Beyond the call

There are 20 comments on the TwinCities.com story from May 10, 2010, titled Beyond the call. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

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Former Ranger

Vashon, WA

#1 May 11, 2010
Bill Schrankler, former principal: As an education professional you should know teaching is not a science in any definition of the word. Maybe a business person should be principal, they know the difference.
Gndydncr

Rochester, MN

#2 May 11, 2010
The people protesting the idea of an alternative path to teaching are doing so to protect their jobs and the jobs of their colleagues and defend their profession. I understand that. However, I need to be skeptical about their arguments and realize that there is probably a lot that’s being left unsaid. Today’s writer says,“Teaching is a science, having foundations rooted in research in psychology, human growth and development, statistics and public health, as well as many others.” And I have to ask,“Wouldn’t a person who has spent 20 years in the work place have a pretty good foundation in all those things as well?”
The writer also suggests that the only training the alternative teacher gets is 200 hours. You’d think that the tens of thousands of hours a person has spent in real life on the job experience should count for something, wouldn’t you? Who has more to bring to the classroom, the person with 20 years of full time experience or the person who has had four years of part time theory?

The writer makes the ridiculous example of an historian becoming a physician with 200 hours of training. What a red herring! My guess is that the bill is not suggesting that an accountant be hired to teach biology. Accountants would teach accounting. Biologists would teach biology.

Sorry, Mr. Schrankler, your letter is laughable. If you, as a former school principal, represent the logical, critical thinking of a typical traditional teacher, then we desperately do need an alternative path to teaching.
Gndydncr

Rochester, MN

#3 May 11, 2010
Former Ranger wrote:
Bill Schrankler, former principal: As an education professional you should know teaching is not a science in any definition of the word. Maybe a business person should be principal, they know the difference.
I would suggest that teaching is an art. There are many who have been formally trained to be teachers but are not very good at it and there are many who have not been formally trained in the profession but none the less are excellent teachers.
Gndydncr

Rochester, MN

#4 May 11, 2010
“It's wrong for government to target a certain group of people.”– Ann Galloway, Minneapolis

How dare the police target that certain group of people known as criminals?
How dare the homeowner target that certain group of people known as burglars and trespassers?
How dare the country target that certain group of people known as invaders?

Tell us, Ann, would you have the same empathy for Canadian squatters?

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#5 May 11, 2010
Anything scientifically based has a known response to known inputs. Force=mass*accelleration. Voltage=current*Resistance. E=Mc^2.

So, if teaching is a science, then why haven't "scientfic principals" adjusted the function inputs to achieve the desired result? That's because teaching as a science is pure hogwash, Mr Schrankler.
gzaiger

Minneapolis, MN

#6 May 11, 2010
Gndydncr - talk about throwing out a red herring! I think comparing harassing anyone who looks Hispanic to police targeting criminals is exactly the problem.

Now, I'm not saying I support making all the illegals citizens or decriminalizing the behavior, but the Arizona law seems to go beyond that. Like warrentless wiretaping, it seems our government is more and more trashing the Constitution to do whatever it wants in the name of "protecting us". It simply stinks that legal, native born Americans should have to prove their status on a daily basis because they resemble others who might be here illegally. I'l take a little less government intrusion any day.
Gndydncr

Rochester, MN

#7 May 11, 2010
gzaiger wrote:
Gndydncr - talk about throwing out a red herring! I think comparing harassing anyone who looks Hispanic to police targeting criminals is exactly the problem.
Now, I'm not saying I support making all the illegals citizens or decriminalizing the behavior, but the Arizona law seems to go beyond that. Like warrentless wiretaping, it seems our government is more and more trashing the Constitution to do whatever it wants in the name of "protecting us". It simply stinks that legal, native born Americans should have to prove their status on a daily basis because they resemble others who might be here illegally. I'l take a little less government intrusion any day.
Claiming that the Arizone-Federal law is a license to harrass is also a red herring. I guess we each get to believe what we want to about that.

I choose to believe the person who voted for the law.

http://tucsoncitizen.com/the-cholla-jumps/201...
Thomas Paine from MN

San Francisco, CA

#8 May 11, 2010
"target that certain group of criminals".

Gndydncr,
you really need to lay off the crack pipe
Gndydncr

Rochester, MN

#9 May 11, 2010
Thomas Paine from MN wrote:
"target that certain group of criminals".
Gndydncr,
you really need to lay off the crack pipe
That's not what I said. What are you on?
wjh

Saint Paul, MN

#10 May 11, 2010
gzaiger wrote:
Gndydncr - talk about throwing out a red herring! I think comparing harassing anyone who looks Hispanic to police targeting criminals is exactly the problem.
Now, I'm not saying I support making all the illegals citizens or decriminalizing the behavior, but the Arizona law seems to go beyond that. Like warrentless wiretaping, it seems our government is more and more trashing the Constitution to do whatever it wants in the name of "protecting us". It simply stinks that legal, native born Americans should have to prove their status on a daily basis because they resemble others who might be here illegally. I'l take a little less government intrusion any day.
You do realize that the Arizona state law is duplicating what is already federal law.

