We're goning to need more jails....

[Guns and Hoses]

So Nancy Pelosi [Pissholeski] is trying to shove this bill through Congress that would toss people in jail if they don't pay for health insurance and on top of that, they'd get a fine anywhere from $25,000 to $250,000! Now, if someone can't afford to pay for health insurance, where the hell are they going to get the money to pay a fine like that? I don't have any health insurance myself......BECAUSE I CAN'T AFFORD IT! So, if I could afford health insurance.....I'd HAVE health insurance. Unless they're planning on having a real cheap premium, I guess you tax payers will be paying for my health insurance when I'm in jail with all the murderers, rapists and other hard time criminals.

[xxxrayted]

We are living in the most frightening era in the history of our country. This is the closest we've been to Communism since the founders created this once wonderful place we call the United States of America.

Politicians and in particular--Democrats, have taken strides to have total control over people. Once they have control of our health and energy, they will achieve this goal of theirs.

The idea here is to have everybody dependent on government. When they force you to purchase healthcare, you won't be able to eat. So government will have to feed you. You won't be able to afford your utilities either, so government will pay your utilities for you. This is how it works with these people.

The Congress passed the bill yesterday with only one Republican voting for it. 39 Democrats voted against the bill. But the Blue Dogs were not enough to stop this abortion. If this does pass, it will be a sad day in America.

[Pepperspray]

I was just talking to some people about how it seems like the country is going communist. I mean, to order someone to buy health insurance, or else....what's next? They going to tell us what to wear? What kind of house we are allowed to live in? How about they tell us that we have to donate 25% of our earnings to charities and if we don't, we get a $250,000 fine and go to jail for 10 years?

And could you picture this conversation in a prison cell?

1st Inmate: I got 10 years for robbing a bank. What are you here for?

2nd Inmate: I'm here for stabbing my neighbor. I tired to steal his shoes and jacket. I got 10 years for that too! What are you here for?

3rd Inmate: I didn't buy health insurance so I got 10 years PLUS a $250,000 fine.

hahaha! Remarkable country we got!

[mapleman]

This country has been heading this way for years. Under Bush they started stripping rights of citizens for our 'safety' and starting bullsh@t wars. Republicans aren't Republicans. Republicans are supposed to be fiscally conservative, I don't know what that party is anymore. They are more concerned about social conservatism.

The Democrats are punks who sat there and did nothing and let the republicans do so much damage in the name of protecting our freedoms. I just hate both these parties of clowns and puppets.

The American people have proven themselves to be idiots. Electing Bush twice and then electing Obama.

I can only laugh though, if the Democrats do take us to the way of life of some of Europe so what, most of those countries AND Canada have superior standards of living.

Like most of our lawmakers, I haven't read the whole bill so I really can't comment. I just wonder what our 'lawmakers' snuck into the bill that has nothing to do with healthcare.

[xxxrayted]

If you want to read 1990 pages of legal muble-jumble, I'll send you a link. But I was listening to Howie Chezik out of Akron on WNIR. Their legal people said that in the bill, you can only keep your present insurance through the transition period. After that, you HAVE TO go on the public option, or select one of three private plans that the government will allow you to choose from.

But reading the bill myself, government is going to appoint yet another czar, and that person will decide the "minimum coverage" you are allowed to have. With my company, I have a $5,000 deductible. We voted on that plan so my employer wouldn't take deductions from our paycheck. According to what I read, that won't be good enough for the government, and they will force my employer to provide better coverage. That will mean one of three things: either my employer will lower our hourly wage, he will start making us employees pay for it, or he will say the the hell with it, and tell us to go on a government plan.

[xxxrayted]

Pepperspray wrote:

I was just talking to some people about how it seems like the country is going communist. I mean, to order someone to buy health insurance, or else....what's next? They going to tell us what to wear? What kind of house we are allowed to live in? How about they tell us that we have to donate 25% of our earnings to charities and if we don't, we get a $250,000 fine and go to jail for 10 years?
And could you picture this conversation in a prison cell?
1st Inmate: I got 10 years for robbing a bank. What are you here for?
2nd Inmate: I'm here for stabbing my neighbor. I tired to steal his shoes and jacket. I got 10 years for that too! What are you here for?
3rd Inmate: I didn't buy health insurance so I got 10 years PLUS a $250,000 fine.
hahaha! Remarkable country we got!

