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Allentown seeks advice on future direction for police -- themor...

There are 101 comments on the The Morning Call story from Sep 15, 2007, titled Allentown seeks advice on future direction for police -- themor.... In it, The Morning Call reports that:

With the city slowly rebuilding its police ranks and starting new crime-fighting initiatives such as use of surveillance cameras, Allentown believes now is the time to get an outsider's opinion of how it should ...

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Jerry - Allentown PA

Whitehall, PA

#1 Sep 15, 2007
A CLOSED sign on the highways entering PA from NY & NJ would not be a bad thing.
debra

Allentown, PA

#2 Sep 15, 2007
gee, do you think we are a different city.We turned into philadelphia.Their mayor's never knew what to do either.NYC is safer than Allentown.It's about time someone reconizes we need outside help.How about starting with all the multi family homes and enforcing taht law...
hardened criminals

Whitehall, PA

#3 Sep 15, 2007
I got one....Unless there is a suspicion of drug or gang activity, keep your guys out of the massage parlors and on the street where we need them. Sure they are all illegal, but lets get some priorities here. If you are going to do a month long investigation, that's NOT the gang bangers we were looking to get off the streets
who cares

Emmaus, PA

#4 Sep 15, 2007
Pawlowski said no tax dollars would be spent on the consultant. He said the governor's office has provided money,is that still not tax money ?
NostraTimus

Tucson, AZ

#5 Sep 15, 2007
who cares wrote:
Pawlowski said no tax dollars would be spent on the consultant. He said the governor's office has provided money,is that still not tax money ?
Excellent point!!!

Democrats elected officials see all money as government money and therefore "their" money to do with as they please.

They see the "Taxpayers" as a bottomless pot of gold.

It's too bad that most Taxpayers aren't paying enough attention and can't be bothered with what's going on.

Pawloski's refinancing deal is the final nail in the financial coffin of Allenswamp and NOBODY seems to care (except a few Republican candidates).
Too little too late

Coaldale, PA

#6 Sep 15, 2007
From the article: "There currently are 188 officers on duty, with 202 positions budgeted. The city is doing background checks on more applicants now, with its next police academy class scheduled to start in January."
Comment:
There is another wave of retirements coming, and that will thin the police ranks further. We are already below the amount of police budgeted for, which is well below the 240 we were staffed at only a few years ago.
Why aren't recruits in the academy now? Because the Mayor is trying to balance the budget (and cover his overspending) on the backs of the police force.
What's the cost of that move? See below for answer (hint - it isn't rocket science).
Also from the article:
"FBI data released a few months ago showed violent crime increased in Allentown 25 percent in 2006."
Bonchi

Easton, PA

#7 Sep 15, 2007
Hanover Justice Group of Hanover, N.H., led by criminologist George Kelling. He is nationally known for his ''broken windows'' theory of crime fighting. It emphasizes paying attention to small problems and nuisances to prevent them from growing more serious, which also shows that a community won't stand for even minor crime.

I agree to some extent with the Broken Window Theory. It did wonders in many crime ridden neighborhoods in NYC and other metropolitan areas. This is part of the solution. We need more though. We need to keep reporting minor quality of life effenses to police and build a force that can respond accordingly. Right now all we have is a reactionary police force. They seem to only show up in droves when body bags and yellow tape are required. I fully understand that our neighborhoods are changing culturally, and as a result foreign and sometimes offensive customs enter our lives unwelcomed, but that is something we can do very little about, legally. We are a changing society due to globalism. We can however, encourage the decent people in Allentown to come forward and take a stand against the decline in the City of Allentown. As long as we blame an entire segment of our population we alienate a large part of the solution.

Placing blame can be used to pin point the problem, but we need to see past our noses and somehow find resolution. I, as a new arrival, to Allentown, love the customes and traditions that are unique to this region. The foods, music, and arts are great. The architecture is breath taking. The dedication some have given to the preservation of local history is admirable.

I can also see where some of the problems are simply by driving around. We are being challenged by different attitudes. Attitudes that sometimes seem to contradict everything most of stand for. I have come to the conclusion that one of the common denominators is poverty and not race. I know many wonderful succesful Latinos and Blacks who live the American dream and are as disgusted with the decay of City of Allentown. Instilling pride for self and community is a step neccessary to combat crime. We need to teach our children that opportunities abound for those who seek them. We don't need to have a welcoming committee giving out hand-outs. What we need to do is find common ground and make these opportunities available to all. I know that someday soon we will be in a better Allentown because we all decided not to give up and give in to the easy way out of simply placing blame and wishing the problem away.

