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There are 24 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Apr 26, 2009, titled Co-op seeks permit for 80-foot-high wind turbine in heart of No.... In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

The latest thing to dot North St. Paul's bare skyline might be an 80-foot pole with three 35-foot blades.

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Clint

Delano, MN

#21 May 1, 2009
$300,000 of "federal" money, NOT OUR MONEY mind you. To build a windmill that MIGHT power 100 homes 25% of the time.

That's right it's our kids and grandkids money, NOT OUR MONEY.

But you know the economy WILL keep growing just like the housing market kept growing. Does anyone see a MINOR problem with what the government is doing? What if the economy does not grow going forward as they say, have you seen anything go backward?

OK 25% of the time 100 homes might be powered by this $300,000 windmill. So in reality 25 homes might be powered by the investment of $300,000. So that is $12,000 per house and it's safe to assume it will cost some money to keep the windmill running. I'll bet the city will need to buy a helicopter to get to the top of the tower for maintenance.

So if an average monthly electric bill in NSP is $80 or about $1,000 a year the payback on the windmill might be 12 years, if the thing is still spinning after 1 year.

Remember this windmill is a used piece of junk which might stop functioning after a months use.

Boondogle for sure.

Everytime I buy a car part at a junk yard I'm disapointed, used windmills are the same.

Oh well a bigger concern is spending $5,000,000 for a utility garage with NO PUBLLIC VOTE!!

Of course because the city has its electric utility charging $300 more a year than Excel, the city needs this huge garage to park its trucks in.

North Saint Paul could screw up a wet dream!

unclefogey, keep up the flow of facts.

“Sustainability Now!”

Since: May 08

Vadnais Heights

#23 Mar 19, 2010
Clint wrote:
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Everytime I buy a car part at a junk yard I'm disapointed, used windmills are the same.
Oh well a bigger concern is spending $5,000,000 for a utility garage with NO PUBLLIC VOTE!!
So how many used windmills have you purchased upon which to base your assertion that they are "the same" as the used auto parts you have purchased? Just wondering.

Also, how many municipalities put public works projects up for votes? I haven't noted that practice anywhere else -- to what are you comparing the city of NSP?

As a resident of Saint Paul, who works in White Bear Lake, I have no dog in this fight.
Clint

Minneapolis, MN

#24 Mar 19, 2010
Madaman wrote:
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So how many used windmills have you purchased upon which to base your assertion that they are "the same" as the used auto parts you have purchased? Just wondering.
Also, how many municipalities put public works projects up for votes? I haven't noted that practice anywhere else -- to what are you comparing the city of NSP?
As a resident of Saint Paul, who works in White Bear Lake, I have no dog in this fight.

Consider yourself VERY LUCKY you don't live in North Saint Paul. Examples:

Property taxes are 30% higher than Oakdale. North Saint Paul takes in $5,000,000 more than Oakdale EVERY YEAR in property taxes. Where do you suppose the money goes??

Bulk item pickup residents pay for IF you use it or not.

City electric utility that overcharges for electricity, does not offer programs like Xcel, uses overhead lines unlike Xcel with buried lines.

Water utility that overcharges at every opportunity.

City built a $8,500,000 city hall AND moved the Dew Corporation INTO CITY HALL, how does tht work with government not paying taxes etc.

City built a $13,000,000 utility garage shared with the electric utility.

Installed the wind turbine that was used TWICE before they bought it.

Installed the wind turbine at a site that is rated POOR, I.E. it doesn't get good wind flow.

Installed the wind turbine for $2,000,000 which will NEVER generate as much electricity as could have been saved IF the city had simply funded an appliance upgrade program for residents. The city would not sell as much electricity IF they had upgraded appliances so that would NEVER happen.

The old Kiendals foods was being charged $4,000 MORE than Xcel for electricity EVERY MONTH.

7 years ago North Saint Paul single sourced the trash hauling. Residents have NO CHOICE in who picks up their trash.

The vendor (Tennis Corporation) picked for the trash hauling contract bailed out of the contract when the city of North Saint Paul DEMANDED KICKBACKS from Tennis. YES the city demanded KICKBACKS as a part of the trash hauling contract. That story was published in the Lillie news FACT!!

A year ago the City of North Saint Paul decided they wanted to install a citywide fiber network, for $34,000,000. They put it to a vote and residents voted it down 2-1 and yet the city of North Saint Paul continues to push for this NEW SOURCE OF REVENUE.

The city of North Saint Paul revamped highway 36 to the tune of $30,000,000 but closed all but one access to the main street, Margaret.

If you havn't noticed they didn't install an overpass at 120 and 36 so 40,000 vehicles will continue to face a stop light for another 60 years.

North Saint Paul is a little Socialist town represented in the legislature by Senator Chuck Wiger who is a pawn of the teachers union. Need I say more?

I'll add our state Rep is Leon Lillie who is pushing for the Rice street highway 36 revamp so the workers at the St Jude HOSPITAL can get over highway 36.

Of course like any correct liberal Wiger and Lillie are having a $3,000,000 bridge built over highway 120 for the bike trail. The bike trail is UNUSED all winter and recreationaly used in the summer.

Oh ya North Saint Paul property taxes ARE 20% higher than White Bear Lake AND even 15% higher than St Paul.
Owl Gore

Minneapolis, MN

#25 Mar 19, 2010
Wind power’s dirty secret: It has a carbon footprint
http://www.katu.com/news/local/87439577.html

Go nuclear, save the Raptors :
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story...

http://www.wind-watch.org/news/2008/07/24/new...

http://www.windaction.org/documents/13936

http://www.wind-works.org/articles/NRELBirdRe...





President Obama's Clean Energy Renewable Power Turkey
http://papundits.wordpress.com/2010/01/28/pre...

Renewable power, be it wind power or the two versions of solar power have this same reliability: 20%. Twenty Percent !

All that aside, that power delivery rate of only 20% at the absolute best should be enough to convince you that these things are next to useless. The only way they can even get off the ground is with the injection of huge amounts of money in the form of Government subsidies. The only thing that they can absolutely ensure is that the cost of electricity to the end consumer will be much more expensive.

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