Inflatable Wal-mart pool code violati...

Inflatable Wal-mart pool code violation? Really?

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Bruce Shelton

Airville, PA

#1 Jun 22, 2011
When a township can tell you that you have to pay a ridiculous fee (over $200.00) to put up a $50.00 8' round by 23"deep inflatable pool when it doesn't even meet the definition of a pool being required for a permit by the Uniform Construction Code adopted by Pennsylvania and Peach Bottom Township ("2009 International Residential Code, Appendix G, Section AG102
Definitions, which read "Swimming Pool. Any structure intended for swimming or recreational bathing that contains water over 24 inches deep. This includes in-ground, above-ground and on-ground swimming pools, hot tubs and spas") than where do you turn for help. If you only purchased a $50.00 pool from Wal-Mart then you probably could not afford to spend thousands on a larger pool or hundreds on the permits. Well that is the case for me. You see, I am a neighbor 2 houses up the street from the infamous Michelle Poole who is the code enforcement officer for Peach Bottom Township. I will speculate the when she came home about 3 weeks ago and saw this pool in my back yard that she just couldn't wait to get to work the next day and send out my notice of failure to obtain a permit which carries a fine of $100.00 and over $200.00 in permit fees for a $50.00 pool which doesn't even meet the definition of a pool. I have taken pictures of measurements and submitted the manufacturers specs stating that when properly filled, the pool doe's not contain more than 23" of water but to no avail. You see, Michelle took a class once and in her notes she wrote that what the people who wrote the code really meant to say is they meant the measurement of the side wall height not the depth of the water. Call it my ignorant college level english but the code article stating "contains water over 24 inches deep" clearly states it's own intent to measure the depth of water, not the height of the side wall. If you can get past the lack of common sense in needing a $200+ permit for a $50.00 pool then you might not be stunned to find that the only way to defend yourself against her false accusations is to pay a minimum fee of $500.00 to appeal her decision. I have written my congressmen Todd Platts and all three York County Commissioners who responded the same day. Commissioner Chronister even wrote, "Mr. Shelton, In Pennsylvania the County has no power over local boroughs or townships. However having served 12 years as a township supervisor before becoming county commissioner, I find if what your telling me is accurate, this is unfortunate. I would suggest attending a township supervisors meeting and address your concerns with them. Sometimes logic and common sense should prevail. A $50 kids pool….??? Steve Chronister

I also included all three township supervisors and all town council members but have yet to hear from them. Wake up citizens and elected officials, it's election time! Remember this when you're tired of intrusive and excessive government. This is not what we elected you for!
Blink

Jarrettsville, MD

#2 Jul 29, 2011
My Bath is deeper that that!... These pools were made so people can enjoy a little fun with there kids without the great expense of a large pool. getting a permit does not make them any safer, it is only another way for the township to take our money and get into our lives when not wanted! I would like to ask them what is the reason for this permit?.. I mean really?
Soon we will need a permit for a gas grill or a picnic table. Maybe time would better be served looking into dangerous buildings like the one on the corner of Clubhouse and Auble. Years after the fire there it still stands ..an eye sore to the neighbourhood and a danger to any young child who might think it would be a fun place to play.... what happened to common sense people!?
Ron Whisner For Superviso

Forest Hill, MD

#3 Oct 10, 2011
Well put! Go to my site that I have set-up for the election on Tuesday November 8th, 2011. I need neighbors like you to vote for me, in order to rid ourselves of these greedy ones. Did you know who those fees, fines, etc. go to? NOT Peach Bottom's General Operating Budget! http://www.ronwhisner.com
Ron

Forest Hill, MD

#4 Oct 14, 2011
Well put! Go to my site that I have set-up for the election on Tuesday November 8th, 2011. I need neighbors like you to vote for me, in order to rid ourselves of these greedy ones. Did you know who those fees, fines, etc. go to? NOT Peach Bottom's General Operating Budget! http://www.ronwhisner.com
Bruce Shelton

Airville, PA

#5 Oct 27, 2011
It's been a busy week in Peach Bottom township. Watch your wallets! P.B.T. posted in the Delta Star on Oct. 20, 2011 that they will vote on a new Gross Income Tax in addition to the already high taxes we pay at the next meeting only 1 day before the election for supervisor which is Nov.8,2011. In addition, they also want to give Michelle Poole and anyone after her,(speculated to be her daughter when she graduates college) the right to inspect any part of your home or property if you have any inspection done for anything. This means that when Michele comes to inspect your septic every 5 years, she can enter your home and fine you for anything she feels you should have got a permit for. This is a clear violation of your 4th amendment rights! You can either show up to the meeting now and let your voice be heard or wait for it to happen to you, appeal her decision at a minimum cost of $500.00, take it to a judge which rubber stamps anything she says, and then appeal his decision.
Bruce Shelton

