Minnesota's Medicare payment disparit...

Minnesota's Medicare payment disparity could be impetus for nat...

There are 19 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Jun 27, 2009, titled Minnesota's Medicare payment disparity could be impetus for nat.... In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

Dr. Art Wineman watched as his 83-year-old patient coughed and coughed and then leaned her head against the exam room wall.

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The Big Bopper

Saint Paul, MN

#1 Jun 28, 2009
Just one more thing to look forward to as this particular baby boomer ages!
Minneartist

Saint Paul, MN

#2 Jun 28, 2009
Don't let the figures fool you. The reason they are not ordering more tests is not because they are being fiscally responsible but rather because they will not get paid the full cost of them. Medicare will not pay the full cost and many Medicare holders can not afford to pay the portion that Medicare does not pay. This would leave the doctors, clinics and technicians receiving less than their often overpriced fees.

Dr Frank Lippenheimer

Since: Mar 09

Saint Paul, MN

#3 Jun 28, 2009
"Part of the problem in health care today is that we have a problem saying,'We're done now.' "

That's why Obama & Co. want to completely socialize healthcare. That way, the Federal Government can decide who should get care and who should not. Won't that be wonderful?

Just think how much more efficient & cutting-edge our health care will be once Washington takes control of it. Just THINK of the savings the federal bureaucracy will achieve! And won't it be a relief to families and medical people that they will no longer need to make the tough decisions?
Gilbert Ward

Minneapolis, MN

#4 Jun 28, 2009
Canada, with a much higher per capita income than we, eliminates profiteering by controlling high cost of specialists, drugs, medical insurance, liability insurance, needless duplication and hospital fees. We should emulate them. Canadians have more choice, quicker service, service in remote areas and better health. Anything less will not do.

Dr Frank Lippenheimer

Since: Mar 09

Saint Paul, MN

#5 Jun 28, 2009
Gilbert Ward wrote:
Canada, with a much higher per capita income than we, eliminates profiteering by controlling high cost of specialists, drugs, medical insurance, liability insurance, needless duplication and hospital fees. We should emulate them. Canadians have more choice, quicker service, service in remote areas and better health. Anything less will not do.
You hear that, Mexico? Go North, amigos. WAY North. Canada will be far better at seeing to your medical needs than we can offer. That's why so many Americans travel to Canada for emergency medical services. There's no lines up there and everyone knows that Canada represents the cutting edge in global medicine.

And their schools are supposed to be really terrific, too.
Th Answer

Saint Paul, MN

#6 Jun 28, 2009
Gilbert Ward wrote:
Canada, with a much higher per capita income than we, eliminates profiteering by controlling high cost of specialists, drugs, medical insurance, liability insurance, needless duplication and hospital fees. We should emulate them. Canadians have more choice, quicker service, service in remote areas and better health. Anything less will not do.
Gilbert Gilbert Gilbert, you have no idea what your talking about. We should emulate Canada's system? Canada with a much higher income per capita than the US? In fact, the US's pci (06) is
$44,970 compared with Canada's 06 pci of $36170.
Canada has a 25% higher death rate from colon cancer, 1 reason, it takes up to two time longer to see a specialist in Canada. This is one of many examples, I used to live in Regina. They are light years behind us in everything, but most important are the innovations in healthcare.
If our system is so bad, why do we have the most medical device, pharm.......companies in the world? 99% of medical breakthroughs come from the US, yet the lefties dismiss this. When they disvover a new virus strain, do they send it to a Canadian medical company?
Oue system is not perfect, but it's by far the best in the world.
Th Answer

Saint Paul, MN

#7 Jun 28, 2009
2005 and 2006 IPC

Luxembourg 68810 76040
Norway 60890 66530
Switzerland 55320 57230
Denmark 48330 51700
Iceland 48570 50580
Ireland 41140 45580
United States 43560 44970
Sweden 40910 43580
Netherlands 39340 42670
Finland 37530 40650
United Kingdom 37750 40180
Austria 37190 39590
Belgium 36140 38600
Japan 38950 38410
High income: OECD 36506 38120
Germany 34870 36620
France 34600 36550
High income 34962 36487
Canada 32590 36170
Australia 33120 35990

Hey Gilbert......
Just another uninformed lefty.
Tom

Minneapolis, MN

#8 Jun 28, 2009
Another article written by an insurance company.
AzCatt

Saint Paul, MN

#9 Jun 28, 2009
Its fecal matter. My mom doesn't even go to the doctor anymore, she says she can't afford it, and she's already on Medicare. The health system in america is feces, pure feces.
Health Partners Sux

Saint Paul, MN

#10 Jun 28, 2009
They go for the cheapest, easiest way to treat patients, and the patient suffers. Health Partners is a business, their only concern the bottom line, adn that's why we have the problems we do with our health care system.
Tybalt

Saint Paul, MN

#11 Jun 28, 2009
Obamacare is the gateway to a fascist state.
Tybalt

Saint Paul, MN

#12 Jun 28, 2009
socialized medicine will redefine the relationship of the government and the governed in a very unhealthy way. Obamacare is socialized medicine, camouflaged but still very obvious.
Fact Man

