Town of Otselic -- a 42-year-old New Jersey man is in the Chenango...

Jul 9, 2007 Full story: Press & Sun-Bulletin 20

A 42-year-old New Jersey man is in the Chenango County Correctional Facility without bail after he struck and ran over a 12-year-old girl who had been babysitting, according to Sheriff Thomas J. Loughren. via Press & Sun-Bulletin

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sensurity

Norwich, NY

#1 Jul 9, 2007
it doesnt matter weather ur drunk or sober weather ur from the country or the city, weather ur black or white, tall or short skinny or fat. Things happen no matter what. when ur from a different state and ur hurt some1 or even kill some1 u wine like lil babies. oh there downstaters or the city people there killers blha blah... how many people in ur area that ur unable to admit that things have happend. doesnt matter where u go there is always a problem. keep an open mind and u wont have as much problems. I've known of both of these people and i feel as thow somethin might of more happend such

as he was drankin his wife and him havin problems c's a lil girl nieve lil one and turns up by his horses as he was prob sayin i gotta go check on my horses he says to her but in his mind different i think he might have sat there for a min and than started to make moves or made her feel uncomfortable during and commets that he was makin. she got out of the truck and tryed running he might of been unsure of where she was at cause be panicked and as he turned around he probbly hit her not on purpose and than he was scared after that happend he sat there and eaither felt bad for what he did and if he did on purpose he sat there and had to think oof something to get out of it like i was to scared or mayb she wasnt dead all the way and waited till for sure that she was so she couldnt tell what really happend. i know hes guilty for something but i dont know for what but he knows.
valley chick

Candor, NY

#2 Jul 9, 2007
things like this are very rare in the valley and most likely it was an accident but there is still no excuse for why he did not rush her to the hospital or call 911. i hope that it was an accident and we dont have to worry about this kind of stuff turning up in our community...the otselic valley is a very quite place and i hope it stays that way
MarchHare

Cincinnati, OH

#3 Jul 9, 2007
I'm gonna say this is fishy because I've been there myself. I was once a 13 yo babysitter who was being driven home that one lousy maile when the man I babysat for, drunk and stupid, stopped his truck and put his hand in between my legs and wanted a kiss. I jumped out of his truck, upset and scared and told him I would walk home. I never told my folks but I also never went anywhere near their house again...that was 29 yrs ago and this incident has made me think what might have happened.

I wonder if she told him she was "telling" on him and got out and he either purposefully, in a drunken panic hit her, or he was trying to speed off and did so. I wonder if he drove with her for hours in a panic. should I bury her? If I do then they will know something ain't right. I'm drunk...gotta let the buzz wear off, OMG what did I do how will I get in LESS trouble?
A Time Fogotten

AOL

#4 Jul 14, 2007
sensurity wrote:
it doesnt matter weather ur drunk or sober weather ur from the country or the city, weather ur black or white, tall or short skinny or fat. Things happen no matter what. when ur from a different state and ur hurt some1 or even kill some1 u wine like lil babies. oh there downstaters or the city people there killers blha blah... how many people in ur area that ur unable to admit that things have happend. doesnt matter where u go there is always a problem. keep an open mind and u wont have as much problems. I've known of both of these people and i feel as thow somethin might of more happend such
as he was drankin his wife and him havin problems c's a lil girl nieve lil one and turns up by his horses as he was prob sayin i gotta go check on my horses he says to her but in his mind different i think he might have sat there for a min and than started to make moves or made her feel uncomfortable during and commets that he was makin. she got out of the truck and tryed running he might of been unsure of where she was at cause be panicked and as he turned around he probbly hit her not on purpose and than he was scared after that happend he sat there and eaither felt bad for what he did and if he did on purpose he sat there and had to think oof something to get out of it like i was to scared or mayb she wasnt dead all the way and waited till for sure that she was so she couldnt tell what really happend. i know hes guilty for something but i dont know for what but he knows.
did you go to school. My point! Go back to school!
Army Man

