Seven Killed at Sikh Temple in Wisconsin

Seven Killed at Sikh Temple in Wisconsin

There are 118 comments on the Wall Street Journal story from Aug 5, 2012, titled Seven Killed at Sikh Temple in Wisconsin. In it, Wall Street Journal reports that:

OAK CREEK, Wis. - A mass shooting at a Sikh temple south of Milwaukee left seven people dead Sunday, including the suspected gunman, in what police called an act of domestic terrorism.

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downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#107 Aug 8, 2012
Eric L wrote:
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Several problems with your comparison: Loughner was not ascertained to be either left or right wing, just insane. Jim Jones led a cult and was hardly a "hero" of the whole political left. Jones cult certainly never had as many left wing followers as Adolf Hitler had on the political right (Wade Michael Page being among Hitler's admirers). As a matter of fact, you have just opened up Pandora's jar with this line of reasoning since the Jonestown cult is dead, but there are still thousands of right wing Nazi admirers in the US alone who commit crimes, go on murder sprees and fantacize about their stupid race war project. It is the far right that bought this poisonous ideology into the US and the whole country unfortunately ends up paying for in one way or another.
In 1951, Jones became a member of the Communist Party USA, and began attending meetings and rallies in Indianapolis.[12]

By the spring of 1976, Jones began openly admitting even to outsiders that he was an atheist.[40]

By the early 1970s, Jones began deriding traditional Christianity as "fly away religion," rejecting the Bible as being white men’s justification to subordinate women and subjugate people of color and stating that it spoke of a "Sky God" who was no God at all.[12]

Unlike most other figures deemed as cult leaders, Jones was able to gain public support and contact with prominent local and national United States politicians. For example, Jones and Moscone met privately with vice presidential candidate Walter Mondale on his campaign plane days before the 1976 election and Mondale publicly praised the Temple.[42][43] First LadyRosalynn Carter also personally met with Jones on multiple occasions, corresponded with him about Cuba, and spoke with him at the grand opening of the San Francisco Democratic Party Headquarters where Jones garnered louder applause than Mrs. Carter.[42][44][45]

In his San Francisco Temple apartment, Jones regularly hosted San Francisco radical political figures such as Angela Davis for discussions.[51]

He spoke with friend and San Francisco Sun-Reporter publisher Dr. Carlton Goodlett about Jones' remorse regarding not being able to travel to socialist countries such as China and the Soviet Union, speculating that he could be Chief Dairyman of the Soviet Union.[52]

Despite the Temple's fear that the IRS was investigating its religious tax exemption, by 1977 Marceline Jones admitted to the New York Times that, as early as age 18 when he watched his then idol Mao Zedong overthrow the Chinese government, Jim Jones realized that the way to achieve social change through Marxism in the United States was to mobilize people through religion.[36] She stated that "Jim used religion to try to get some people out of the opiate of religion," and had slammed the Bible on the table yelling "I've got to destroy this paper idol!"[36] In one sermon, Jones said that, "You're gonna help yourself, or you'll get no help! There's only one hope of glory; that's within you! Nobody's gonna come out of the sky! There's no heaven up there! We'll have to make heaven down here!"[6]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#108 Aug 8, 2012
Eric L wrote:
<quoted text>
Several problems with your comparison: Loughner was not ascertained to be either left or right wing, just insane. Jim Jones led a cult and was hardly a "hero" of the whole political left. Jones cult certainly never had as many left wing followers as Adolf Hitler had on the political right (Wade Michael Page being among Hitler's admirers). As a matter of fact, you have just opened up Pandora's jar with this line of reasoning since the Jonestown cult is dead, but there are still thousands of right wing Nazi admirers in the US alone who commit crimes, go on murder sprees and fantacize about their stupid race war project. It is the far right that bought this poisonous ideology into the US and the whole country unfortunately ends up paying for in one way or another.
Caitie Parker, a classmate of Jared lee Loughner, describes the shooter as "left wing" .Caitie also said he was a pot head and was into the music of Hendrix, The Doors, and Anti-Flag.“We listened to political punk in high school & agreed with their leftist opinions for the most part. Anti-Flag was our band.”

