Former shelter workers issue statemen...

Former shelter workers issue statement supporting closure of Mi...

There are 29 comments on the Marin Independent Journal story from Nov 9, 2009, titled Former shelter workers issue statement supporting closure of Mi.... In it, Marin Independent Journal reports that:

About a dozen former Milo Foundation board members, workers and volunteers have issued a letter of support for the Marin Humane Society, heralding its decision last month to shutter the embattled San Rafael-based animal-adoption organization.

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Helen Turnbull

San Rafael, CA

#1 Nov 9, 2009
I have long known the Marin Humane Society as the "Pet Gestapo." Perhaps the past Milo Board of Director's members and past Milo employees who complain here can be characterized similarly.

Zealots of all types believe in unnecessarily straitjacketed standards, whatever their field is. I ask, would all of these animals who were at Milo in supposedly substandard conditions have been better off if Milo had not sheltered them at all?
Bob Cleek

San Jose, CA

#2 Nov 9, 2009
One might question the need for such animal rescue and adoption "foundations" (presumably non-profit tax-exempt) in our community when the Marin Humane Society reportedly imports animals for adoption from out of state and even as far away as Mexico. Nobody wants to see any animal suffer, but it's starting to look like this "rescue" thing is a money-making racket.
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United States

#3 Nov 9, 2009
the "Gestapo" you refer to would have not only shut down the facility they would have killed the staff and volunteers.

The Humane Society had to act based on reports whether or not the complainants were later found to be "disgruntled."

When the Humane Society entered they reportedly found inhumane conditions. If Milo cleans up its act that will be all for the better and everyone should be pleased.
Helen Turnbull wrote:
I have long known the Marin Humane Society as the "Pet Gestapo." Perhaps the past Milo Board of Director's members and past Milo employees who complain here can be characterized similarly.
Zealots of all types believe in unnecessarily straitjacketed standards, whatever their field is. I ask, would all of these animals who were at Milo in supposedly substandard conditions have been better off if Milo had not sheltered them at all?
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United States

#4 Nov 9, 2009
I donated money to Milo many years ago and I am none too happy if they resisted being investigated by MHS. If they were doing right by the animals then they should welcome an inspection.
reason

Novato, CA

#5 Nov 9, 2009
Milo was kicked out of Berkeley and Oakland too. But must be MHS fault.
Helen Turnbull

San Rafael, CA

#6 Nov 9, 2009
There is a difference in cooperating with an investigation by a fair, nonzealous investigator, vs. one known to be unreasonable, such as MHS in my opinion is.

If someone unreasonably requires that everyone sanitize their house like a hospital, inspects a normal, clean home, the latter would not pass though perfectly satisfactory.

MHS "claimed" there were some problems which Milo explained. I still ask, what would have happened to the animals at Milo when MHS inspected, had Milo not taken them in when they did?

Personally, I prefer someone with heart who does a good enough job even with flaws, to someone whose goal is perfection to some sort of unreasonable standard.
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United States

#7 Nov 9, 2009
Then those with the "good heart" should take animals into their homes and not ask for public donations. to answer your question...The animals would have been better off with MHS as I have never seen poor conditions or any animal abuse there.
Helen Turnbull wrote:
There is a difference in cooperating with an investigation by a fair, nonzealous investigator, vs. one known to be unreasonable, such as MHS in my opinion is.
If someone unreasonably requires that everyone sanitize their house like a hospital, inspects a normal, clean home, the latter would not pass though perfectly satisfactory.
MHS "claimed" there were some problems which Milo explained. I still ask, what would have happened to the animals at Milo when MHS inspected, had Milo not taken them in when they did?
Personally, I prefer someone with heart who does a good enough job even with flaws, to someone whose goal is perfection to some sort of unreasonable standard.
bridge to somewhere

United States

#8 Nov 9, 2009
I suppose the cat hoarder lady in Petaluma thought she was doing a good job too....
Helen Turnbull

San Rafael, CA

#9 Nov 9, 2009
bridge to somewhere, are you an MHS employee, zealot,???? You jealous about Milo and public donations???? This is just weird.
There is absolutely no comparison between Milo and the Petaluma cat hoarder, silliness doesn't help the argument ......
I have never seen anything proven about Milo that is terrible. If there is verification from a neutral body (not MHS or disgruntled former employees/board members) establishing in fact there were really serious, consistent problems at Milo in San Rafael that endangered the safety of animals or caused them pain, show it to me.
It is also silly to suggest that people can take enough animals into their homes to cover the need, hence there are many private nonprofit organizations doing this besides official county "humane societies," a place that tells people they cannot adopt a pet if they work unless they can come home at lunch to keep the pet company? And tells them what kind of food to feed them? Will they bust the door down if one disobeys?(No, I have never personally had any dealings, negative or postive with MHS but I know other people who have.)
MHS hasMarin Fooled

Santa Maria, CA

#10 Nov 10, 2009
1. Did the Marin Humane society bother to note the supporters--no!

