Men accused of raping 7th-grader in W...

Men accused of raping 7th-grader in White Bear Lake

There are 12 comments on the KSTP-TV Minneapolis story from May 11, 2007, titled Men accused of raping 7th-grader in White Bear Lake. In it, KSTP-TV Minneapolis reports that:

Two men are accused of raping a seventh-grade girl near her White bear lake home while her parents frantically searched the neighborhood.

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mjl

Since: Mar 07

St Cloud

#1 May 11, 2007
OMG this really hit close to home for me. Not only do we have a daughter that age and we used to live a block away from that house. We moved to another house in White Bear Lake. but man that is scary stuff and to think this girl will carry that around for the rest of her life these couple of ass clowns will be out of prison in 10 years looking for more thatís sick. So i ask you people if you were a dad and this happened to your kid would you take your own action or let our justice system handle it.
Pat

Minneapolis, MN

#2 May 14, 2007
I would make them pay for what they did. Tie them up and let the parents throw stones at them just like in the old days!
michelle

Minneapolis, MN

#3 May 15, 2007
Sometimes, we have to look at the total person, you also have to know that they were using METH, not to say that it makes it any better or an excuse for what happend. Lets also not forget that we are all human beings...human beings that need help. Instead of critizing , why not help them or educate them to be better people in society. Your so quick to throw stones,don't throw stones unless you know who the person is and who they once were.
I know one of them from a long time ago, he wasn't this meth monster, he was a normal guy that had a future...that guy wouldn't have hurt any children. Its very sad to see someone that you once loved on tv or in the newspaper, with the caption of being a child rapist. Remember only GOD,can judge!

mjl

Since: Mar 07

St Cloud

#4 May 15, 2007
Sorry Michelle i used to live right down the block from this house. You must not have any kids or youíre in politics. Because only someone like that could make a statement like that. And I think itís that attitude that enables these freaks to exists. That little girl wasn't using meth was she. The only mistake she made was walking down a street that she though was safe. So she should live her life thinking those were nice guys they just had problems ? Gimmie a break we all are nice guys with a futures the thing that sets us apart as people is the decisions and effort we put into ourselves. Education ? Okay i never went to Yale but i am curious to know what class or program you would have these fine young men attend to educate them not to rape 13 year old kids . Humm seems to me this should have been taught from mom and dad maybe not so much from tax payers or after they do it. Rehabilitation Should be proactive not reactive obviously one of them had a previous case for the same thing. Further more if this is your circle of friends you better know that god also says that if you lay with dogs you will soon be euthanized.
JAIME

Minneapolis, MN

#5 May 15, 2007
Michelle while using meth is a bad thing and no one should be using it. It is not an excuse for what they did. You say no one can judge but god while that sounds all nice and stuff we know in the real world this is not true. There are people called judges and the judge I hope locks them up and throws away the keys. Who am I to say this? Iím a citizen and a mother.
Am I critizing heck yes.. I think we as a society do plenty to educate. We see signs and ad on tv saying drugs are bad. In school we are taught to stay away from drugs and that it is not ok to rape a little girl. I think we do plenty of education. As the old saying goes you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make them drink. I think that people need to starting to take responsibility. I know that a big word that most people donít understand anymore but come on.

“Greetings from the Twin Cities”

Since: Apr 07

Bloomington, MN

#6 May 15, 2007
Ok, ok, ok. I have a comment. First, let me state my experience which I feels makes me a pretty good JUDGE in this case.
1- My daughter was sexually assaulted several years ago.
2- I was incarcerated in prison (not for sexual assault, but for drugs).
3- I used meth for 3 years straight.
Now, let me say, I hope the guys do get sent to prison.
I went through the emotional turmoil of "should I deal with it or should I let the cops deal with it." With my history of being involved with unsavory people, I was willing and able to deal with it myself. But as opposed to possibly having my daughter (who was already traumatized) grow up without a father, I deferred to the court system.(My father was also terminally ill with cancer and let me know that if the courts didn't handle it, he would.)
The guy is now doing 35 years (must serve 27 before eligible for parole) in Texas.
So, Michelle, I consider myself fully capable of throwing stones. I have cleaned myself up and have been clean for a few years now. I have a wonderful family and great kids.
I don't care what this person was like in school. It matters who he (or they) are today. They are molesters and drug addicts. Now, I don't condemn them for using drugs, that is their choice. But when the drug use impacts the community, then there is cause for condemnation. You stated that "I know one of them from a long time ago, he wasn't this meth monster, he was a normal guy that had a future...that guy wouldn't have hurt any children." Well, I am not the kid I was 20 years ago either... thank goodness. Unfortunately, your acquaintance has become a child molester. What he was no longer matters. It only matters what he is doing from here on out.
God can and will judge. But in the meantime (until your buddy meets his maker - which if fathers have anything to do with it, it may be sooner rather than later) we, as a community (or nation) will mete out the judgements and bury these two under the jail.
michelle