Loughner wrote "I didn’t write a(religious) belief on my Army application, and the recruiter wrote on the application: None. In one of his videos he is seen burning an American flag.


Hitler was a left wing socialist.

The National Socialist Workers Party of Germany".
Hitler and the Brownshirts advocated the nationalization of education, health care(Adolfcare lol), transportation, national resources, manufacturing, distribution and law enforcement. Hitler came to power by turning the working class, unemployed, and academic elite against the conservative republic. After Der Fuhrer's election ceased being a political conspiracy and was transformed into a fashionable social phenomenon, party membership was especially popular with educators, bureaucrats, and the press. How left can you get?

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions"
Adolf Hitler
(Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306)
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#109 Aug 8, 2012
Eric L wrote:
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No, the Nazis were a far right wing political movement. My major was in history and virtually none of my peers in either history, political science, or sociology would agree with your views either. If you mean to quote Jonah Goldberg's farce as a source for your erroneous views, his so called "thesis" has been thoroughly and systematically debunked by scholars of fascism too.
The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics
Fascism
by Sheldon Richman


As an economic system , fascism is socialism with a capitalist veneer

Where socialism sought totalitarian control of a society’s economic processes through direct state operation of the means of production, fascism sought that control indirectly, through domination of nominally private owners. Where socialism nationalized property explicitly, fascism did so implicitly, by requiring owners to use their property in the “national interest”—that is, as the autocratic authority conceived it.(Nevertheless, a few industries were operated by the state.) Where socialism abolished all market relations outright, fascism left the appearance of market relations while planning all economic activities. Where socialism abolished money and prices, fascism controlled the monetary system and set all prices and wages politically. In doing all this, fascism denatured the marketplace. Entrepreneurshipwas abolished. State ministries, rather than consumers, determined what was produced and under what conditions......

The fascist leaders’ antagonism to communism has been misinterpreted as an affinity for capitalism. In fact, fascists’ anticommunism was motivated by a belief that in the collectivist milieu of early-twentieth-century Europe, communism was its closest rival for people’s allegiance. As with communism, under fascism, every citizen was regarded as an employee and tenant of the totalitarian, party-dominated state. Consequently, it was the state’s prerogative to use force, or the threat of it, to suppress even peaceful opposition.

.http://www.econlib.org/librar y/Enc/Fascism.html
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#110 Aug 8, 2012
Eric L wrote:
<quoted text>
No, the Nazis were a far right wing political movement. My major was in history and virtually none of my peers in either history, political science, or sociology would agree with your views either. If you mean to quote Jonah Goldberg's farce as a source for your erroneous views, his so called "thesis" has been thoroughly and systematically debunked by scholars of fascism too.
Tom Wolfe's biting essay on American intellectuals also summarizes the origins of Fascism and Nazism rather well. Here is one excerpt from it:

"Fascism" was, in fact, a Marxist coinage. Marxists borrowed the name of Mussolini's Italian party, the Fascisti, and applied it to Hitler's Nazis, adroitly papering over the fact that the Nazis, like Marxism's standard-bearers, the Soviet Communists, were revolutionary socialists. In fact, "Nazi" was (most annoyingly) shorthand for the National Socialist German Workers' Party. European Marxists successfully put over the idea that Nazism was the brutal, decadent last gasp of "capitalism."