To me fellow Allentonians, stand up and fight for the right to Live in peace and harmony.
HaHa

Allentown, PA

#8 Sep 15, 2007
NostraTimus wrote:
<quoted text>
Excellent point!!!
Democrats elected officials see all money as government money and therefore "their" money to do with as they please.
They see the "Taxpayers" as a bottomless pot of gold.
It's too bad that most Taxpayers aren't paying enough attention and can't be bothered with what's going on.
Pawloski's refinancing deal is the final nail in the financial coffin of Allenswamp and NOBODY seems to care (except a few Republican candidates).
Who cares where the money is coming from? Just so long as it's there. I would gladly pony up some extra bucks so that the city can get rid of the crime in the neighborhoods. We must give our police force any advantage it can get.
Wow

Bethlehem, PA

#9 Sep 15, 2007
Lets start with the projects how come they have nicer cars then me? How come grown men are living there? Lets legalize all drugs and let the idiots who are buying them kill them selves. It is 2007 we all know what drugs will do to us and we need to let people make their own choices and live with the consiquences. Then all the little boys and girls selling drugs will get real jobs pushing carts at the grocery store and maybe teach them some work ethic.

“Racism is un-American”

Since: Dec 06

America

#10 Sep 15, 2007
What a silly waste of time and money.

The police are doing everything they can in an impossible situation. The city is already spending a lot more money than it needs to spend.

Allentown does not need more enforcement. Allentown needs crime reduction. Crime reduction does not happen with more police it happens with smarter laws.

Reducing crime is the one thing we never hear from politicians today. All we hear about is the Bush strategy, SURGE! More police. More police. More Police. It is not working in Iraq and it is not working in America either.

If the mayor wants expert advice here is some for FREE.

Law Enforcement Agianst Prohibition http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php

They are an organization of law enforcement executives and experts who see clearly that the $ 144 billion black market economy created by the U.S. prohibition against regulating drug distribution is the CAUSE of the crime and addiction our country faces today. Nobel Laureate Milton Friedman was a founding member of Law Enforcement Against Prohibition. If Mayor Pawlowski wants exprts in law enforcement LEAP is the place to go to get them.

Another group, that the mayor should know about personally, the United States Conference of Mayors, after citing a litany of social ills caused by the prohibition against regulating the markets for intoxicant drugs, resolved:

"NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that the United States Conference of Mayors believes the war on drugs has failed ealth approach that concentrates more fully on reducing the negative consequences associated with drug abuse, while ensuring that our policies do not exacerbate these problems or create new social problems of their own; establishes quantifiable, short- and long-term objectives for drug policy; saves taxpayer money; and holds state and federal agencies accountable..."
U.S. mayors call for end to drug war

America's mayors are the largest groups of drug war front line elected executives who must mop up the blood in our streets and repair the damage done to our society by the billions of dollars in subsidies given to criminals and terrorists each year by the war on drugs policy.

Gangs thrive with drug money thanks to prohibition.

Gangs use guns to protect that illegal moeny and market.

According to U.N. world market estimates Allentown has a $ 51 million annual consumer demand for intoxicant drugs.

Lehigh co. has a $ 151,675,740 consumer demand for intoxicant drugs.

Northampton co.$ 129,794,076

More police will not stop this consumer demand.

Mayor Pawlowski needs to stop wasting our tax dollars just to EVADE the issues. The mayor needs to get all of our congressional representaives into this city and VERY PUBLICLY confront them about this failed policy that is doing so much harm to our city and our nation.

“Racism is un-American”

Since: Dec 06

America

#11 Sep 15, 2007
Sorry about the typo in the Mayor's resolution quote.

"NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that the United States Conference of Mayors believes the war on drugs has failed and calls for a New Bottom Line in U.S. drug policy...."

“Racism is un-American”

Since: Dec 06

America

#12 Sep 15, 2007
America's drug war policy is a welfare and cash subsidy program for criminals and terrorists.

Support for the drug war is support for crime, violence and on our streets and in the world.

We don't need more police we need fewer laws that create more criminals. the drug war is creating more criminals everyday. We criminalize people so they have no other economic opportunity and then we are surprised when they resort to more crime to support themselves. They get out of jail and join the ranks of criminals who replaced them in an ever growing population of criminals. The New York Times characterized this population as being 16 million strong and growing thanks to the drug war policy.

Mayor Pawlowski, grow some testicles. Denounce the drug war for the crime fostering and terrorism funding policy that it is. Nothing will change with crime on our streets until politicians grow up and confront the real problems. As long as the Mayor EVADES the real economic and social issues that CAUSE CRIME he will do nothing productive to reduce crime.
Sounds Familiar

Macungie, PA

#13 Sep 15, 2007
If their looking for outside help, please do not bring back another Chief Kuhn and his "inspectors". That's what made a lot of great officers retire because they couldn't deal with his foolishness. Also, start holding parenting classes to these people that keep their kids out all hours of the night and then send them off to school when they haven't had any sleep. They don't want to be in school and cause all kinds of problems when they are there. Allen was out of control yesterday when school let out.
What the

Allentown, PA

#14 Sep 15, 2007
Bonchi - The citizens who care must be the ones who step up to the plate. There are those who don't care believing it's someone else's problem. Than when crime hits a little closer to home, it's "why me". As HaHa states, we must give our police force whatever resources we can, including ourselves acting as the eyes and ears of the PD, joining neighborhood crime watch organizations etc, cleaning up the litter, getting to know your neighbor and their children. Yeech, you can go on and on. But it must start somewhere/sometime. Why not here and now??

