What all cops know ... and never forget

What all cops know ... and never forget

There are 55 comments on the TwinCities.com story from May 12, 2010, titled What all cops know ... and never forget. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

The reminders of slain Maplewood police Sgt. Joseph Bergeron are around every corner of the police department - flowers in the report writing room, black mourning bands over badges, the sergeant's name on the placard outside his office.

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Gust

Santa Clara, CA

#66 May 16, 2010
I don't need cops. I am smarter, tougher, expert marksman and have more fire power than most small police departments. I'm on your side.

I use a drop screw driver or DSD. Minnesota is a duty to retreat, not a king of the castle state..

If something is stolen, I hunt them down like dogs and get it back. The cops don't have time for penny any thefts and burglary.

And if you woman and raped, hope Maplewood does not respond because they will treat you like a criminal. Right Lt. Kvaam? Myth night club, remember?

I had a guy jump out of bush in downtown St.Paul on Kellogg by the church. I punched him in the forehead and knocked him out cold. Maybe 5 witnesses. I just left, I don't if he is dead or alive.

Cops are just so good, the rest of use if we want to make it in SHIT HOLE world have to make up the slack.

Being in Army helped but everyone has to viligent to protect themselves. If your lawful take the carry course and get a Texas rattle snake killer.

You be surprised what a .410/.45 derringer to the face will help you young ladies to keep safe.
Gust

Santa Clara, CA

#67 May 16, 2010
Should have proof read...
oops

Lakeville, MN

#69 May 19, 2010
No spin zone wrote:
<quoted text>Farmington Mn, the only place in Mn where farmers can legally have sex with animals. And what kind of farming do you do........besides sheep?
Oh, poor spinny... picking a fight with your tiny brain is tragically misguided. Your idiotic stance on law enforcement and your laughable claim that you were actually a deputy, earns you ridicule beyond your living years. May god grant you functioning intelligence in the next life.
No spin zone

Forest Lake, MN

#71 May 20, 2010
oops wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, poor spinny... picking a fight with your tiny brain is tragically misguided. Your idiotic stance on law enforcement and your laughable claim that you were actually a deputy, earns you ridicule beyond your living years. May god grant you functioning intelligence in the next life.
After I read your post again it really became clear what a dip sh1t you are. If anyone knows me on these posts they know I am or have I ever been a deputy. So I think you should just head back to your basement and disappear again for a few months. You clueless stinky pants!
Patriot

AOL

#72 May 20, 2010
No spin zone wrote:
Back in my deputy days, issuing a "disorderly conduct" citation was great pay back to idiots who could not control their foul mouth. So what if the judge threw it out of court? It forced the fools to show up and in many cases shell out bucks for hiring an expensive attorney. I had to be in court anyway for other citations
This is your typical post from lawless enforcement.
This is the post I believe people are using. The lack of quotation marks leads people to believe you were a deputy at one time.
oops

Lakeville, MN

#74 May 20, 2010
Patriot wrote:
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This is the post I believe people are using. The lack of quotation marks leads people to believe you were a deputy at one time.
No matter how much you shove his nose in it, he'll never sniff his own bs. But yes, this is what I was referencing.
Bulldog

Minneapolis, MN

#76 May 20, 2010
oops wrote:
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No matter how much you shove his nose in it, he'll never sniff his own bs. But yes, this is what I was referencing.
One day you will click on link in here and your IPA will be grabbed. Wordpress plugins are great, you'd be surprised how much your computer spills its guts. Having an IPA is the key to your little world. Maybe you should be careful who attack on here. Just a suggestion, Farmboy.

There are people on here WAY over your pay grade.
oops

Lakeville, MN

#77 May 21, 2010
Bulldog wrote:
<quoted text> One day you will click on link in here and your IPA will be grabbed. Wordpress plugins are great, you'd be surprised how much your computer spills its guts. Having an IPA is the key to your little world. Maybe you should be careful who attack on here. Just a suggestion, Farmboy.
There are people on here WAY over your pay grade.
The day will never come when I am scared of a dbag such as spinny, or a computer nerd such as yourself. But by all means, take time away from your world of warcraft to try and hack into my computer.
Bulldog

United States

#78 May 27, 2010
Actually-- I played the real warcraft.

Have you ever shot a Russian in the face? didn't thinks so.

What were you doing back in the 80's Skippy? I know what I was doing. There was no internet as you see today.

We took a more hands on approach.