{From the essay "In the Land of the Rococo Marxists" originally appearing in the June 2000 Harper's Monthly and reprinted in Wolfe's book 'Hooking Up'.
Eric L

AOL

#111 Aug 8, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
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The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics
Fascism
by Sheldon Richman
As an economic system , fascism is socialism with a capitalist veneer
Where socialism sought totalitarian control of a society’s economic processes through direct state operation of the means of production, fascism sought that control indirectly, through domination of nominally private owners. Where socialism nationalized property explicitly, fascism did so implicitly, by requiring owners to use their property in the “national interest”—that is, as the autocratic authority conceived it.(Nevertheless, a few industries were operated by the state.) Where socialism abolished all market relations outright, fascism left the appearance of market relations while planning all economic activities. Where socialism abolished money and prices, fascism controlled the monetary system and set all prices and wages politically. In doing all this, fascism denatured the marketplace. Entrepreneurshipwas abolished. State ministries, rather than consumers, determined what was produced and under what conditions......
The fascist leaders’ antagonism to communism has been misinterpreted as an affinity for capitalism. In fact, fascists’ anticommunism was motivated by a belief that in the collectivist milieu of early-twentieth-century Europe, communism was its closest rival for people’s allegiance. As with communism, under fascism, every citizen was regarded as an employee and tenant of the totalitarian, party-dominated state. Consequently, it was the state’s prerogative to use force, or the threat of it, to suppress even peaceful opposition.
.http://www.econlib.org/librar y/Enc/Fascism.html
I noticed that none of Richman's credentials show that he was an historian at all. He is a libertarian conservative think tank operative with no expertise in the subject whatsoever, hence he narrows everything down to a libertarian economic determinist opinion (very selectively interpreted at that) and completely leaves out the social aspects of Nazi ideology that made it a uiquely right wing ideology. Here are some more credible links to the subject from those who have studied it in depth:
http://www.hnn.us/articles/122231.html
Eric L

AOL

#112 Aug 8, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
<quoted text>
In 1951, Jones became a member of the Communist Party USA, and began attending meetings and rallies in Indianapolis.[12]
By the spring of 1976, Jones began openly admitting even to outsiders that he was an atheist.[40]
By the early 1970s, Jones began deriding traditional Christianity as "fly away religion," rejecting the Bible as being white men’s justification to subordinate women and subjugate people of color and stating that it spoke of a "Sky God" who was no God at all.[12]
Unlike most other figures deemed as cult leaders, Jones was able to gain public support and contact with prominent local and national United States politicians. For example, Jones and Moscone met privately with vice presidential candidate Walter Mondale on his campaign plane days before the 1976 election and Mondale publicly praised the Temple.[42][43] First LadyRosalynn Carter also personally met with Jones on multiple occasions, corresponded with him about Cuba, and spoke with him at the grand opening of the San Francisco Democratic Party Headquarters where Jones garnered louder applause than Mrs. Carter.[42][44][45]
In his San Francisco Temple apartment, Jones regularly hosted San Francisco radical political figures such as Angela Davis for discussions.[51]
He spoke with friend and San Francisco Sun-Reporter publisher Dr. Carlton Goodlett about Jones' remorse regarding not being able to travel to socialist countries such as China and the Soviet Union, speculating that he could be Chief Dairyman of the Soviet Union.[52]
Despite the Temple's fear that the IRS was investigating its religious tax exemption, by 1977 Marceline Jones admitted to the New York Times that, as early as age 18 when he watched his then idol Mao Zedong overthrow the Chinese government, Jim Jones realized that the way to achieve social change through Marxism in the United States was to mobilize people through religion.[36] She stated that "Jim used religion to try to get some people out of the opiate of religion," and had slammed the Bible on the table yelling "I've got to destroy this paper idol!"[36] In one sermon, Jones said that, "You're gonna help yourself, or you'll get no help! There's only one hope of glory; that's within you! Nobody's gonna come out of the sky! There's no heaven up there! We'll have to make heaven down here!"[6]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones
All of this info over a dead cult still doesn't explain the right wing attraction for the likes of the KKK and the neo Nazis, nor the thousands of people they've murdered in the US since the 1860s. These right wing groups and their supporters have easily been the deadliest mass domestic terrorist presence in US history. Nothing else (i.e. Coxy's army, Black Panther's,Bonus Marchers, Anarchists) even comes close when it comes to disruptive and murderous violence combined with fringe mainstream appeal.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#113 Aug 8, 2012
Eric L wrote:
<quoted text>
I noticed that none of Richman's credentials show that he was an historian at all. He is a libertarian conservative think tank operative with no expertise in the subject whatsoever, hence he narrows everything down to a libertarian economic determinist opinion (very selectively interpreted at that) and completely leaves out the social aspects of Nazi ideology that made it a uiquely right wing ideology. Here are some more credible links to the subject from those who have studied it in depth:
http://www.hnn.us/articles/122231.html
"The identification of Nazi Germany as a socialist state was one of the many great contributions of Ludwig von Mises."
http://mises.org/daily/1937

