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Mahtomedi / Wind turbine proposal picking up speed

There are 26 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Jun 13, 2010, titled Mahtomedi / Wind turbine proposal picking up speed. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

An idea to build a wind turbine in Mahtomedi is coming closer to fruition. All parties have signed off on a final agreement to build the 125-foot turbine on the eastern edge of land owned by St.

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BP CEO

Waterloo, Canada

#2 Jun 13, 2010
Can it fire up a toaster
MN Observer

Saint Paul, MN

#3 Jun 13, 2010
What is interesting about the wind turbines is that they cost more to build, install and operate than the value of the electricity they generate. They're a 'feel good' device and nothing more. They are not efficient enough to the the answer to our dependancy on carbon-based energy.
felix

Saint Paul, MN

#4 Jun 13, 2010
more dollars down the sssssshitttter !!!!
Polarmill

Delano, MN

#6 Jun 14, 2010
If the North Saint Paul windmill isn't proof enough that windmills don't work then build more..

Complete waste of money!!!!!!!!!!

Andy

Buffalo, MN

#7 Jun 14, 2010
We should start with the Capitol in St. Paul. Run that on 100% wind turbines and see how it goes.
Magic

Saint Paul, MN

#9 Jun 14, 2010
Demand an ROI on the windmill.

Demand accurate reporting on what the windmill produces.

Be prepared to loose lots of money.

Common Sense

Minneapolis, MN

#10 Jun 14, 2010
Wind energy doesn't pollute, doesn't kill people in its production or use and doesn't cause problems in the climate.

Looking at the mess in the Gulf of Mexico, I fail to understand how anyone in their right mind could oppose this.

Those of you who are patriotic might also note that wind power is something that is produced in the US and can't be cut off at the whim of an Arab nation if war breaks out again in the Middle East, as it inevitably will.
Paul

Saint Paul, MN

#11 Jun 14, 2010
Common Sense wrote:
Wind energy doesn't pollute, doesn't kill people in its production or use and doesn't cause problems in the climate.
Looking at the mess in the Gulf of Mexico, I fail to understand how anyone in their right mind could oppose this.
Those of you who are patriotic might also note that wind power is something that is produced in the US and can't be cut off at the whim of an Arab nation if war breaks out again in the Middle East, as it inevitably will.
"I fail to understand how anyone in their right mind could oppose this."

How about because it's not even remotely cost effective? If we had to rely on the wind for our energy needs, we'd be thrown back into pre-industrialization, war and pestilence.
Magic

Minneapolis, MN

#12 Jun 15, 2010
Common Sense wrote:
Wind energy doesn't pollute, doesn't kill people in its production or use and doesn't cause problems in the climate.
Looking at the mess in the Gulf of Mexico, I fail to understand how anyone in their right mind could oppose this.
Those of you who are patriotic might also note that wind power is something that is produced in the US and can't be cut off at the whim of an Arab nation if war breaks out again in the Middle East, as it inevitably will.
Read the following thread:

http://www.topix.com/forum/source/twincities-...

Note the postings by Polarmill and realise the North Saint Paul windmill NEVER SPINS. It cost $1,000,000 to build/install/remove and NEVER PRODUCES any electricity.

Mahtomedi is in the same area as North Saint Paul and there is no reason why a windmill there would produce any more electricity than in North Saint Paul.

NONE!!!!!!!!

Also note there are calls to have the North Saint Paul windmill removed because it is a hazard to people using the Gateway trail.

You see when a windmill fails parts from it fly all over as far as 1/4 mile from the site. There is a Youtube video of a windmill blowing up..

A windmill kills birds, produces no electrcity, and is a hazard and costs a lot of money.

In fact the North Saint Paul windmill cost so much money they had to close the beach on Silver Lake. Local residents contribuited to a fund to re-open the beach RAISING THEIR TAXES!!!

You see you just cannot build a windmill anywhere and expect it to work!