2. The Marin Grand Jury need to thoroughly investigate the MHS.

3. The Grand Jury needs to start with the inept, uneducated, Ex-San Rafael Loafer-
administrator who was funneled into running a department that requires a degree--other than nepotism.

4. Most know know MHS is a blistering joke; but I guess you've fooled the Independent Journal?

5. I thought Marinites were smart?
quiet please

Santa Maria, CA

#11 Nov 10, 2009
bridge to somewhere wrote:
I donated money to Milo many years ago and I am none too happy if they resisted being investigated by MHS. If they were doing right by the animals then they should welcome an inspection.
I've read you posts and you are a fraud. You're on these boards 24/7 and have no money.
Innocent animals are at stake here; dummy up and whine about what you good at--illegal
aliens.
kitty

Mill Valley, CA

#12 Nov 10, 2009
consider adopting a kitty or a second kitty for the holidays
Good driver

San Carlos, CA

#13 Nov 10, 2009
Hey Lynne- Do it right or not at all!!!!!!!!!!

Quit trying to blame others..........

Since: Apr 09

Marin County, CA

#14 Nov 10, 2009
The basic concern here is conflict of interest. The MHS will NEVER be a creditable enforcement agency as long as it is both a competitor and regulator. MHS needs to focus on helping animals, and the county needs to find some other agency to run animal enforcement, or do it itself.

Nobody really cares what you say, MHS, as long as you have a vested interest in being the leading (or only) pet adoption center in Marin.

Since: Oct 09

Brisbane, CA

#15 Nov 10, 2009
uh what about the animals? Would you like to be sitting in your waste crowded into a cage? I would think the answer is no for most sane people.

The real problem is that everyone needs to spay, neuter and be responsible pet owners. Don't buy any dogs or cats from breeders, get the ones who need homes. Think like an adult for once, regardless of who did what to who the conditions there were foul. Can anyone dispute that?
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Oakland, CA

#16 Nov 10, 2009
No money? I have a paid for house, two free and clear newer cars, an excellent career that I have been at for 35 years, and I love animals. I do have experience with the MHS unlike the critics here who have only "heard things"

And I don't know where you got the illegal alien things....
And I won't shut up.

I do know several independent animal rescue organizations. Some run out of their homes. Still if one is accepting public money (and I did donate to Milo) then one has to be open to scrutiny of animal control if complaints are made.

MHS is terrific....and I volunteered there for several years. Of course, they tick people off sometimes but no one has a perfect record in that regard. Their facility is clean and animals well cared for...and I love my little kitty that I adopted there when she was 10.

Chill out and if Milo is to survive then it will.
quiet please wrote:
<quoted text>
I've read you posts and you are a fraud. You're on these boards 24/7 and have no money.
Innocent animals are at stake here; dummy up and whine about what you good at--illegal
aliens.
bridge to somewhere

Oakland, CA

#17 Nov 10, 2009
and if anyone should care....

The Animal shelter in Killeen Texas where Fort Hood is located had a terrible fire several days before the Fort Hood shootings.

92 cats and 12 dogs died. They could use some donations.

they are the Centex Humane Society in Killeen Texas
bridge to somewhere

Oakland, CA

#18 Nov 10, 2009
Here is the link to the Centex Animal Shelter in Killeen Texas:

http://www.centexhumanesociety.com/

Yes, we did donate and the shelter would be thankful for any donations at this time....

thank you
Peri Lyn

United States

#19 Nov 10, 2009
What an extreme loss it would be for Marin County to lose the only No-Kill Animal Rescue Center it's ever had. I don't have anything against the Marin I.J. or Marin Humane Society, but if you want to help Milo...How about some positive publicity?
kittymama

Martinez, CA

#20 Nov 10, 2009
Thanks for the heads-up about the Killeen HS -- how terrible.

I've dealt with both MHS and Milo. They BOTH have their faults. MHS is a bureaucracy and Lynne Tingle is in over her head. Rescues exist to help the animals that would otherwise be put down. But they are in constant danger of collapsing, because they cannot cooperate and share resources.

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