"The Nazis have not only imitated the Bolshevist tactics of seizing power. They have copied much more. They have imported from Russia the one-party system and the privileged role of this party and its members in public life; the paramount position of the secret police; the organization of affiliated parties abroad which are employed in fighting their domestic governments and in sabotage and espionage, assisted by public funds and the protection of the diplomatic and consular service; the administrative execution and imprisonment of political adversaries; concentration camps; the punishment inflicted on the families of exiles; the methods of propaganda. They have borrowed from the Marxians even such absurdities as the mode of address, party comrade (Parteigenosse), derived from the Marxian comrade (Genosse), and the use of a military terminology for all items of civil and economic life. The question is not in which respects both systems are alike but in which they differ..."
Ludwig Von Mises(1944)

"In Nazi Germany there is no longer any question of free enterprise. There are no more entrepreneurs. The former entrepreneurs have been reduced to the status of shop managers. They are not free in their operation; they are bound to obey unconditionally the orders issued by the Central Board of of Production Management and its subordinate district and branch offices. The government not only determines the prices and
interest rates to be paid, and to be asked, the height of wages and salaries, the amount to be produced, and the methods to be applied in production....This system has, but for the use of some terms, nothing in common with capitalism and a market economy. It is simply socialism of the German pattern. And it is, of course, like the Russian system, a mode that is pure authoritarian."
Ludwig Von Mises, "Bureaucracy"

"From the point of view of fundamental human liberties there is little to choose between communism, socialism, and national socialism. They all are examples of the collectivist or totalitarian state ... in its essentials not only is completed socialism the same as communism but it hardly differs from fascism."
Ivor Thomas, in The Socialist Tragedy (1951), p. 241

"There is more that binds us to Bolshevism than separates us from it. There is, above all, genuine, revolutionary feeling, which is alive everywhere in Russia except where there are Jewish Marxists. I have always made allowance for this circumstance, and given orders that former Communists are to be admitted to the party at once. The petit bourgeois Social-Democrat and the trade-union boss will never make a National Socialist, but the Communists always will."
Adolf Hitler