Saint Paul, MN

#13 Jun 28, 2009
Th Answer wrote:
<quoted text>
Gilbert Gilbert Gilbert, you have no idea what your talking about. We should emulate Canada's system? Canada with a much higher income per capita than the US? In fact, the US's pci (06) is
$44,970 compared with Canada's 06 pci of $36170.
Canada has a 25% higher death rate from colon cancer, 1 reason, it takes up to two time longer to see a specialist in Canada. This is one of many examples, I used to live in Regina. They are light years behind us in everything, but most important are the innovations in healthcare.
If our system is so bad, why do we have the most medical device, pharm.......companies in the world? 99% of medical breakthroughs come from the US, yet the lefties dismiss this. When they disvover a new virus strain, do they send it to a Canadian medical company?
Oue system is not perfect, but it's by far the best in the world.
Could be both are wrong but certainly you both cannot be right. Canada on the average is better off than the US for the common person. Of course the rich in this country ( USA ) have the best, they also have the big bucks. Than the health care in Europe for the common person is better than what we have in USA. In USA when you take the millions of dollars for the few people and factor millions of people who have a few dollars that sort of does not tell the truth. We could take the system as in Canada but we could even do better, but for all. Not just the few rich. After all so many support anti abortion etc claiming they support life, then why not support a quality of life also ?
Bottom Line

Saint Paul, MN

#14 Jun 17, 2013
Seems the Doc from wb/hp doesn't think the senior is worth much effort. Now if he was 23, 33, or 43, even 53 and still working and NOT on Medicare but had private insurance he would give much more effort in diagnosing and helping that man. Tests galore. Bottom line is Medicare limits makes a quicker death coming for most seniors. Doctors and even the supplement insurance companies don't like dealing with it. Some Doctors won't take Medicare. And if that isn't bad enough, the Medicare RX part D is worse and could care less and know just how to put seniors off and avoid answering questions.
So line them up at the local Hospital for their lethal injections and get rid of the seniors so the Medicare staff can get a different job and have no one to be rude to and verbally abuse.
But remember there are many politicians, celebrities, CEO's, Doctors, Lawyers, Cops, Judges, Football, Baseball, Hockey players, Business owners, even retired Medicare employees that are 65 also. Be fair now, injections for all! Then no more Medicare!
Where are the Old Doctors

Saint Paul, MN

#15 Jun 17, 2013
Dr Frank Lippenheimer wrote:
<quoted text>
You hear that, Mexico? Go North, amigos. WAY North. Canada will be far better at seeing to your medical needs than we can offer. That's why so many Americans travel to sCanada for emergency medical services. There's no lines up there and everyone knows that Canada represents the cutting edge in global medicine.
And their schools are supposed to be really terrific, too.
Right, their probably run buy Islam terrorist living there. What a way to knock off some Americans!
Where are the Old Doctors

Saint Paul, MN

#16 Jun 17, 2013
Bottom Line wrote:
Seems the Doc from wb/hp doesn't think the senior is worth much effort. Now if he was 23, 33, or 43, even 53 and still working and NOT on Medicare but had private insurance he would give much more effort in diagnosing and helping that man. Tests galore. Bottom line is Medicare limits makes a quicker death coming for most seniors. Doctors and even the supplement insurance companies don't like dealing with it. Some Doctors won't take Medicare. And if that isn't bad enough, the Medicare RX part D is worse and could care less and know just how to put seniors off and avoid answering questions.
So line them up at the local Hospital for their lethal injections and get rid of the seniors so the Medicare staff can get a different job and have no one to be rude to and verbally abuse.
But remember there are many politicians, celebrities, CEO's, Doctors, Lawyers, Cops, Judges, Football, Baseball, Hockey players, Business owners, even retired Medicare employees that are 65 also. Be fair now, injections for all! Then no more Medicare!
Correction, this patient was a She, Not a he, the critical point is they are on Medicare. Oh, and lets not forget the injections for the retired Doctors!
Working Class

Saint Paul, MN

#17 Jun 17, 2013
Where are the Old Doctors wrote:
<quoted text>
Correction, this patient was a She, Not a he, the critical point is they are on Medicare. Oh, and lets not forget the injections for the retired Doctors!
How old is Obama, Biden and Pelosi? They probably won't have to worry about stinking Medicare!
fatbacks x

Spokane, WA

#18 Jun 17, 2013
Balls and two is eight and four more is twentythree. Equasion for health care billing in this gloryious land of decendants of criminals and retarded individuals booted out uf their native country.
More Info

Saint Paul, MN

#19 Jul 6, 2013
Health Partners Sux wrote:
They go for the cheapest, easiest way to treat patients, and the patient suffers. Health Partners is a business, their only concern the bottom line, adn that's why we have the problems we do with our health care system.
All the Medical Insurance companies are the same. For years we believed Blue Cross Blue Shield was the Best, Top of the Line, since then we have seen stories that make them appear like Health Partners and my guess is U Care, Humana, etc. are even worse. The kicker is when it's Medicare Time, it gets worse for the senior people who worked and paid in all their life. Our Social Security System can be extremely hard to deal with and utterly rude. They should answer their phones, but they forward them off to another state, and when you call that state, they rudely tell you to call your area office, and when you do, it goes right back to that state again. It's a vicious circle. When they make a mistake they do not contact you. You have to actually drive down to the office and hope they will tell you what is wrong. It can be a simple matter but they do not go out of their way to let you know. Surely they get paid for working and pay taxes & SSI like all working people do. They need sensitivity training. They certainly will not forget to take the money out of your Social Security Check for Medicare, no mistake in that area, which is forced on you at 65 like it or not, with limited services. So, does Obama have a clue or even care about this problem?

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