Absolutely correct. This administration has taken over banks, taken over insurance companies, taken over the auto industry, fired CEO's, and now they are taking over 18% of our GDP. They've aided in the purchase of automobiles for citizens, heating and air conditioning units, insulation, homes. What's the difference between a Communist nation and this one with this administration? Even the Soviet Union wouldn't imprison their citizens for not having healthcare. And to think, this guy hasn't even been President for one year yet.

[mapleman]

I thought Bush started the bailouts and government take overs. In fact I know he did. Bush, Obama and McCain were holding hands and telling Americans government had no choice.

Why didn't Bush and the republicans rally against giving any of these companies money last September? We can't have it both ways, we can't blame Obama and let the Republicans off the hook. They started it. Where were all the 'free market' Republicans when all this too big to fail sh@t was going on? No they want to come after Obama. LOL

In fact Bush was not a fiscal conservative and for 8 years spent like a madman, yet not one damn tea party. Social conservatives need to screw their damn heads on right.

Obama is just continuing what the Republicans started and the foolish Americans keep bouncing between these two corrupt political parties.

As for the health care bill. Sounds like big corporation nonsense. 3 private companies. LOL WOW. People keep thinking Soviet Union when they should just be thinking corporation. They run these politicians and I guess the big ones are going to eat the little ones.

[xxxrayted]

The difference between Bush and Obama is Bush never tried to run the industries he was bailing out. Bush never forced any industry to sell out to foreign competition and the unions. Bush never had anybody fired. And Bush didn't demand that CEOs who made over X amount of money be taxed at 90%.

Big difference.

It's not near Communism when the federal government lends money. It is near Communism when the federal government takes control over such private industry. And now government wants to decide who is allowed to stay in the medical insurance business and who doesn't? Obama is a fascist and a borderline Communist, hands down. And besides, most conservatives were against the Bush bailout right from the beginning.

[mapleman]

True fiscal conservative were against the bailout, but the Republican party has become all about social conservatism.

As for the companies, you lie down with snakes and you get bit. They took from the government and got the government in their business. This is how government welfare works. When people take welfare they have to do what the government says, I am glad the corporations were treated the same. It is the only relief I can find in this bullsh@t bailouts.

If they don't take the government money nobody would have told them what the hell to do. Is the government telling Microsoft what to do within their company? Hell no, because they didn't run to Uncle Sam for money.

Don't worry, all is not lost with Obama. At least he is keeping Bush's bullsh@t Afghan war going. LOL

[xxxrayted]

Osama is keeping everything from Bush including the dreaded NSA program, the Iraq war, the Afghanistan war and Gitmo. In other words, all his complaining about Bush was nothing but political BS. He and the Democrats knew that Bush did the proper things to keep this country safe. And now that they are in charge, they are afraid to back up all the charges they made against Bush. It was all all a lie!

I have no problem with government setting standards BEFORE a deal is made. But under the Obama administration, they decided to take control AFTER the bailouts were made. Furthermore, the banks that wanted to repay the government were refused so the federal government can continue to take charge. If those standards were set beforehand, most if not all would have refused the offer.

[mapleman]

Bush didn't do the proper thing to keep our country safe. He did the proper things to expand the empire. There is a big difference between empire expansion and safety.

Would you like somebody coming to Maple Heights from a foreign country trying to tell you what to do? Would you not pick up arms against this invader? As much as you hate Obama(and I don't like him either) would you want a foreign power invading our country to overthrow him and after they are done installing THEIR puppet government.

Obama is a fascist, right? Those are your words. He is turning this country into a communist state according to the right. So I guess you would welcome foreign troops on our soil to save our country. You would offer no resistance if we were invaded tomorrow to overthrow our evil fascist communist ruler.