“Racism is un-American”

Since: Dec 06

America

#15 Sep 15, 2007
I posted this yesterday on the thread about the shooting at Banana's. It is just as appropriate for this thread.
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Crime is mostly a function of poverty. Gangs thrive and grow when their members have no other economic opportunity other than the gangs.

'Illegal' intoxicant drugs are the most lucrative economic opportunity in America and the world today for criminal gangs, cartels and even terrorists armies.

The U.N.s most recent World Drug Report states, "drug trafficking remains the single most profitable sector of transnational criminality." $ 322 billion a year globally.$ 144 billion in the U.S.$ 6 billion a year in Pennsylvania.

As long as the government prohibits licensed and regulated businesses from controlling this vast wealth it will be controlled by addict drug dealers, gangsters and even terrorists. Of all colors and nationality.

Regulate the child dealers out of this lucrative incentive for kids to quit school and go to work while having fun and you will keep more kids in school.

Enticing under-educated and poverty oppressed kids with billions of easy dollars, drugs and the sexy gang culture is frankly uncivilized of American society. Regulate and license the kids out of the distribution chain and they will be left with the option to stay in school.

Regulate and license the violence out of the distribution and there will be fewer illegal dollars and markets to protect with illegal guns.

Fewer rationalizations for guns.

Fewer gang members in the first place to carry guns.

As long as the government prohibits regulating the anarchy out of the distribution of drugs the anarchy will grow.

Its all in the economics. Economists tell us that regulation stifles profitable thriving and growing markets. The intoxicant drug market is totaly unregulated. As a result it is extremely profitable for those will to take the risk. It is growing exponentially. it is thriving at the expense of lower quality of life for the rest of us.
What the

Allentown, PA

#16 Sep 15, 2007
aahpat wrote:
Sorry about the typo in the Mayor's resolution quote.
"NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that the United States Conference of Mayors believes the war on drugs has failed and calls for a New Bottom Line in U.S. drug policy...."
Interesting site Leap". I'll make it a favorite and read more of it in the future. Thanks.

“Racism is un-American”

Since: Dec 06

America

#17 Sep 15, 2007
In the simplest terms.

The wealth of drug money on our streets entices children into drug use and crime. The only morals and ethics between children and the drug markets are the morals and ethics of addict drug dealers, gangsters and social predators.

Drug addicts commit most of the street crime in America.

The Swiss have a program that medicalizes heroin use by having incurable addicts go to clinics where they get heroin prescribed along with public health needs addressed. This actually reduces crime and addiction.

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"In Switzerland, the medicalisation of heroin use has helped change the image of users: from rebels to losers," Nordt said. "In the eyes of the young, they're mostly just sick people, forced to get medical help."

Reduced consequences

The harm reduction policy followed by the Swiss authorities has also been successful in reducing heroin-related deaths, which have fallen by more than half over the course of a decade, and the transmission of Aids.

And there is more good news concerning the fight against crime and prostitution.

"Compared with countries like Britain, where crime is very often linked to substance abuse, this trend has almost disappeared in Switzerland over the last few years," said Nordt.
http://www.swissinfo.org/eng/front/detail/Swi...
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This is a proven program to REDUCE CRIME.

“Racism is un-American”

Since: Dec 06

America

#18 Sep 15, 2007
What the wrote:
<quoted text>Interesting site Leap". I'll make it a favorite and read more of it in the future. Thanks.
I'm glad you see something in it. The LEAP members are all law enforcement executives and experts who see real solutions that can REDUCE CRIME. Crime reduction is simply not in Mayor Pawlowski's lexicen at this point.

More policing will simply chase the problem around from one street corner to another. And cause the real problems to grow. Police simply take the weaker and dumber creeps off the streets. This leaves the market more open for the more aggressive and smarter gangsters.

Crime reduction is the only standard that I accept from politicians and police. Nothing in Mayor Pawlowski's proposals appears to adopt this standard.
finished

Riegelsville, PA

#20 Sep 15, 2007
Sounds like Steven Kuhn all over again. When will some one stop letting the Government in Allentown cover up the problems and stop the useless spending that goes on. ie : all the top friends, I mean executives the mayor has hired.They need more cops, period the end. Stop taking the crap from the touchy feely people and smack down on the bad guys.The end.
Citizen

AOL

#21 Sep 15, 2007
Sounds Familiar wrote:
If their looking for outside help, please do not bring back another Chief Kuhn and his "inspectors". That's what made a lot of great officers retire because they couldn't deal with his foolishness. Also, start holding parenting classes to these people that keep their kids out all hours of the night and then send them off to school when they haven't had any sleep. They don't want to be in school and cause all kinds of problems when they are there. Allen was out of control yesterday when school let out.
Actually the fights of about 200 students were not from Allen but from Raub. A shame when we need to have police depts. in the schools,.

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