Why Queen Cleopatra was definitely not Black

Watching a local television program recently, I heard Spike Lee express his belief that Queen Cleopatra of Egypt was Black. Full Story

Since: Nov 12

Romania

#10649 Mar 2, 2013
Any european king since antiquity untill today was black, learn learn learn cos enlightment come hard me black as crows peep's., halelujah and AMEN for teh black kings.:^D Say teh truff brotha!:clappings and few old ladies fell in delirium, is so nice to be black king of Europe.
African AE

Durban, South Africa

#10650 Mar 3, 2013
-Piper- wrote:
@Eric
Be serious mate, she must've look just like any housewife from Kenya. If you say no, then your're nothing more than albino racist without history, since black peep's ruled Europe up until now.
:^)
Dim witted one NO BLACK PEOPLE EVER RULED EUROPE OR THE MIDDLE EAST! R*E*A*D
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cro-Magnon
African AE

Durban, South Africa

#10651 Mar 3, 2013
-Piper- wrote:
Any european king since antiquity untill today was black, learn learn learn cos enlightment come hard me black as crows peep's., halelujah and AMEN for teh black kings.:^D Say teh truff brotha!:clappings and few old ladies fell in delirium, is so nice to be black king of Europe.
Which black kings? There were never any black nation in Europe Afronazi F-HEAD! Look at the art of Europe, do you see any blacks in it?
Justanyone

Brussels, Belgium

#10653 Mar 8, 2013
Lenaki wrote:
<quoted text>Russian czars??? hahahahha now that's funny but im not surprised, I think they have some sort of complex about being black, im not racist though I just notice they don't seem to think right:DD
When you read that kind of thing, you wonder what's at play: insanity, mental deficiency, provocation (you wouldn't want to meet those characters irl),or just simple ignorance. But there is no doubt Afrocentrism is fueled by more intellectual types with an agenda. They must have an agenda as they are intellectually dishonest and wouldn't otherwise spread that sort of BS.
Justanyone

Brussels, Belgium

#10654 Mar 8, 2013
African AE wrote:
<quoted text>Which black kings? There were never any black nation in Europe Afronazi F-HEAD! Look at the art of Europe, do you see any blacks in it?
what do you mean, which black kings?
Of course they were all black, just as all the popes were black, not to mention Leondardo da Vinci and Einstein who were obviously black too.

Hell, didn't bishop Demond Tutu of South Africa Himself said we are all Africans ?
Justanyone

Brussels, Belgium

#10655 Mar 8, 2013
Eric456 wrote:
<quoted text>
You are crazy. Cleopatra did not look like some black chick, she was white. This is what Cleopatra looked like.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...
Come on man, this is history being rewritten.
Don't be a playa hater.:)

Don't you understand those people just *need* Julius Caesar to have fucked some black chick rather than a Grecian-Egyptian bloodline queen ?

Why don't you just let history be rewritten ? Eh ?
Is that so difficult ?
Justanyone

Brussels, Belgium

#10656 Mar 8, 2013
Faith wrote:
<quoted text>You a racist.
You are right.
He obviously knows what he is talking about, and what's more he daressticks to the truth, so he definitely must be a racist.
Gus

Cape Coral, FL

#10657 Mar 14, 2013
I believe Cleopatra was mix race (mulata) the reason must conquestor during that period rape the womans.Black used to slave people of different tribes whenever they become victorius, must woman were use as trophy.Also their put conquest people for sale to be servant depending on hierachy. The must influencial time in the middle east was the invasion of the hellenic and the romans.That how people of different complexion or skin color transcent. Samething happend in latin america.We are the rainbow of color.
Jeff

Natick, MA

#10658 Mar 14, 2013
Gus wrote:
I believe Cleopatra was mix race (mulata) the reason must conquestor during that period rape the womans.Black used to slave people of different tribes whenever they become victorius, must woman were use as trophy.Also their put conquest people for sale to be servant depending on hierachy. The must influencial time in the middle east was the invasion of the hellenic and the romans.That how people of different complexion or skin color transcent. Samething happend in latin america.We are the rainbow of color.
Incorrect. Cleopatra was not of 'mixed'(mulata) race. She was an inbred European who's family didn't intermix outside of their own kind. Royality did not produce heirs to their thrones with enslaved people because enslaved people were viewed as inferiors to the ruling conquerors back then. ALL Royality through out the world inbred to preserve their bloodlines and hold on to power. Even King Tut was an inbred royal who's family intermarried among themselves to perserve their bloodlines and hold on to power.
Gus