Stick with what you know best SMALLVILLE--being a clueless dummy.
Bulldog

Minneapolis, MN

#79 Jun 2, 2010
"The police are to the government as the edge is to the knife," insists sociologist David Bayley, who apparently couldn't explain why the typical tax-feeder isn't the sharpest blade in the cutlery drawer.

One suitable example is the specimen who ruined what was an otherwise pleasant drive to northern Idaho last Friday night (September 18)– a fellow whose finely honed sense of unearned privilege coexisted with an intellect whose acuity was roughly the same as that of a rusty butter knife.

I was part of a small group traveling to the tiny but beautiful village of Potlatch, where I was to give the keynote address at the Liberty Roundup, a forum featuring candidates for state and congressional offices.

My friend Scott Watson was behind the wheel, my wife Korrin and our seven-month-old son in the backseat. We had just passed through Lapwai when we caught the dreaded sight of running lights in our rear-view mirror.

Scott pulled to the side of the road onto a shoulder that proved too narrow to accommodate the donut-burner as he went through the familiar shakedown ritual. Thus instead of approaching the driver-side window, the officer – an officer of the Nez Perce Tribal Police – tapped insistently on the window next to me.

Yeah, I'll bet that this is going to go really well, I thought grimly to myself as I rolled down the window.

"What's your hurry?" began the officer, reciting directly from the big book of police clichés in a voice heavy with affected heartiness.

"I'm not in a hurry," Scott said in a composed but slightly annoyed voice, reflecting his commendable dislike of being patronized.

"Well, I have you going 72 in a 55," the officer continued in the same contrived tone.(This was untrue; we were in a 65 MPH zone, as the GPS on Scott's dashboard demonstrated.) He then asked where we were headed, then paused while Scott busied himself procuring the required documents. The officer then cast a glance around the interior.

"Oh, and I'll need to see ID for the passengers as well," he said casually.

Here we go, I thought.

"Why is that necessary?" I inquired in a level, formal tone.

"Because I told you so," the officer said with a slight edge to his voice, as if that settled the matter.

COMTINUED
Bulldog

Minneapolis, MN

#80 Jun 2, 2010
"I'm going to need a better reason than that," I explained in the same tone I had previously used.

During the pause that followed, I saw the officer's lips compress in frustration and color begin to flood the part of his face that was visible.

"The Idaho State Code requires that citizens present identification when ordered to by a law enforcement officer!" he hissed. "If you'd like, I'll bring the Code book and show you!"

"Yes, that would be nice," I said blithely, handing him Korrin's driver's license and my official state ID card (but not my license).

The officer (who made a point of keeping his badge, and thus his own identification, out of view) collected the paperwork.

"You just helped your friend get a ticket," he grunted in my direction as he turned toward his vehicle.

A few minutes later the officer's voice was heard behind Scott's car:

"Mr. Watson, would you step out of your vehicle? I want to speak with you for a minute."

Scott – an exceptionally level-headed fellow – shook his head and let out an exasperated sigh as he exited the car.

"What is he doing with Scott?" Korrin asked me.

"He's back there playing some kind of alpha-male game," I replied, predicting that he'd find some way to do Scott a "favor" in expectation of Scott's submissive gratitude.

To Scott's considerable credit, he remained utterly stolid in the face of the armed stranger's posturing. When he came back to the car, he was even more disgusted than he had been when he left – even though he brought the welcome news that he was not getting a ticket. As he handed our ID cards back to Korrin and me, Scott related the conversation to us.

"The first thing he asked me was,'How do you know William Grigg?'" Scott reported. "I told him,'Will is a friend of mine.' Then he said,'Well, you tell him that next time he encounters law enforcement, he'd better cool it!' Then he said that I wasn't going to get a ticket because I had been 'cooperative,' but warned that there were two state troopers between here and Lewiston and that they'd stop me if I went as much as three miles over the speed limit, so I'd better be careful."

Of course, the officer lied when he promised to show me the section of the Idaho State Code supposedly requiring passengers to produce identification, as I expected him to.

I didn't press the matter as forcefully as I could have because, after all, I wasn't the driver; I was willing to push back hard enough to make a point, but didn't want to cause further trouble for Scott.

The officer also lied when he said that his demand was backed by statutory authority. There is no section of the Idaho State Code that authorizes law enforcement to demand identification from a passenger in a vehicle, or the typical citizen on the street.

"A peace officer can require a person to display ID in a bar, or from someone who is driving a motor vehicle," explained Sgt. Clarence Costner of the Payette County Sheriff's Office in reply to my inquiry. "Officers can also check ID when there is probable cause of some kind that leads to an investigation of a crime – for instance, there's been a burglary in a neighborhood, and someone might fit a suspect description. And of course, they can check ID on a consensual basis, the same way they can carry out a search."
Bulldog

Minneapolis, MN

#81 Jun 2, 2010
However, Sgt. Costner emphasized, "there is no physical law that says people have to display ID on demand unless they're driving a vehicle."