El Paso, TX

#5 Jul 15, 2007
I Married a Woman from South Otselic, even tried living there, the town does indeed have a huge shadow over it, many things happen that are either ignored, or just accepted as normal, after spending a little time there I left and returned my now new family to the city, Yes things happen in the city. The difference is more people are reacting to these types of crimes in the cites, then they do in little rural towns with special Clicks.
The main problem with this town and areas like this is the underaged sex, which produce inept and immature parents, the serious abuse of Alcohol and driving while under the influences, the lack of a serious police effort in the area and the special clicks of various families that allow them to get away with things that normally would be severely punished.
What happened here one will properly never fully know, the real question is where was this person drinking, are the police and family of this wonderful child going to pursue some charges of the place or establishment to which allowed this clearly under the influence man to drive home, where was he how long was he there who else knew he was drunk, why was he allowed to leave, what will happen now?
I would not doubt something else happened in this town anything can happen, the ultimate question is this, was she already dead in those five hours that passed after he had run her over, or could her life have been saved?
What if she was still alive and instead of doing something he just allowed her to die, what then?
Army Wife

El Paso, TX

#6 Jul 15, 2007
I grew up in this town and know there are a lot of good people there and a lot of those people are gone now. NOW as a mom I would never let my daughter get in a car with a person who had been drinking.
Other plan's should have been made to get this young girl home by her parent's .
In this town it is who you know and if you have money and nice thing's that get's you somewhere.
The kid's there need to learn more about what drug's and alcohol can do to people.
My thought's and prayer's are with everyone. Just think, how would you feel if this was your child.
And learn from what has happen and stop it from happening again.
When the bar burned down it should have told the town something.
This person should pay for what he has done and the parent's will have to live with this for the rest of there lives, I don’t think I could knowing this could have been Prevented .
abcd

Unadilla, NY

#7 Jul 24, 2007
I grew up in Chenango county and I have to say if there is a crime that requires much thought for solving these officers are a little inept. That or they are trying to keep the reported crime rate down.

MarchHare wrote: "I'm gonna say this is fishy because I've been there myself. I was once a 13 yo babysitter who was being driven home that one lousy maile when the man I babysat for, drunk and stupid, stopped his truck and put his hand in between my legs and wanted a kiss. I jumped out of his truck, upset and scared and told him I would walk home. I never told my folks but I also never went anywhere near their house again...that was 29 yrs ago and this incident has made me think what might have happened.

I wonder if she told him she was "telling" on him and got out and he either purposefully, in a drunken panic hit her, or he was trying to speed off and did so. I wonder if he drove with her for hours in a panic. should I bury her? If I do then they will know something ain't right. I'm drunk...gotta let the buzz wear off, OMG what did I do how will I get in LESS trouble? "

This was my first thought. So there was no sign of sexual assault. Why the hell do they think this girl got out of the truck? Could it possibly be to prevent one. OH not in Chenango county, were good and God fearing people here, that only happens in the big cities.

Maybe they should open their eyes!
A Time Fogotten

AOL

#8 Jul 24, 2007
abcd wrote:
I grew up in Chenango county and I have to say if there is a crime that requires much thought for solving these officers are a little inept. That or they are trying to keep the reported crime rate down.
MarchHare wrote: "I'm gonna say this is fishy because I've been there myself. I was once a 13 yo babysitter who was being driven home that one lousy maile when the man I babysat for, drunk and stupid, stopped his truck and put his hand in between my legs and wanted a kiss. I jumped out of his truck, upset and scared and told him I would walk home. I never told my folks but I also never went anywhere near their house again...that was 29 yrs ago and this incident has made me think what might have happened.
I wonder if she told him she was "telling" on him and got out and he either purposefully, in a drunken panic hit her, or he was trying to speed off and did so. I wonder if he drove with her for hours in a panic. should I bury her? If I do then they will know something ain't right. I'm drunk...gotta let the buzz wear off, OMG what did I do how will I get in LESS trouble? "
This was my first thought. So there was no sign of sexual assault. Why the hell do they think this girl got out of the truck? Could it possibly be to prevent one. OH not in Chenango county, were good and God fearing people here, that only happens in the big cities.
Maybe they should open their eyes!
ABCD
God fearing people my ass!!! These have know idea what God even is! I also grew up there and thank God he helped me out of there! Up there, you need to always "cover your ass and the sheep"
abcd