Cape Coral, FL

#10659 Mar 14, 2013
Cleopatra was a person of mix ethnicity maybe mulata.Reason woman was rape by soldier or conquestors.The influence of hellenic and romans group.Black also slave their own people, reason member of differents tribes.When a tribe was consquest they put woman and childrens for sale to become servant depending on hierachy.Slavery was common during that period.The slavery was also done in europe with different ecthnicity groups.The samething happend in the new world when England,France,Spain,Portugal and many other country from europe put many black and native indians in the same role as slave.So be careful maybe them start sending black to Mar together with hispanic and asian.
Jeff

Natick, MA

#10660 Mar 14, 2013
Gus wrote:
Cleopatra was a person of mix ethnicity maybe mulata.Reason woman was rape by soldier or conquestors.The influence of hellenic and romans group.Black also slave their own people, reason member of differents tribes.When a tribe was consquest they put woman and childrens for sale to become servant depending on hierachy.Slavery was common during that period.The slavery was also done in europe with different ecthnicity groups.The samething happend in the new world when England,France,Spain,Portugal and many other country from europe put many black and native indians in the same role as slave.So be careful maybe them start sending black to Mar together with hispanic and asian.
Stop posting nonsense. Cleopatra was not of 'mixed' ethnicity nor a 'mulata'. Cleopatra was as white as her name, she was an inbred European, and royals did not produce heirs to their thrones with SLAVES nor with the people they conquered cause they viewed them as inferior. Royality did not produce heirs to their thrones with enslaved people because enslaved people were viewed as inferiors to the ruling conquerors back then. ALL Royality through out the world inbred to preserve their bloodlines and hold on to power. Even King Tut was an inbred royal who's family intermarried among themselves to perserve their bloodlines and hold on to power.
TTZ

Gary, IN

#10661 Mar 14, 2013
Justanyone wrote:
<quoted text>
Come on man, this is history being rewritten.
Don't be a playa hater.:)
Don't you understand those people just *need* Julius Caesar to have fucked some black chick rather than a Grecian-Egyptian bloodline queen ?
Why don't you just let history be rewritten ? Eh ?
Is that so difficult ?
You have to know history before you can claim that it is being rewritten.
If anything, Neo-Afrocentrism and it's followers have been hitting the web hard posting anecdote and opinion as fact.
The reality is that no one knows exactly if Cleopatra was "white" or "black" or mixed.
All we have is what can be deduced from the writing of that era and NOT from authors hundreds of years later, who try to make definitive claims with no evidence.
From what evidence we do have of the Ptolemy's we know they are descendants of Alexander "the great" general or generals. The city bears his name, "Alexandria".
The Ptolemy's became the rulers of Egypt. The early, original Ptolemy's were of European ancestry, southern European to be more precise. Thus, not the northern European white's associated with England and the like, who took slavery to new heights into the modern ear.
I digress. We know as the historic records shows the Ptolemy's wanted to keep power within the family and thus practiced incest with father and daughter, brother and sister, uncle and niece, etc...
This assured a ruling bloodline, even though this was not good for their health in general.
Were there some black African women or men in the family? It's possible, but nothing definitive to be called 'fact'.
Was Cleopatra VII's mother not a Ptolemy? Again, possible but no fact or recording of it, yet, when a Ptolemaic ruler did have a non Ptolemy lover there are records. So, if Cleopatra's parents were of African or Middle Eastern descent it's likely to have been noted.
No such record exists.
Thus, history does not bear witness that Cleopatra was all black, nor part black.
To positively claim that Cleopatra was black is to simply rewrite history to fit a political or social agenda.
History shows us that cultures are built on top of other cultures. Human's as a group have developed knowledge, culture, and technology as a group building on that which came before.
That is our positive legacy. Arguing over skin color, or who stole from who is to miss the forest for the trees.
We know have DNA data that shows us the modern humans spread out from Africa, and it may have happened in a couple of mass migrations.
Does that make Europeans any less human? Does that make North American natives any less human?
Does that make Easter Asian people less human?
Does that make black Africans more Human?
This whole notion of "superiority" due to time line is a flawed notion as it proves absolutely nothing.
Human history is not a black history as much as it's not a white history either. It's HUMAN history.
The sooner we see it in those terms the quicker we get to what's important.
Also, those of you who think white people are afraid because "people of color" will out number whites in the USA are not understanding demographics.
The largest "minority" group is "Hispanics". But, there is the problem, "Hispanic" covers a very very wide range of people from white western Europeans in Spain, to black African descendants in the Hispanic islands, to darker skinned mixed peoples from Mexico.
The US "black" population remains still between 13-17%.
Some of you likely live in bigger cities where there are large populations of black people and other 'minorities', and that gives one a false sense of population size in number and in percentage per capita. But, the majority of the USA population does not live in bigger cities.
Think beyond you skin color.