Left wing socialists
Eric L

AOL

#116 Aug 8, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
<quoted text>
"The identification of Nazi Germany as a socialist state was one of the many great contributions of Ludwig von Mises."
http://mises.org/daily/1937
"The Nazis have not only imitated the Bolshevist tactics of seizing power. They have copied much more. They have imported from Russia the one-party system and the privileged role of this party and its members in public life; the paramount position of the secret police; the organization of affiliated parties abroad which are employed in fighting their domestic governments and in sabotage and espionage, assisted by public funds and the protection of the diplomatic and consular service; the administrative execution and imprisonment of political adversaries; concentration camps; the punishment inflicted on the families of exiles; the methods of propaganda. They have borrowed from the Marxians even such absurdities as the mode of address, party comrade (Parteigenosse), derived from the Marxian comrade (Genosse), and the use of a military terminology for all items of civil and economic life. The question is not in which respects both systems are alike but in which they differ..."
Ludwig Von Mises(1944)
"In Nazi Germany there is no longer any question of free enterprise. There are no more entrepreneurs. The former entrepreneurs have been reduced to the status of shop managers. They are not free in their operation; they are bound to obey unconditionally the orders issued by the Central Board of of Production Management and its subordinate district and branch offices. The government not only determines the prices and
interest rates to be paid, and to be asked, the height of wages and salaries, the amount to be produced, and the methods to be applied in production....This system has, but for the use of some terms, nothing in common with capitalism and a market economy. It is simply socialism of the German pattern. And it is, of course, like the Russian system, a mode that is pure authoritarian."
Ludwig Von Mises, "Bureaucracy"
"From the point of view of fundamental human liberties there is little to choose between communism, socialism, and national socialism. They all are examples of the collectivist or totalitarian state ... in its essentials not only is completed socialism the same as communism but it hardly differs from fascism."
Ivor Thomas, in The Socialist Tragedy (1951), p. 241
"There is more that binds us to Bolshevism than separates us from it. There is, above all, genuine, revolutionary feeling, which is alive everywhere in Russia except where there are Jewish Marxists. I have always made allowance for this circumstance, and given orders that former Communists are to be admitted to the party at once. The petit bourgeois Social-Democrat and the trade-union boss will never make a National Socialist, but the Communists always will."
Adolf Hitler
Left wing socialists
First of all, the Nazis took Eurpean colonialism abroad and simply applied it to Europe proper.:
Anti Semitism (something that Libertarianism could never answer properly)-Europe since Constantinus (Germany had a rich history regarding pograms too);
Racism (partly modern colonialism and Compte De Gobineau);
Liebenstraum - a popular idea among right wing German nationalists, including admiral Von Tirpitz.
Concentration Camps and more importantly Death Camps and Mengele style medical experiments on humans- The Herero War under the Kaiser Wilhelm II regime (Colonialist and definitely not a bastion of liberalism, nor suporters of Marx).Many of the core original Nazis who thought up the death camps/ medical experiments were veterans (often officers) in the Herero war.
The Waffen SS/Gestapo etc.- all outgrowths of the Prussian state with its Friekorps under the firm command of Prussian Junkers like Hans von Seekt.
Eric L

AOL

#118 Aug 8, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
<quoted text>
"The identification of Nazi Germany as a socialist state was one of the many great contributions of Ludwig von Mises."
http://mises.org/daily/1937
"The Nazis have not only imitated the Bolshevist tactics of seizing power. They have copied much more. They have imported from Russia the one-party system and the privileged role of this party and its members in public life; the paramount position of the secret police; the organization of affiliated parties abroad which are employed in fighting their domestic governments and in sabotage and espionage, assisted by public funds and the protection of the diplomatic and consular service; the administrative execution and imprisonment of political adversaries; concentration camps; the punishment inflicted on the families of exiles; the methods of propaganda. They have borrowed from the Marxians even such absurdities as the mode of address, party comrade (Parteigenosse), derived from the Marxian comrade (Genosse), and the use of a military terminology for all items of civil and economic life. The question is not in which respects both systems are alike but in which they differ..."
Ludwig Von Mises(1944)
"In Nazi Germany there is no longer any question of free enterprise. There are no more entrepreneurs. The former entrepreneurs have been reduced to the status of shop managers. They are not free in their operation; they are bound to obey unconditionally the orders issued by the Central Board of of Production Management and its subordinate district and branch offices. The government not only determines the prices and
interest rates to be paid, and to be asked, the height of wages and salaries, the amount to be produced, and the methods to be applied in production....This system has, but for the use of some terms, nothing in common with capitalism and a market economy. It is simply socialism of the German pattern. And it is, of course, like the Russian system, a mode that is pure authoritarian."
Ludwig Von Mises, "Bureaucracy"
"From the point of view of fundamental human liberties there is little to choose between communism, socialism, and national socialism. They all are examples of the collectivist or totalitarian state ... in its essentials not only is completed socialism the same as communism but it hardly differs from fascism."
Ivor Thomas, in The Socialist Tragedy (1951), p. 241
"There is more that binds us to Bolshevism than separates us from it. There is, above all, genuine, revolutionary feeling, which is alive everywhere in Russia except where there are Jewish Marxists. I have always made allowance for this circumstance, and given orders that former Communists are to be admitted to the party at once. The petit bourgeois Social-Democrat and the trade-union boss will never make a National Socialist, but the Communists always will."
Adolf Hitler
Left wing socialists
The usage of secret police (including spies and saboteurs in Germany and abroad, moles, torture, extrajudicial murder) was already well established in Germany under the Kaiser Wilhelm II regime, especially during the defacto dictatorship of Hindenberg/Ludendorf. Those figures who along with Von Epp and Von Seekt who would play pivotal roles in the rise and application of Nazi doctrines- none of them communist, let alone socialist or liberal in any sense.
Eric L