Morris, NY

#9 Aug 6, 2007
well yeah, you are right about the sheep, what I meant about God Fearing people is that there is a church on every corner and when people have trouble with the law, then they are God Fearing. There is a big "Cover your ass accounting" problem around here
Nik

Oklahoma City, OK

#10 Aug 15, 2007
I feel bad for the parents of the little girl, but they were exactly the Cleaver family.
But no one has mentioned anything about George's family. They are going through heartache also.
nosey4newsNY

Cortland, NY

#11 Aug 16, 2007
Army Man wrote:
I Married a Woman from South Otselic, even tried living there, the town does indeed have a huge shadow over it, many things happen that are either ignored, or just accepted as normal, after spending a little time there I left and returned my now new family to the city, Yes things happen in the city. The difference is more people are reacting to these types of crimes in the cites, then they do in little rural towns with special Clicks.
The main problem with this town and areas like this is the underaged sex, which produce inept and immature parents, the serious abuse of Alcohol and driving while under the influences, the lack of a serious police effort in the area and the special clicks of various families that allow them to get away with things that normally would be severely punished.
What happened here one will properly never fully know, the real question is where was this person drinking, are the police and family of this wonderful child going to pursue some charges of the place or establishment to which allowed this clearly under the influence man to drive home, where was he how long was he there who else knew he was drunk, why was he allowed to leave, what will happen now?
I would not doubt something else happened in this town anything can happen, the ultimate question is this, was she already dead in those five hours that passed after he had run her over, or could her life have been saved?
What if she was still alive and instead of doing something he just allowed her to die, what then?
With an attitude like that I'm glad you left...You fail to mention that when people are down on there luck the hole town pulls together. Our whole town is mourning this horrible tragedy.
Underage drinking or underage sex has NOTHING to do with this.
Accident or not, that I wont commit, I was not there, poor choices are a defiant. Do you think it is easy on us knowing that this happened in our town? And lets not forget that it was an outsider not one of our “home grown”.
As a FD member in this WONDERFUL town I watch wonderful people shed many, many tears in these times.
What if she was alive is right.
nosey4newsNY

Cortland, NY

#12 Aug 16, 2007
Nik wrote:
I feel bad for the parents of the little girl, but they were exactly the Cleaver family.
But no one has mentioned anything about George's family. They are going through heartache also.
What do you mean they were the Cleaver family?
I do feel bad for George's family. I'm sure that his wife feels guilt knowing that if she had drove the sitter home this wouldn't have happened. And their child has to live with this. One can only hope that they heal with help in time.
Poor choices were made by many that night and a little girl lost her life because of it.
Nikki

United States

#13 Aug 20, 2007
nosey4newsNY wrote:
<quoted text>
What do you mean they were the Cleaver family?
I do feel bad for George's family. I'm sure that his wife feels guilt knowing that if she had drove the sitter home this wouldn't have happened. And their child has to live with this. One can only hope that they heal with help in time.
Poor choices were made by many that night and a little girl lost her life because of it.
POOR CHOICES - EXACTLY - BOTTOM LINE - HER PARENTS SHOULD HAVE PICKED HER UP, BUT THEY DIDN'T.
travisfrndofsume rs

United States

#14 Aug 22, 2007
hey army man from alpaso tx.
I was born and raisd not even one mile from jim summers and never have i seen any child abuse or heard of any child abuse. And shame on you for running down the name of a U.S. citizen. And shame on you for runing down the home and community I grew up in! Travis Rifanburg
travisfrndofsume rs