Airville, PA

#6 Oct 27, 2011
This morning I happened upon a man stealing a campaign sign for Ron Whisner at the intersection of Auble and 851. I chased the man but was unable to get his tag number. He was an older, skinny, white man with almost shoulder length white/ grey hair driving an early 80's model maroon hatchback car. I will PAY $100.00 for any info which leads to finding out his identity so the PA Troopers can arrest and charge this thief. It is up to us to watch out for the good people who want to make our township a better place.
Bill

Delta, PA

#7 Oct 30, 2011
It would help if you had any idea what you are talking about. The tax is the same 1% earned income tax that you currently pay. The ordinance is being passed to conform to changes in the state law. It will not change by 1 cent the taxes you now pay, but is required by state law. As to the part about Michelle Poole coming into your house, what planet are you from? That of course is ridiculous. No one has that right, and Michelle certainly does not want it. Honest, the 4th amendment is safe from Peach Bottom Township. As to your final uninformed nonsense about her daughters, you could not pay them enough money to put up with ignorant, uninformed blowhards.
Speaking of signs

United States

#8 Oct 30, 2011
I notice Whisner has his signs in the road right of way on Rt. 136 opposite Saubel's in Whiteford Maryland. He might want to remove them before he causes those landowners to be subject to the fine Harford county now has for people that post signs in the right of way. Maybe he needs to educate himself on existing laws.
Bruce Shelton

Airville, PA

#9 Oct 30, 2011
To Speaking of signs. I have called the Harford County Sheriff's Dept. and you are indeed correct. Mr. Whisner has personally placed no signs however, one of his volunteers did and in the interest of doing what is right, I personally am on my way to remove the sign as soon as I hit send on this comment. Mr Whisner intends to restore honor and integrity and the voice of our fellow Peach Bottom residents to our township government. Let this be a small example of the type of man Mr. Whisner is.
Terri B

Forest Hill, MD

#10 Oct 31, 2011
After we saw Mr Whisner's signs, and visited his website, we found this forum. It sounds to us like that there might finally be some change coming to our neighborhood for the better. Instead of the same-ole, same-ole. Good luck to him! We'll vote for him. Terri & Rob B.
Bruce Shelton

Airville, PA

#11 Oct 31, 2011
Thank you Terri B!

I responded to Bill's post with fact and references to back it up and called him out for the name calling but it got flagged for abuse and removed. I also called him out on his relation to our code enforcement officer but I guess the kitchen got a little too hot for him. The facts are posted in the Delta Star October 20 2011 issue under Legal Notice and the Supervisors meeting to consider the proposed changes is on November 7th. Come out and see for yourself.
Bruce Shelton

Airville, PA

#12 Oct 31, 2011
When I decided to start this post and the facebook group "Peach Bottom Citizens Against Intrusive Government", I knew that there would be consequences for bucking the entrenched people we have in office now. For me, this is all or nothing. I we don't make the needed changes to our township government, I am most certain my septic will fail it's next inspection and I will be harassed with other ridiculous fees and charges. Time will tell. In a e-mail response from Michelle to Steve Chronister (York County Commissioner) regarding the pool violation, Michelle suggested that I should get involved with my government to make change. With everything on the line, Here I am.
Jsp

Street, MD

#13 Oct 31, 2011
Someone needs to get Michele Poole out of here. She needs to be knocked off of her high horse.
Carl M

Forest Hill, MD

#14 Oct 31, 2011
I tired to post earlier and this thing didn't seem to work. Maybe it will this time. I hope that Ron Whisner does do what he says he will do. If he does I will vote for him to. How does the pool family have anything to do with the election? I thought she worked for the township and wasn't running for office. Call me stupid! I thought that the township hired her. If she is running for office I am packing my bags and moving. Enough is enough!
Speaking of signs

United States

#15 Oct 31, 2011
Carl, you are not stupid...she does WORK FOR THE TOWNSHIP...contrary to the uninformed...she enforces the regulations that the Supervisors have passed or the State has handed down...hence the "E" in SEO...E for Enforcement...Duh to those of you that can't figure that out. Ever heard the expression..don't shoot the messenger,...kind of the same thing, she is doing her job. I, for one, am glad that she takes her job seriously and protects my water from my neighbors sewage and hopefully saves me the expense of public sewer in my future which would be a whole lot more expensive than pumping my septic tank once in a while.
Bruce Shelton

