Medical pot clubs deserve fair and public debate

Full story: Marin Independent Journal

IN 1996, 73 percent of Marin voters backed a state proposition to legalize medical marijuana dispensaries.
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Penny

UK

#1 Jun 12, 2009
Just legalsie it as they have done in Europe.

Holland, Spain and Portugal have had 'legal' cannabis for decades and know Holland is closing 3 of they're prisons because they have no criminals to put in them.!

All countries that have adopted a fair policy towards cannabis consumption have lower crime rates, much lower hard drug use and fewer people using cannabis across the board.

The general consensus is that once you can buy or grow your own cannabis it loses it 'bad boy''underground' image with the young.
Spots

Oakland, CA

#2 Jun 12, 2009
The store in Novato lied and subverted the law. It needs to go before any debate starts. Public debate needs to be on which of the conflicting laws to repeal not on which law to break.

Interesting that the Novato store told the city they had 30 clients and now say they have 600.
mvdad

Hercules, CA

#3 Jun 12, 2009
As a father of teenagers, I can tell you that the medical marijuana cards are not properly policed. Many kids get them and (at least claim to) use them to get medical marijuana. The quasi-legal (state-yes, federal-no) status of these establishments prevents proper licensing and inspection to avoid abuse.
Mark Montgomery

New York, NY

#4 Jun 12, 2009
I LOVE these stories because they drive home the point that all over the USA there are thousands and thousands of tons of pot being grown, transported, sold and smoked and there's NOTHING the cops can do about it, they don't even catch 5%. Pot should be legal. Mexico just legalized possession of small amounts of all drugs. Switzerland just legalized heroin. Portugal decriminalized all drugs in 2001 and their experience has been positive. Now if you are caught with a 10 day supply of your drug or less you face an administrative court, not a criminal court, but in practice they are just not arresting people. A group of 10,000 very serious policemen, prosecutors, attorneys and citizens have formed a group to legalize ALL drugs, Law Enforcement Against Prohibition ( http://leap.cc ) They see what happened when we legalized alcohol in 1932 as a good example of how drug legalization would work. This foolish war on drugs has lasted 37 years and cost us over a TRILLION dollars and we are not an inch closer to stopping drugs. How many millions of Americans are we going to lock up in prison for decades? Mark Montgomery boboberg@nyc.rr.com
Kosho

Napa, CA

#5 Jun 12, 2009
This is ludicrous. Ask any teenager which is easier to get, Pot or alcohol, and they'll tell you it is pot. Not from a legal dispensary mind you, but from somebody's older brother/sister/cousin/acquaint ance. Not only are the dispensaries providing a service, they are generating tax revenue and keeping centers plagued by vacancies occupied in a time when boutique-intense Marin County is facing large retail vacancies.
David

San Anselmo, CA

#6 Jun 12, 2009
There doesn't need to be a debate - Prop 215 ended it. Pot clubs are legal under California law. If the federal government chooses not to enforce federal law against pot clubs, cities like Novato cannot self-appoint themselves as federal agents and enforce a federal law that even the federal government refuses to enforce. That's not the way our government works. It's like a military chain of command - a Private can't ignore an order from his Sergeant by claiming that his Captain probably wouldn't like the order. You follow orders until someone higher up says otherwise. Are you listening City of Novato?
Lynn

Menlo Park, CA

#7 Jun 13, 2009
The attorney general's interpretation says the law is very specific in requiring tha only caregivers provide the drug and it is not to be sold for profit. Only cooperative or collectives of caregivers and patients can exchange, not sell, marijuana. From this and the California police white paper it can be seen that dispensaries are likely not caregivers and out of compliance with the law. Communities don't have to authorize dispensaries. Also, Physicians cannot give prescriptions because marijuana is not an approved drug; they can only give recommendations. Some of the abuse that has gone on is discussed in the white paper, including the ages of the so-called patients, many of whom are not very ill individuals.

I would not have voted for 215 had I known of the abuse that has gone on and the hidden agenda and funders of the medical marijuana movement. Kids ARE getting access to marijuana through these clubs and they ARE rationalizing use with the idea that marijuana is a medicine, even though they are perfectly healthy==I've seen this myself.

Marijuana may or may not have medical use, but it should go through the same process as any other drug.
j Green

San Francisco, CA

#8 Jun 13, 2009
Stop the hysteria!! Medical marijuana is not causing children's use of marijuana. That is a lie. The regulation and access of medical marijuana is stricter than the new tobacco laws. If kids have access to cannabis it is the same way they get tobacco-resale on the black market.
We cannot stop the use of marijuana. That has been proven. There is a market no matter the consequence.
If the government controls the commerce of the product and circumvents the black market the criminal issues will wither away. The Government (and the people) will reap the monetary benefits of marijuana use. We will stop the people using cannabis from becoming criminals and choke the flow of money to the real criminals.
GoFigure

San Jose, CA

#9 Jun 13, 2009
My current understanding is that the club in Novato which is opened was not honest in their paperwork with city, licensing and rental, officials. As a result the city has ordered them to close.
There is another person in Novato working with the city, licensing and rental, officials to open another club.