United States

#15 Aug 22, 2007
Hey army wife
you just ran down anyone how is left in the community. You are right that it never should have happend. but lets see you tell jim summers what you posted for a comment. bet you dopnt have the guts to tell him or me face to face! Travis rifanburg
Vicki

AOL

#16 Aug 25, 2007
Did any of you posters from Otselic know this George Ford guy? My bet is that he attempted to molest her and she ran, and he got angry and ran her down! The fact that he is wife didn't trust his character doesn't cast favorable light on him.
Vicki

AOL

#17 Aug 25, 2007
I meant "The fact that HIS wife didn't...."
Army Wife

El Paso, TX

#18 Sep 16, 2007
nosey4newsNY wrote:
<quoted text>
With an attitude like that I'm glad you left...You fail to mention that when people are down on there luck the hole town pulls together. Our whole town is mourning this horrible tragedy.
Underage drinking or underage sex has NOTHING to do with this.
Accident or not, that I wont commit, I was not there, poor choices are a defiant. Do you think it is easy on us knowing that this happened in our town? And lets not forget that it was an outsider not one of our “home grown”.
As a FD member in this WONDERFUL town I watch wonderful people shed many, many tears in these times.
What if she was alive is right.
Yet more proof as to why this town is insufficent to bring up a decent family given the fact based on the many responses theres a lack of any real intellect or thought.
A Town should not PULL together in a time of need a TOWN should be together regardless, this town pulls together only for huge circumstances, why not be together ALL the time.
South Otselic is not together ALL the time and in my professional opinion it needs to be.
Why would I want to be in a Town or a City for that matter that only concerns itself when theirs gossip or something juicy going down?
News Flash the entire country is not like that, there are acually places in this wonderful country where people consistently work together through good times and bad times to make sure their Town or City continues to do well.
I lived in South Otselic for some time I see people Like Sparky take advantage of his workers at Gladdings and screw them over in Pay, hello not like that in the real world, I see people like the Crandalls screw over neighbors and supposed friends to make a quick buck, yeah sorry still not in the real world.
You want to really help South Otselic get the hell out of it, get a real education come back to South Otselic and bring it into the 22nd Century.
Get rid of the corrupt self rightious people that seem to get away with everything INCLUDING Murder make a damn stand stop talking behind peoples backs and acually make a Town that CARES all the time about its residents.

As for Molesting and what not, I never said anything about Molesting other then I still find this entire girls death shady and would not be surprised in the least at a cover up, however if in fact and I put this lightly it truely was an accident, its still not really an accident, he knowingly got into a truck intoxicated, thats pre-meditated in my book.

Incidently if you had done this in the Army, which last I checked was still part of the US of A, not only would you be Chaptered out, but you'd still be sitting in Levenworth doing hard labor for roughly 30 years.

I am Still Around South Otselic and I will gladly speak my mind to any resident there as to exactly how I feel about the town, its residents both good and bad, and frankly would not care in the least how you felt about my words, free speech is a wonderous thing, as is free will.
Army Man

El Paso, TX

#19 Sep 16, 2007
travisfrndofsumers wrote:
hey army man from alpaso tx.
I was born and raisd not even one mile from jim summers and never have i seen any child abuse or heard of any child abuse. And shame on you for running down the name of a U.S. citizen. And shame on you for runing down the home and community I grew up in! Travis Rifanburg
Yeah umm who the hell is Jim Summers?? I re-read all my responses none of them mention this fellas name, although I have heard Rumors, but I don't really like spreading those.

Please read carefully before posting, stupidity may be very hazardous to your health
Howard Whelen

East Syracuse, NY

#20 Jan 1, 2011
so what, a dude walks around naked at the big white house with the great danes on rt 26 north of south otselic. who cares about you city folk

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