"In fact, proponents of the Arizona law have argued that's why new state immigration rules are needed; federal authorities are not doing a consistent job of enforcing immigration laws that are already on the books."
Source; http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/state...

I think you should be more upset with the Obama administration for not doing their job.
wjh

Saint Paul, MN

#11 May 11, 2010
Ann Galloway, it is so typical of you to participate in a march that creates violence and then pretend to be the victim. http://rnc08report.org/archive/608.shtml

The fact of the matter is the police HAD to control the streets, just because you have freedom of speech doesn't mean others have to listen to you! The world doesn't revolve around your opinion.

My mother gave me sage advice when I was young, she said beware of unruly crowds because some people will do things in a crowd they would never do on their own. I think the police understand this principal but unfortunately you haven't learned that yet.
Gndydncr

Minneapolis, MN

#12 May 11, 2010
wjh wrote:
<quoted text>
You do realize that the Arizona state law is duplicating what is already federal law.
"In fact, proponents of the Arizona law have argued that's why new state immigration rules are needed; federal authorities are not doing a consistent job of enforcing immigration laws that are already on the books."
Source; http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/state...
I think you should be more upset with the Obama administration for not doing their job.
Would that be an impeachable offense? I hope. I hope. I hope.
wjh

Saint Paul, MN

#13 May 11, 2010
Gndydncr wrote:
<quoted text>Would that be an impeachable offense? I hope. I hope. I hope.
I don't think so but certainly something we can run against for this fall and 2012. We can't even fire the pothole workers who don't do their jobs.

The sheer hypocrisy of it all just galls me, the President and many on the left get on their self righteous soap box and complain about a State law for the most part mirrors the Federal law and they have seizure about it.

They know deep down the Federal government doesn't have a stomach to do the right thing that the American people overwhelmingly support. I think that's why the President backed off this issue as quick as he could. These people are always looking at how to stay in power.

Federal & state debt, illegal immigration and health care are my going to be my issues to decide who I vote for.
Jackie from Mpls

Minneapolis, MN

#15 May 11, 2010
"Ann Galloway, it is so typical of you to participate in a march that creates violence and then pretend to be the victim. http://rnc08report.org/archive/608.shtml" ;

wjh, you don't make any sense.
the march didn't create violence.. the law-enforcement were the ones being violent by shooting off tear gas and rubber bullets. I was in that march. There were families in that march, which young children and many older persons. I was in the back with many of the older people who marched in the civil rights, and now were joining the poor people's march.
The young people who were attacked were just calling for peace. You couldn't understand the loud speakers that the police were using and whne you asked a cop what was going on they couldn't tell you or which way to go.
Con man

Saint Paul, MN

#17 May 16, 2010
Who wrote this letter? Will Rossbach is not considerate enough, intelligent enough, or professional enough to generate such an idea. Nor does he possess the writing skills to communicate so eloquently or the moxie to produce a letter of this quality. Who wrote this letter?
Beyond the Pall

Minneapolis, MN

#18 May 16, 2010
Beyond the Pall Interesting observation! I must say I tend to agree. If mayor Rossbach's intentions were sincere he would have had someone other than himself submit this editorial to remove all doubt and suspicion, real or perceived.
Can you spell patronize

Saint Paul, MN

#20 May 16, 2010
Will took advantage of Officer Joe Bergeron and his family to further his political career. The footnote identifying him as the "mayor of Maplewood" is all the evidence and proof one needs. Despicable.
Observer

Saint Paul, MN

#21 May 16, 2010
If the Maplewood Police Department and others would concentrate on keeping serious criminals like these off the streets, rather than on writing petty tickets for revenue enhancement purposes, perhaps these guys who committed this awful act of murder would have still been in prison. Also if the extreme liberals like this Mayor were not voted-in by the efforts of the AFSCME and other government employee unions, these guys would have still been in prision rather than out stealing cars.
Mapleweed

Saint Paul, MN

#22 May 16, 2010
Observer wrote:
If the Maplewood Police Department and others would concentrate on keeping serious criminals like these off the streets, rather than on writing petty tickets for revenue enhancement purposes, perhaps these guys who committed this awful act of murder would have still been in prison. Also if the extreme liberals like this Mayor were not voted-in by the efforts of the AFSCME and other government employee unions, these guys would have still been in prision rather than out stealing cars.
How about the Maplewood Police Chief? Tough to watch his crocodile tears...
Mike

Saint Paul, MN

#23 May 16, 2010
Observer wrote:
If the Maplewood Police Department and others would concentrate on keeping serious criminals like these off the streets, rather than on writing petty tickets for revenue enhancement purposes, perhaps these guys who committed this awful act of murder would have still been in prison. Also if the extreme liberals like this Mayor were not voted-in by the efforts of the AFSCME and other government employee unions, these guys would have still been in prision rather than out stealing cars.
You mean like handing out speeding tickets, setting up stings (entrapment), and harassing decent, law-abiding citizens?

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