Placement of a windmill is very important, if it isn't a good site DON'T BUILD IT!!!
Andy

Buffalo, MN

#13 Jun 15, 2010
Common Sense wrote:
Wind energy doesn't pollute, doesn't kill people in its production or use and doesn't cause problems in the climate.
Looking at the mess in the Gulf of Mexico, I fail to understand how anyone in their right mind could oppose this.
Those of you who are patriotic might also note that wind power is something that is produced in the US and can't be cut off at the whim of an Arab nation if war breaks out again in the Middle East, as it inevitably will.
I strip you of your rights to use the nickname "Common Sense."
Adam

Blue Bell, PA

#14 Jun 15, 2010
Magic wrote:
<quoted text>
Read the following thread:
http://www.topix.com/forum/source/twincities-...
Note the postings by Polarmill and realise the North Saint Paul windmill NEVER SPINS. It cost $1,000,000 to build/install/remove and NEVER PRODUCES any electricity.
Mahtomedi is in the same area as North Saint Paul and there is no reason why a windmill there would produce any more electricity than in North Saint Paul.
...
If Mahtomedi plans on installing 20+ year old used windmills, I agree that it is a very bad idea. But, I would hope that the advances made since then would go a long way towards making them worthwhile. Please don't involve Polarmill in this. All that does is add about 6 useless posts for ever one that is on topic...
Magic

Saint Paul, MN

#15 Jun 15, 2010
Adam wrote:
<quoted text>
If Mahtomedi plans on installing 20+ year old used windmills, I agree that it is a very bad idea. But, I would hope that the advances made since then would go a long way towards making them worthwhile. Please don't involve Polarmill in this. All that does is add about 6 useless posts for ever one that is on topic...
You must understand Polarmill simply tracks when the North Saint Paul windmill is spinning. It never spins so it is nothing but a liability.

NOT an asset, of course Gobernut don't understand the difference!
Nonsense

AOL

#16 Jun 15, 2010
Hey, Common Sense, Mohtomedi is looking for voluntary contributions to assure this white elephant is built. I assume you will open up your wallet for at least a cool C note. They only have 50 grand to go. I have to admit that the projected 75K total cost is a lot less than the 417K paid for each of the castoff California clunkers that the MMPA bought.

Woodbury officials were looking for the MMPA whirleygigs to provide some data on which to base their decision on whether to allow them in their city? What information do you need on a stationary object?

Magic

Minneapolis, MN

#17 Jun 15, 2010
FYI, the Danwin 160s installed by MMPA were replaced with Mitsubishi windturbines that cost about $1,000,000 each.

However the Mitsubishi's are a lot taller and rotate at a much slower RPM. So they don't kill the birds that the Danwin's do.
Andy

Chicago, IL

#18 Jun 15, 2010
Adam wrote:
<quoted text>
If Mahtomedi plans on installing 20+ year old used windmills, I agree that it is a very bad idea. But, I would hope that the advances made since then would go a long way towards making them worthwhile. Please don't involve Polarmill in this. All that does is add about 6 useless posts for ever one that is on topic...
I looked at the Polarmill topic and all it had was garbage for postings.
StrongSupporter

Saint Paul, MN

#19 Jun 22, 2010
It's mostly funded with private money and donations, and it helps kids learn about energy independence. Maybe the kids will learn that wind is not perfect and they will be inspired to create better technologies as adults.
Magic

Delano, MN

#20 Jun 22, 2010
StrongSupporter wrote:
It's mostly funded with private money and donations, and it helps kids learn about energy independence. Maybe the kids will learn that wind is not perfect and they will be inspired to create better technologies as adults.
Tell ya what I know a physics major (grad) who designed and built a windmill from inexpensive parts. He cannot find a place to install it because the townhouse he's living in won't allow it. You cannot install a windmill in North Saint Paul an ordinance against it. You see North Saint Paul sells electricity to its residents and won't allow competition in the electric business.

I think the windmill is available IF the kids in Mahtomedi want one to study. Best check with city codes to ensure you can install it.
Mittens

Plymouth, MN

#21 Jun 22, 2010
There is a lot of misinformation here.

Wind power is a great source of energy, anybody who denies that is either pushing an agenda or simply ignorant of the facts. However, the key to wind power is LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION. North St Paul is a bad location, but wind power is still a very viable technology.