AOL

#119 Aug 8, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
<quoted text>
"The identification of Nazi Germany as a socialist state was one of the many great contributions of Ludwig von Mises."
http://mises.org/daily/1937
"The Nazis have not only imitated the Bolshevist tactics of seizing power. They have copied much more. They have imported from Russia the one-party system and the privileged role of this party and its members in public life; the paramount position of the secret police; the organization of affiliated parties abroad which are employed in fighting their domestic governments and in sabotage and espionage, assisted by public funds and the protection of the diplomatic and consular service; the administrative execution and imprisonment of political adversaries; concentration camps; the punishment inflicted on the families of exiles; the methods of propaganda. They have borrowed from the Marxians even such absurdities as the mode of address, party comrade (Parteigenosse), derived from the Marxian comrade (Genosse), and the use of a military terminology for all items of civil and economic life. The question is not in which respects both systems are alike but in which they differ..."
Ludwig Von Mises(1944)
"In Nazi Germany there is no longer any question of free enterprise. There are no more entrepreneurs. The former entrepreneurs have been reduced to the status of shop managers. They are not free in their operation; they are bound to obey unconditionally the orders issued by the Central Board of of Production Management and its subordinate district and branch offices. The government not only determines the prices and
interest rates to be paid, and to be asked, the height of wages and salaries, the amount to be produced, and the methods to be applied in production....This system has, but for the use of some terms, nothing in common with capitalism and a market economy. It is simply socialism of the German pattern. And it is, of course, like the Russian system, a mode that is pure authoritarian."
Ludwig Von Mises, "Bureaucracy"
"From the point of view of fundamental human liberties there is little to choose between communism, socialism, and national socialism. They all are examples of the collectivist or totalitarian state ... in its essentials not only is completed socialism the same as communism but it hardly differs from fascism."
Ivor Thomas, in The Socialist Tragedy (1951), p. 241
"There is more that binds us to Bolshevism than separates us from it. There is, above all, genuine, revolutionary feeling, which is alive everywhere in Russia except where there are Jewish Marxists. I have always made allowance for this circumstance, and given orders that former Communists are to be admitted to the party at once. The petit bourgeois Social-Democrat and the trade-union boss will never make a National Socialist, but the Communists always will."
Adolf Hitler
Left wing socialists
Ludwig von Mises was an economist who served as a veteran in the Austro Hungarian army (Central Powers) during World War I. Everything that von Mises analysed (not always accurately either) was from the viewpoint of economics from a libertarian perspective. His arguments regarding the Nazi regime are rooted in an economic determinist point of view (much like Marx), and not from the standpoint of trying to figure out the actual social and political history accurately. For example, there were no independent trade unions in Nazi Germany for it was controlled by the state alone. That point just to name a few means that Nazi Germany was a statist dictatorship, but then again, so were most societies throughout human history (including the Soviet Union) but nothing makes them unique because all non democracies theoretically believed that the individual was subject to the state/ emperor/ dicataor etc. Mises misses the forest for the trees.