"What about a passenger riding in an automobile?" I specified.

"No – you don't have to display ID as a passenger; only as a driver," repeated Sgt. Costner.

Locke defines tyranny as power exercised beyond right. The officer who demanded my ID was acting as a petty tyrant. Had he threatened me with arrest for refusing to produce it, he would have committed a crime specifically defined in the Idaho State Code: Title 18, section 703 provides that "Every public officer ... who, under the pretense or color of any process or other legal authority, arrests any person or detains him against his will ... without a regular process or other lawful authority therefor, is guilty of a misdemeanor."

The presumptuous intrusiveness of the officer who stopped us reflects a martial law mindset: Like most law enforcement officers, he sees himself as a caste apart from, and set above, the "civilian" population, and thus empowered to command submission from us.

More to the point: He sees himself as possessing innate authority, rather than authority derived from the law. He is the law, at least in the theater of his small and otherwise uncluttered mind. Note how his idea of a legal warrant is the phrase, "Because I told you to."

My polite but pointed rejoinder was based on the tacit but clearly understood question, quo warranto?– By what authority are you making this demand? This dispelled the officer's pretense that he is somebody to whom reflexive obedience is due, as opposed to someone whose authority – such as it is – must be considered derivative, limited, and conditional.

Sure, the officer succeeded in securing cooperation through a lie. But the frustration-inspired threat of collective punishment – "You just helped your friend get a ticket!" – and the impotent warning, delivered from a safe distance by way of my friend Scott ("tell your friend he'd better cool it!") give some indication, I suspect, of how deeply this encounter injured the officer's unearned sense of self-regard. Most acts of lawless police violence are committed in the service of that self-image, which is endlessly reinforced through training and peer socialization.

In 1992, amid a growing scandal provoked by a wave of criminal violence committed by the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department, an investigation was conducted under the leadership of James G. Kolts, a conservative Republican retired L.A. County Superior Court Judge who had been appointed by Ronald Reagan.

The resulting 358-page "Kolts Report" described a department that behaved in a manner largely indistinguishable from the conduct of a Third World death squad: Beatings, extra-judicial killings, planting evidence, robberies, and other undisguised criminal actions were commonplace; they almost always went unpunished, and were often rewarded.
Bulldog

Minneapolis, MN

#82 Jun 2, 2010
One particularly notorious officer, Paul Archambault, was a serial killer with a badge who twice gunned down unarmed, harmless people with extreme prejudice (in one case pausing to re-load before commenting, "He’s still moving" an unleashing a second volley).

On one occasion, as sheriff's deputies pumped round after round into a man named Hyong Po Lee following a pursuit, one San Jose police officer who witnessed the event commented to another: "We just observed the sheriffs execute someone." In the year prior to the formation of the Kolts Commission, there were several instances in which deputies back-shot unarmed people; none of the shooters was ever disciplined in any way, let alone prosecuted.

Summary execution was not the only distinguishing activity of the LASO's under Sheriff Sherman Block. In April 1989, a man named Demetrio Carillo was seized and beaten after he rebuked deputies for driving on the sidewalk near his home – one of many to face summary "street justice" for "mouthing off." Deputies were taught by Field Training Officers how to falsify official reports to justify an arrest after the fact when the real purpose of the arrest was to punish anyone who refused to display the required deference.

"This is the worst aspect of police culture, where the worst crime of all is 'contempt of cop,'" observed the Kolts Report. "The officer cannot let pass the slightest challenge or failure immediately to comply. It is here that excessive force starts and needs to be stopped."

The endless parade of abuses inflicted by police on citizens who fail to display the required docility testifies that this "aspect of police culture" has replicated itself nation-wide. In the company of my wife, our infant child, and a close friend, I encountered it just north of Lapwai, Idaho last Friday night. Things could have turned out much worse. Next time, they probably will.
Bulldog

Minneapolis, MN

#83 Jun 2, 2010
The NEW BROWN SHIRTS..

When they come for your guns shoot back or shoot yourself, because your freedom and life will never be the same.
Arnie

Dallas, TX

#84 Jun 5, 2010
Bulldog wrote:
The NEW BROWN SHIRTS..
When they come for your guns shoot back or shoot yourself, because your freedom and life will never be the same.
Were you born stupi, or did you work at it your whole life?

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