In a good location, wind power is only marginally more expensive per kWh than coal power--while much, much cheaper than solar. If you take into account the negative externalities of coal that the public has to bear, it's theoretically cheaper.

If you look at a wind resource map of the U.S., you'll see that we have many, many prime locations for profitable wind development. Investors and developers are buying wind turbines and building wind farms because they can actually MAKE MONEY and pay off the cost of building and installing turbines. Companies like Vestas can actually work with developers to estimate the length of payoff and micromanage placement of new turbines to maximize profits.

While it's foolish to think that wind power will 100% power the United States (Its intermittency rules that out), it's even more foolish to dismiss it because you don't know anything about it. It should be an important part of our electricity-generating portfolio. Just because North St Paul isn't an ideal location for wind power doesn't mean it doesn't work at all.
Gloves

Delano, MN

#22 Jun 22, 2010
Mittens wrote:
There is a lot of misinformation here.
Wind power is a great source of energy, anybody who denies that is either pushing an agenda or simply ignorant of the facts. However, the key to wind power is LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION. North St Paul is a bad location, but wind power is still a very viable technology.
In a good location, wind power is only marginally more expensive per kWh than coal power--while much, much cheaper than solar. If you take into account the negative externalities of coal that the public has to bear, it's theoretically cheaper.
If you look at a wind resource map of the U.S., you'll see that we have many, many prime locations for profitable wind development. Investors and developers are buying wind turbines and building wind farms because they can actually MAKE MONEY and pay off the cost of building and installing turbines. Companies like Vestas can actually work with developers to estimate the length of payoff and micromanage placement of new turbines to maximize profits.
While it's foolish to think that wind power will 100% power the United States (Its intermittency rules that out), it's even more foolish to dismiss it because you don't know anything about it. It should be an important part of our electricity-generating portfolio. Just because North St Paul isn't an ideal location for wind power doesn't mean it doesn't work at all.
Wind power is not reliable enough because virtually NO LOCATION has the constant wind to produce electricity needed by consumers.

There are areas with constant wind but few are near population centers where the electricity is needed. And as in the Boston Ma situation there is wind but the environmentalists don't want to see the windmills off the shoreline.

BTW there are maps defining areas of the country where wind is adaquate for some reliable generation and Mahtomedi is NOT in one of those productive zones. So ANY money spent on a Mahtomedi windmill will be wasted.

Someone is recording the operation of the North Saint Paul windmill (Polarmill) and the thing might work 10% of the time. AND it operates when the wind blows NOT when when the electricity is needed. There is NO WAY to store the electricity generated by these windmills when demand is so low it isn't needed.

Wade Gustafson

Saint Paul, MN

#23 Jun 22, 2010
Mittens wrote:
There is a lot of misinformation here.
Wind power is a great source of energy, anybody who denies that is either pushing an agenda or simply ignorant of the facts. However, the key to wind power is LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION. North St Paul is a bad location, but wind power is still a very viable technology.
In a good location, wind power is only marginally more expensive per kWh than coal power--while much, much cheaper than solar. If you take into account the negative externalities of coal that the public has to bear, it's theoretically cheaper.
If you look at a wind resource map of the U.S., you'll see that we have many, many prime locations for profitable wind development. Investors and developers are buying wind turbines and building wind farms because they can actually MAKE MONEY and pay off the cost of building and installing turbines. Companies like Vestas can actually work with developers to estimate the length of payoff and micromanage placement of new turbines to maximize profits.
While it's foolish to think that wind power will 100% power the United States (Its intermittency rules that out), it's even more foolish to dismiss it because you don't know anything about it. It should be an important part of our electricity-generating portfolio. Just because North St Paul isn't an ideal location for wind power doesn't mean it doesn't work at all.
Even with goverment subsidies, tax-breaks and power companies being FORCED to build windpower generators, it is no where near cost-effective. If it were cost-effective, utilities would be gladly building wind farms on their own without government mandates. Your claim that it is only marginally more expensive than coal-fired electricity is false. There is also tremendous waste with windpower because the same yahoos like Wellstone that has forced it through law upon us will not allow power lines to be built to transport the electricity where it can be used. A huge portion of the capacity is wasted because of the lack of power lines.

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