In Corte Madera, currently we have 2 new clubs with in 500 feet of each other which opened with in 2 months of each other. MHS and Going or Go Green. I would challenge both these establishments to prove they went through the same processes as each other in order to operate. Further when was the community of Corte Madera notified of these 2 clubs? Anyone know?

In addition Prop 215 made it legal for patients & caregivers (not clubs) to possess and cultivate for personal use.
SB 420 made it “legal” for clubs. Get your laws and info straight before you try to share it with others. Patients don’t need false information, these issues are complicated enough.
Comes A Time

San Ramon, CA

#10 Jun 13, 2009
Lynn wrote:
I would not have voted for 215 had I known of the abuse that has gone on and the hidden agenda and funders of the medical marijuana movement.
Who are these "funders" & what is this "hidden agenda"?

Come on, put up or shut up.
Scott

Oakland, CA

#11 Jun 14, 2009
David wrote:
There doesn't need to be a debate - Prop 215 ended it. Pot clubs are legal under California law. If the federal government chooses not to enforce federal law against pot clubs, cities like Novato cannot self-appoint themselves as federal agents and enforce a federal law that even the federal government refuses to enforce. That's not the way our government works. It's like a military chain of command - a Private can't ignore an order from his Sergeant by claiming that his Captain probably wouldn't like the order. You follow orders until someone higher up says otherwise. Are you listening City of Novato?
The city of Novato has every right to regulate what businesses go where. It is a fundamental zoning code. This has nothing to do with 215, the Novato shop lied and must close. Submit the proper paperwork and try again.

Lying from the start makes them look like a shifty organization.
Gwen Volkman

Larkspur, CA

#12 Jun 14, 2009
Medical marijuana is a contradiction in terms. The Chronicle published a list of drugs to be used instead about 10 years ago. My sister, who is a nurse, and my brother, who is a physician say they are not doing themselves any favors by smoking marijuana instead. It only makes their health worse.

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Since: Aug 08

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#13 Jun 14, 2009
Gwen Volkman wrote:
Medical marijuana is a contradiction in terms. The Chronicle published a list of drugs to be used instead about 10 years ago. My sister, who is a nurse, and my brother, who is a physician say they are not doing themselves any favors by smoking marijuana instead. It only makes their health worse.
And My Mom says it makes People grow boobs.
GoFigure

San Jose, CA

#14 Jun 15, 2009
..... my MOM says only people with curly hair use mari_jane.
Jake

San Francisco, CA

#15 Jun 16, 2009
I'm all for more clubs in Marin. It makes the line at Fairfax shorter.
finkelstein

San Jose, CA

#16 Jun 18, 2009
David wrote:
There doesn't need to be a debate - Prop 215 ended it. Pot clubs are legal under California law. If the federal government chooses not to enforce federal law against pot clubs, cities like Novato cannot self-appoint themselves as federal agents and enforce a federal law that even the federal government refuses to enforce. That's not the way our government works. It's like a military chain of command - a Private can't ignore an order from his Sergeant by claiming that his Captain probably wouldn't like the order. You follow orders until someone higher up says otherwise. Are you listening City of Novato?
It seems that local law enforcement, cities, & counties are not interpreting "the federal government chooses not to enforce federal law against pot clubs," as u are.

Check this out ...
url:
http://sacramento.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.ph...

I hope it works, if not let me know.

What's your source anyway? Have you spoken to a lawyer about your understanding? I look forward to hearing from you.

Since: Jun 09

San Anselmo, CA

#17 Jun 19, 2009
"Prohibition will work great injury to the cause of temperance. It is a species of intemperance within itself, for it goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation, and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A Prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded."
Abraham Lincoln (1809-65), U.S. President.
Speech, 18 Dec. 1840, to Illinois House of Representatives

This will continue to be an issue, unfortunately, until the politicians stop using their power to thwart the rights and will of the people. While I am not usually a fan of Tom Ammiano, I fully support his legislation to legalize it, as I support Arnold Schwarzeneggers' call to at least look at legalization. After legalization, local cities and towns would still have the same level of zoning control as for alcohol and tobacco establishments.
Gwen Volkman

Larkspur, CA

#18 Jun 22, 2009
If you don't think Medical Marijuana is a contradiction in terms then get the American Medical Association involved! They are the only ones qualified to debate this issue.

The so-called "patients", as I have said before, are not doing themselves any favors by not getting proper treatment. The Chronicle published a list of prescription drugs that should be used instead at least ten years ago.
Gwen Volkman

Larkspur, CA

#19 Jun 22, 2009
Jake wrote:
I'm all for more clubs in Marin. It makes the line at Fairfax shorter.
Why are people from Oakland coming over here to get marijuana? If they are that infirm how do they get over here? Don't they have places like that in Oakland for them? Makes them look very suspicious.
Gwen Volkman

Larkspur, CA

#20 Jun 22, 2009
Commander Bunny wrote:
<quoted text>And My Mom says it makes People grow boobs.
My brother scored off the scale, higher than anyone ever had before, when he took his physician's license exam?

Has "your mom" ever even been to medical school? Have you?

He knows what he is talking about - you don't.

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