Since: May 07

Brooklyn, NY

#10662 Mar 22, 2013
Gus wrote:
Cleopatra was a person of mix ethnicity maybe mulata.Reason woman was rape by soldier or conquestors.The influence of hellenic and romans group.Black also slave their own people, reason member of differents tribes.When a tribe was consquest they put woman and childrens for sale to become servant depending on hierachy.Slavery was common during that period.The slavery was also done in europe with different ecthnicity groups.The samething happend in the new world when England,France,Spain,Portugal and many other country from europe put many black and native indians in the same role as slave.So be careful maybe them start sending black to Mar together with hispanic and asian.
Great post bro. Don't listen to jeff. He is a bias guy and can't accept reality.
Matt

Bronx, NY

#10663 Mar 22, 2013
Eric456 wrote:
<quoted text>
You are crazy. Cleopatra did not look like some black chick, she was white. This is what Cleopatra looked like.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...
Damn straight she was white. You are right. Don't listen to Afrocentrics, they don't know a thing.
Littlemisscantbe wrong

United States

#10665 Mar 28, 2013
Wow, I'm truely amazed at the amount of idiocy exuded by all you self-proclaimed "scholars" of men! If each of you have pieces to a puzzle that no one can put together alone, then why not ATTEMPT civility and some sort of social structure? You all claim to be the leading expert on her genealogy...looks like one of you whiz kids could provide all of us simple folk with an answer and some concrete evidence proving it! Oh well...lol.
ugwu

United States

#10666 Mar 29, 2013
The ancient egyptians were ethiopians.
...point blank..but the evil europeans want to strip that away from us. There wicked. Cleopatra spoke ethiopian and the egyptian language..do your research..
.
ugwu

United States

#10667 Mar 29, 2013
Linda Myers wrote:
One more things, from my research Africans Americans are ancestors of Egypt.
....speak the truth..we are decendants of the egyptian and african race..
African AE

Durban, South Africa

#10668 Mar 29, 2013
-Piper- wrote:
Any european king since antiquity untill today was black, learn learn learn cos enlightment come hard me black as crows peep's., halelujah and AMEN for teh black kings.:^D Say teh truff brotha!:clappings and few old ladies fell in delirium, is so nice to be black king of Europe.
DONT TALK CR*P THERE WERE NEVER EVER ANY BLACK NATIONS IN EUROPE! Where their skeletons?
Derik

Bronx, NY

#10669 Mar 29, 2013
ugwu wrote:
The ancient egyptians were ethiopians.
...point blank..but the evil europeans want to strip that away from us. There wicked. Cleopatra spoke ethiopian and the egyptian language..do your research..
.
Cleopatra's native language was Greek cause that is what her ancestry was. She learn to speak foreign languages like Latin, Egyptian, Aramaic, Ethiop, Syrian, Iranian, Parthian, ect but had no lineages in any of those languages. She learned those languages for political reasons only. She was an in bred whitey.
Enlightened

Raleigh, NC

#10670 Mar 29, 2013
Egyptian_lad wrote:
they going to tell us" herodotus said" egyptians were dark-skinned and curly haired"
Herodotus meant by dark-skinned " Tanned people"
Herodotus view egyptians as the same of georgia people (Colchians)
Herodotus" For the fact is as I soon came to realise myself, and then heard from others later, that the Colchians are obviously Egyptian".
Colchians " people of old georgia"
According to the black people" they going to tell Colchians were african blacks too and africans were in europe" LOOOOL
But the other greek historian kick them
Description of Colchians:
Colchians are large and corpulent in body. Neither joint nor vein is evident. They have a yellow
flesh, as if victims of jaundice" (Hippocrates, Airs, Waters, Places 15)
Yellow flesh are the colchians and so Ancient egyptians were yellow too
If Herodotus wanted meant tanned he would have said tanned. He said dark skinned and that what he meant. There's a difference between tanned and dark skinned. Now you are trying to say Herodotus was ignorant.

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