There is a difference between terrorism and defending your country against occupation and state sponsored terrorism.

You also know that the first Iraq war was over borders done by colonial powers. What business does the west have in Kuwait and Iraqi business? The Unites States told Saddam that it would stay out of Arab affairs, that is the only reason he moved on Kuwait to begin with, prior to that he was our ally.

[Pepperspray]

"Would you like somebody coming to Maple Heights from a foreign country trying to tell you what to do?"

About this comment you made, mapleman, we don't need foreigners coming here to tell us what to do, we already have mayors and councilmen telling us what we can and can't do already. They're telling us that we need to pay more taxes so they can blow it on worthless crap like new schools, a swimming pool and a rain forest, all of which will only be destroyed by the low-pantsers. They tell us if we don't like the loud music or kids bouncing basketballs off the sides of our houses, or the crime, then WE should move. You call city hall and complain that the snow plow trucks always jump the curb and dig out 1/2 of your tree lawn and you're listed as a trouble maker. So, we already have enough people that are dead from the neck up telling us what to do.

[mapleman]

LOL

That is true. We have our own problems over here and yet we are trying to tell people how to run their societies. We complain about them building schools here when they don't address the real problem, how about them using our tax dollars to build Iraq and Afghanistan.

Like Ron Paul said, enough of the empire building, let us focus on home.

[Pepperspray]

That's right/ All those billions of dollars going over seas to rebuild all of what we just got done blowing up. And probably 1/2 or more of that money goes into the wrong hands. We're probably dumping money over those backwards countries and they take the money and buy weapons to shoot bullets and bombs right back at us. lol. Talk about 'full circle'! lol!

[mapleman]

That's right pepper, they are protecting your 'freedom'. LOL We haven't had a full scale war to protect OUR freedom since World War 2. They have propaganda comparable to the Cold War soviets. How empire expansion is protecting my freedom is beyond me. Since most Americans don't pick up history books they fall for the propaganda.

You lived through 'nam. How did that war protect your freedom? LOL Total waste of American lives. Same thing with these current 'wars'. These aren't even wars they are occupations and a huge waste of tax dollars.

We can't even police Cleveland and we are trying to run Iraq and Afghanistan. LOL

[xxxrayted]

mapleman wrote:

Bush didn't do the proper thing to keep our country safe. He did the proper things to expand the empire. There is a big difference between empire expansion and safety.
Would you like somebody coming to Maple Heights from a foreign country trying to tell you what to do? Would you not pick up arms against this invader? As much as you hate Obama(and I don't like him either) would you want a foreign power invading our country to overthrow him and after they are done installing THEIR puppet government.
Obama is a fascist, right? Those are your words. He is turning this country into a communist state according to the right. So I guess you would welcome foreign troops on our soil to save our country. You would offer no resistance if we were invaded tomorrow to overthrow our evil fascist communist ruler.
There is a difference between terrorism and defending your country against occupation and state sponsored terrorism.
You also know that the first Iraq war was over borders done by colonial powers. What business does the west have in Kuwait and Iraqi business? The Unites States told Saddam that it would stay out of Arab affairs, that is the only reason he moved on Kuwait to begin with, prior to that he was our ally.

If we had stories of government forcing citizens to drink gasoline, and then setting them afire through the mouth, I would welcome occupation. If our government marched out suspected prostitutes, beheaded them, and then dragged their remains to the city garbage dump, I would welcome occupation. If our government went to the homes of people--grabbed their infant out of their crib, and burned his little eyes out with a cigar trying to get information against the government from the father, I would welcome occupation from another country. Yes, these are all stories told by Iraqi citizens after we ousted Saddam.

As for our government, many citizens are felling the same way as I do. AutoBama is losing popularity every day. Independents surveyed say they will be voting Republican next election. Other surveys now reveal that 40% of people consider themselves to be conservative, while 20% claim they are liberal. In another poll, 57% of people predict the end of Obama, and the return of a Republican president even though nobody is scheduled to run in 2012.