Minneapolis, MN

#7 May 15, 2007
ok, I understand what you are saying, I guess I'm always looking to fix people. Congratulations, on making a better life for you and your family.
nakedlobo wrote:
Ok, ok, ok. I have a comment. First, let me state my experience which I feels makes me a pretty good JUDGE in this case.
1- My daughter was sexually assaulted several years ago.
2- I was incarcerated in prison (not for sexual assault, but for drugs).
3- I used meth for 3 years straight.
Now, let me say, I hope the guys do get sent to prison.
I went through the emotional turmoil of "should I deal with it or should I let the cops deal with it." With my history of being involved with unsavory people, I was willing and able to deal with it myself. But as opposed to possibly having my daughter (who was already traumatized) grow up without a father, I deferred to the court system.(My father was also terminally ill with cancer and let me know that if the courts didn't handle it, he would.)
The guy is now doing 35 years (must serve 27 before eligible for parole) in Texas.
So, Michelle, I consider myself fully capable of throwing stones. I have cleaned myself up and have been clean for a few years now. I have a wonderful family and great kids.
I don't care what this person was like in school. It matters who he (or they) are today. They are molesters and drug addicts. Now, I don't condemn them for using drugs, that is their choice. But when the drug use impacts the community, then there is cause for condemnation. You stated that "I know one of them from a long time ago, he wasn't this meth monster, he was a normal guy that had a future...that guy wouldn't have hurt any children." Well, I am not the kid I was 20 years ago either... thank goodness. Unfortunately, your acquaintance has become a child molester. What he was no longer matters. It only matters what he is doing from here on out.
God can and will judge. But in the meantime (until your buddy meets his maker - which if fathers have anything to do with it, it may be sooner rather than later) we, as a community (or nation) will mete out the judgements and bury these two under the jail.
disbelief

AOL

#8 May 18, 2007
wow Michelle. you must not have kids. or you don't live in the real world. maybe BOTH huh???. you need to wake up and smell reality. I read your post a couple times to make sure I was reading this correctly.. I can not BELIEVE someone like you exists, to sit and make excuses for these freaks that are out there on these streets. you're basically saying give the weirdos a break because of this and because of that? so ok they were using meth so society should let this SLIDE?????? I'M SHOCKED. our society is covered with meth and all sorts of illegal drugs,, if everybody thought the same way you do our communities would be a mess, with or without meth these guys are sick. yes they need help, but not sympathy nor be given the benefit because QUOTE they are on "meth" AGAIN. wake up. smell the coffee, this is not normal action. the guy is sick in the melon, 10 bucks says even if he wasn't on meth he's obviously got a screw loose somewhere.
bye the way MJL, your post was awesome. well said. and I totally agree with you. this is bizaaaaarreee. Michelle please don't go into law enforcement. you're much too forgiving for these freaks. we'd have a mess on our hands
have a great Friday
disbelief

AOL

#9 May 18, 2007
forgot to add,, must be nice to live in never never land. smile
Sheila-Katy Texas

United States

#10 Oct 22, 2007
My comments is that this was not a black man, because if it was/ he would be consider a dirty low down dog that need to be bury under the jail house or fried and laid to the side. Most time when you are not black it is always an excuse...he or she had a hard life, parents were not there or they were molested before...bull S--t!..they just want to do what they want to do..remember we are all the same in God sight. This poor little girl with be messed up for the rest of her life...PLEASE MAKE NO EXCUSES FOR MONSTERS LIKE THIS
Proud WBL resident

Minneapolis, MN

#11 Nov 6, 2007
Why do you have to bring color into this? This is not a statement in any of the reports and not important in this situation! They are CHILD MOLESTERS, straight up! There is NO excuse for the no matter their color, religion, education or history. Come on people... do you not see that our society is turning into a freak show. Do you honestly feel safe when you go out or even in your own home? We need to be on a watch everywhere we go because of jackasses like these guys! Whether you have kids or not, put yourself in that little girls shoes! She is hurt for the rest of her life... for a 5 minute thrill for the molesters. Get rid of them! Our maker put us on this earth to respect and appreciate our community, and serve as a reponsible citizen. They only make EVERYONE's live miserable.
Jessica

Minneapolis, MN

#12 Feb 3, 2014
Well here I am after all of this has happened to me. I'm 20 yrs old now and happily engaged to a wonderful man. Yes living with this is not easy but somehow I managed to get through it, and its not easy. It completely hurt me, and I never trusted anyone. I became this monster who would always end up running away in and out of juvie and jail once I hit 16. Now I heard that the one guy only got 1 yr because it was his first offense. The other guy got more because I had to testify against him a yr later after it all happened. I'm happy with who I am today. I'm happy I found someone right for me, and I'm glad to be the person I am today.

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