Airville, PA

#16 Oct 31, 2011
Speaking of signs, I think it's reasonable to say that the majority of our township residents would support common sense enforcement. Where we have issue is when Mrs.Poole crosses the line which she has a habit of doing on a regular basis. All you have to do is talk to your neighbors and you will hear all kinds of cases where this has happened to them. She does in fact work for the township. In an e-mail she wrote to York County Commissioner Steve Chronister which I will gladly provide upon request, she stated that she does not answer to York County elected officials or the Peach Bottom Township Supervisors. This tells me that she either is inaccurate in her statement or really believes she is untouchable. What is really astounding to me is this e-mail was sent to the current township supervisors and township manager and not one of them had anything to say so they either support her words of defiance or don't have the stones to reign her in. The election is not for S.E.O. or C.E.O. but it is for the position that has the ability to fix this broken system. "Speaking of signs", it is my argument that Mrs. Poole has taken her job beyond what is reasonable and if the current supervisors won't reign her in then we will put someone in office who will. Please remember why this thread started in the first place, a $50 wal-mart pool that does not meet the requirements of needing a permit in the first place. The only way for her to even come close to twisting this to be a violation is by stretching the truth of the wording of the code. She turned me in on her off duty time from her 2nd floor window. Where is my right to privacy? Does a $200 permit make my pool any safer? No sir it does not. It only fattens her purse. I gather that I will not be able to sway your stand and that is ok. We can debate back and forth till the end of time with no avail but the truth is that weather you disagree with me or not, on November the 8th, a statement by the people will be made. You will either be content with the way you have it and either not vote or vote for a democrat who has been in the system for quite a while, vote for a republican who I have a hard time finding out what position she takes on issues, or a independent Ron Whisner who is very clear on what hit positions are and what he intends to do with your vote. Obviously my vote will be for Ron Whisner for Township Supervisor to bring the citizens voice back into OUR government.
Carl M

Forest Hill, MD

#17 Nov 1, 2011
I figured out how this post thing works. Speaking of signs thank you for the information. Does that mean that mrs pool is not running for office? I hope not. Because we got a letter from her about our sons car who is in iraq. She said that we had to pay $100.00 because the license plate was expired. We ended up selling the car for him because she said we would be fined. Why do you and bruce shelton say something about public sewage and septic tanks? Is public sewage in the election? We just had ours drained about a month ago with no problems. One of the people up the road said thay charge $50.00. We paid $175.00 to the septic people. Do they mean that the town will drain it for $50.00? If so how do we get that for next time? Any how just wanted to say thanks. I have made my mind up.
Bruce Shelton

Airville, PA

#18 Nov 1, 2011
Carl, if you live in Peach Bottom township, had your septic pumped and not inspected by Mrs.Poole, you will surely get a letter of violation and you will be forced to have it re-pumped and inspected for Mrs.
Poole to check you off. Now it will be $175 +$50 + possible $100 fee for not calling her first. To the best of my knowledge at this time, "public sewage" is not on the ballot. Your example of Mrs. Poole's lack of understanding and common sense in your sons car issue is why we need to put Supervisors in office who can reign in this abuse of power. A common sense approach to handling this might have been to verify orders and wait the required 30 days after his return from orders like PA state law requires. A soldier who resides in PA while on orders has 30 days from the last day of his or her orders to bring the vehicle up to standard. PA law supersedes township ordinance. I know a little about this because I too was PA Army National Guard from Jan 2005 to Jan 2011.
Bruce Shelton

Airville, PA

#19 Nov 4, 2011
Bill wrote:
It would help if you had any idea what you are talking about. The tax is the same 1% earned income tax that you currently pay. The ordinance is being passed to conform to changes in the state law. It will not change by 1 cent the taxes you now pay, but is required by state law. As to the part about Michelle Poole coming into your house, what planet are you from? That of course is ridiculous. No one has that right, and Michelle certainly does not want it. Honest, the 4th amendment is safe from Peach Bottom Township. As to your final uninformed nonsense about her daughters, you could not pay them enough money to put up with ignorant, uninformed blowhards.
Ok Bill. I've done a little homework on the Peach Bottom Township Gross Income Tax. Clever twist of truths for you boys but this NEW TAX is NOT the same tax we already pay. In fact it is one half of one percent(.05%)of your gross income in addition to the one percent (1%) York Adams Gross Income Tax according to section 4, letter A. of the full text version of the proposed ordinance imposing a local tax on the earned income and net profits of residents and non-residents receiving earned income or net profits within Peach Bottom Township. This may not be considered a "new" tax considering it was imposed on residents in 1968, amended in 1972 and 1980, however to those who have moved here after 1980 this is a new tax because no one has paid it since 1980. Therefore, it is a re-instituted or re-imposed tax. To us common people, if we did not pay it the last couple of years and now you are re-imposing on us, IT IS A NEW TAX TO US!
Bruce Shelton

Airville, PA

#21 Nov 4, 2011
According to the P.B.T. web site, there is no named Tax Officer, Tax Collection Committee, or Peach Bottom Township Tax Bureau.
With 1528 households each earning an average or median income of $42,778 taxed at .5% that would give Peach Bottom Township Supervisors $326823.92 more to spend each year if the factors do not change. This does not include fines and fees that the new Tax officer gets to keep. I thought we had a balanced budget last year. Why do we need this? It goes to the general fund and this number does not include employers .5% tax. Household and median income per household came from 2010 census data.

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