In our system of government, we can always get rid of people who are screwing the people. You can't do that in regimes that were formerly in Iraq. If you don't vote for Saddam, you will be found in an alley somewhere with your head cut off.

[mapleman]

So who cares about Iraq and their people? Seriously. Whatever he did he kept a stable country. Why should my tax dollars go to save them?

How is that war protecting MY FREEDOM? How is occupying Afghanistan protecting my freedom. Saudi Arabia does just as much barbaric sh@t to its citizens as Saddam did, why not invade them?

Come on xxx, how did the Vietnam war, which everybody knows we lost, impact your freedom? It didn't. Our country needs to keep our tax dollars here and stop letting our citizens die overseas for nothing.

As for people turning on Obama, it is to be expected. These same idiots voted Bush in 2 times. These idiots keep flipping between 2 sides of the same filthy ass coin and expecting change. Our citizens are pathetic and most don't deserve the right to vote.

I just would like you to point out one war since World War 2 that was fought for the freedom of the AMERICAN PEOPLE.

[xxxrayted]

First off, no war is a failure. Let me ask you: do we today have a north and South Vietnam? Do we have a north and south Korea today?

Just because you don't get everything you want doesn't mean you lost. The main focus at the time was to stop the spread of Communism, because if more and more countries became Communist, it would only be a matter of time before they unit, come here and took over our country where we would be severely outnumbered.

In the middle-east, the idea is to drain them of their oil before we drain ours. While people blame Bush and oil executives, we have this horrible environmentalist movement that won't allow us to use our own resources. So we get involved with Iraq, Iran, Palestine and others.

When Saddam went into Kuwait, his intention was clear; to take over middle-east oil. Now we have Iran who is quickly becoming a nuclear country. So what is a oil dependent nation like the USA supposed to do--close our eyes and mind our own business?

Let's face it, you use oil in your car, lawnmower, snowblower, shingles on our the roof of your house, the roads you drive on, the tires on your car, etc, etc. In spite of the technologies coming out, there will always be a demand for oil. Electricity can only go so far. You can't run trains on it, you can't support flight with it, you can;t create trucks with it, you can't run a military without it. Oil is here to stay, and our involvement in the middle-east is to secure our way of life, our transportation, our national security. And anybody who believes we can free ourselves from oil without a proper replacement is kidding themselves.

[mapleman]

First off, the U.S. said it would stay out of Arab affairs, that is why Saddam did what he did. Those borders were set up by Europeans who had no business doing so. If the U.S. had told Saddam that it wouldn't tolerate him trying to reclaim land Europeans took from him he would have complied. They told him to late so he had to invade or look weak.

Secondly, no communists were coming over here and doing anything. We are a nuclear country. I believe the term is mutual destruction.

Thirdly, the corporations and colonialism made the middle east a problem before any environmentalists came along. Europe also caved into creating a Jewish homeland for people that didn't belong in the middle east. See the Zionists conferences and the mandates.

Also, America is in Saudi Arabia because the Royal Family wants us there. This is like guarding Saddam from his people. The Saudi people don't want us there.

And finally we need to drill here AND use nuclear fuel. We do not need the middle east. We need to eliminate the war hawks, the Zionists and the environmentalists from making our policy.

[Guns and Hoses]

One of the reasons we're fighting those sand wars is to try to save the oil so we can buy it and use it. But think of all the oil we have to use to fight the war, oil and fuel for transport overseas to fight the war, oil and fuel to put into the fighting equipment and oil and fuel to ship back the dead. That's a lot of petroleum right there. And if they ever end this war, I can bet book on us finding another country to go blow up because someone there gave us the finger. We have enough terrorists here in our country to fight, like that jerk-wad Lt Col. that killed 13 people at Fort Hood and Anthony Sewell. Plus there's all the mini-terrorist we have here in Maple Hts that we call thugs. We should pack all them up and send them all to Iraq in body bags.