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#120 Aug 9, 2012
What was the motive? Has anyone heard? It still wouldn't make sense, but I'd like to know what's going through the murderer's head!
Razors Edge

Oak Lawn, IL

#121 Aug 9, 2012
Kimberling wrote:
What was the motive? Has anyone heard? It still wouldn't make sense, but I'd like to know what's going through the murderer's head!
Maybe frustrated,depressed,angry,fed up with GOVT??
Just a wild guess??? Maybe I am totally wrong he
could just be insane?????

“and how does this effect you?”

Since: Mar 11

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#122 Aug 9, 2012
Razors Edge wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe frustrated,depressed,angry,fed up with GOVT??
Just a wild guess??? Maybe I am totally wrong he
could just be insane?????
all murderers are insane. You'd have to be insane to kill someone.
Razors Edge

Oak Lawn, IL

#123 Aug 9, 2012
Kimberling wrote:
<quoted text>
all murderers are insane. You'd have to be insane to kill someone.
You must be very young? All killers in the USA,are
not insane..Or the Prisons would be half empty?????
Please give some thought to what you state in the
future,makes you look dumb other wise OK??

“and how does this effect you?”

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#124 Aug 9, 2012
Razors Edge wrote:
<quoted text>You must be very young? All killers in the USA,are
not insane..Or the Prisons would be half empty?????
Please give some thought to what you state in the
future,makes you look dumb other wise OK??
of course, all sane people go around killing people! I didn't mean the legal definition of insanity! I just mean normal sane people do not kill others.(except for self defense, but I don't call those murderers) I'm 34, I don't know what your definition of really young is, but there you go. Btw, dumb means you cannot speak, and I assure you I can speak just fine. I think you mean stupid, which, by the way, I am not. I have three degrees:)
Razors Edge

Oak Lawn, IL

#125 Aug 9, 2012
Kimberling wrote:
<quoted text>
of course, all sane people go around killing people! I didn't mean the legal definition of insanity! I just mean normal sane people do not kill others.(except for self defense, but I don't call those murderers) I'm 34, I don't know what your definition of really young is, but there you go. Btw, dumb means you cannot speak, and I assure you I can speak just fine. I think you mean stupid, which, by the way, I am not. I have three degrees:)
DEGREES MEAN ZERO RE STREET CREDS,STREET WISE..
I GET IT YOU MEANT CRAZY MFS..THE WAY YOU PRESENTED
IT WAS NAIVE?? INSANITY IS REALLY TOUGH TO DEFINE
IN THE USA,AND WITH CRIMES INVOLVED ITS A WORN OUT
PLOY?? JUST IMAGINE HOW MANY INSANE PERSONS ARE IN
PRISON MINGLING WITH GUARDS,INMATES,AND ACTUALLY
KILLING THEM,BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN CLASSIFIED AS
SANE,UNDER OUR CURRENT SYSTEM?????

“and how does this effect you?”

Since: Mar 11

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#126 Aug 9, 2012
Razors Edge wrote:
<quoted text>DEGREES MEAN ZERO RE STREET CREDS,STREET WISE..
I GET IT YOU MEANT CRAZY MFS..THE WAY YOU PRESENTED
IT WAS NAIVE?? INSANITY IS REALLY TOUGH TO DEFINE
IN THE USA,AND WITH CRIMES INVOLVED ITS A WORN OUT
PLOY?? JUST IMAGINE HOW MANY INSANE PERSONS ARE IN
PRISON MINGLING WITH GUARDS,INMATES,AND ACTUALLY
KILLING THEM,BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN CLASSIFIED AS
SANE,UNDER OUR CURRENT SYSTEM?????
I consider myself having a little bit of common sense too. I do; however, recognize that I didn't make that clear. I watch a lot of criminal reality shows, like those that have cameras in jail. I believe all criminals are insane, there are the ones who have no idea of right and wrong, and the ones who are just crazy!
disgusted

Warrenville, IL

#127 Aug 10, 2012
Kimberling wrote:
<quoted text>
all murderers are insane. You'd have to be insane to kill someone.
no you wouldn't....evil or criminal often brings the same result as insane.

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