded that live in rural America.

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#212 Aug 12, 2012
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