Monticello wins fight over broadband

Monticello wins fight over broadband

There are 69 comments on the story from Jun 19, 2009, titled Monticello wins fight over broadband. In it, reports that:

The way has been cleared for the city of Monticello to build its own state-of-the-art phone, video and Internet broadband service to compete with local phone and cable companies.

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#65 Jun 25, 2009
As you can see, any story concerning government involvement in providing fiber optic service, at least at a city level, brings out the great example of the city of North St. Paul. Other posters and myself who also are NSP residents, know fully well that even though the city lost the issue by a TWO to ONE margin, they believe they have the high ground and will continue by hook or by crook to shove a city owned system down our throats. Evidenced by the presentation at the city council meeting where the election results were given, they first made a presentation that the city would not stop the quest for Polarnet, the election be damned. They would use alternate methods.

We in NSP live under the cloud that the city with its "Enterprise Activities", electricity, garbage, sewer and water, will build up slush funds from these activities through overcharges, in order to provide Polarnet start up funding.

At least the results of the court decision will take away NSP's position that funding of a fiber optic network by the use of revenue bonds where the investors take the hit if it crashes and burns as opposed to the taxpayers under general obligation bonds, can not be used under their explanation that revenue bond funding only brings lawsuits.

By the way, the population of NSP is less than 9,000 and dropping like a rock.
A Caring Student

Maple Grove, MN

#66 Jun 25, 2009

Saint Paul, MN

#67 Jun 25, 2009
Just had to take a look at the Monticello home page to confirm Hiawatha Broadband Corporation was involved in their project.

Yup, good old HBC has a general manager working on the Monticello fiber project. It isn't clear if he is working for HBC or the government fiber company, blurred linkage.

HBC is the SAME COMPANY involved with the North Saint Paul fiber project called PolarNet, that name just warms the cocklels my heart!!

If anyone is interested I can produce the marketing documents on PolarNet that compared fiber running at 1 GIGABYTE to existing offerrings from private companies. 1 GIGABYTE WILL NOT BE OFFERRED TO A HOME PC, no time soon!!

PolarNet was also going to support an application (killer application as they are called) that would allow students to take a class from home. I traveled to a small town in Minnesota that is all fiber provided by HBC and asked if they use the "KILLER APPLICATION", the answer was NO!!

Another Killer Application was a medical application allowing people to live in their houses longer, having worked for a bio-tech company I KNOW there is NO SUCH THING.. In fact telemetry uploads use a standard telephone because those kinds of lines are available ALL OVER and there is NO NEED for fiber speed!!

Non-conditiond phone line works just fine.

There is mention on the Monticello home page of medical information transfer Killer Application, I would be interested in what it is they will be using this for.

However there is NO MENTION of the "take a class from home" Killer Application. Does that raise any eyebrows??? IT SHOULD BECAUSE THAT EXPOSES THAT KILLER APPLICATION AS PURE BS!!!

<rolls eyes>

Good Luck Monticello residents, you will need it!

Watch your taxes go up up and away!!

Long Lake, MN

#68 Jun 26, 2009
Monticello "HOPPED INTO BED" with a high priced broadband provider:

Recently, the Benton Foundation held a discussion on independent broadband. And as Ars Technica reports, rural broadband providers wanted to clear the air about rural areas and demand—namely, that despite reports to the contrary, there is a demand:

“It clearly is a myth,“ declared Gary Evans of Hiawatha Broadband Communications, a rural ISP based in Minnesota.“We are not a low priced provider in any community that we serve, but we are a broadband provider.“ In one rural region, Evans noted, 60 percent of the population signed up with the company “before we put a shovel in the ground.“

“Now, I would suggest to you that if there’s no demand out there, that simply would not be the case,“ he insisted.

Minneapolis, MN

#69 Jun 30, 2009
A third AirBus has broken up in windy weather.

This fleet of government built planes may have to be grounded.

Saint Paul, MN

#70 Jun 30, 2009
What is Monticello going to open next a supermarket? a gas station?

Minneapolis, MN

#71 Jun 30, 2009
North Saint Paul has a monopoly on:

1) Electric service.
2) Water supply.
3) Sewer.
4) Parks.
5) Community Center.
6) Library.
7) House building, building only house in town.
8) Road repair/maintenance.
9) Fire fighting.
10) Law Enforcemnt.
11) EMS.
12) Building permits.
13) Fiber network.
14) Storm Sewers.
15) City budget management.
16) Tax levy.
17) Windmills.
18) Cell towers.
19) Treating lakes with poisen.
20) Bike paths.
21) Road design.

North Saint Paul wants to supply: TV, Phone, Internet service.

Best little Socialist town in the USA!!

tww wrote:
What is Monticello going to open next a supermarket? a gas station?

Minneapolis, MN

#72 Jul 10, 2009
Here is another example of a city ramming a project down the the throats of the taxpayers:


Another blow to the Burnsville Performing Arts Center. When is the city going to address these issues such as the fees, booking acts in the 1,014 seat theatre that will sell out?

"Orensteen said that he hopes to bring bigger acts to the arts center's 1,014-seat main stage at some point but the fees for the black box theater were too steep for his small club."

Wow, worst case scenario of losing $300,000 a year has nearly been exceeded in the first third of the year?

The city of Burnsville better get their act together and address this runaway train of losses now, or are they going to just sit and watch the train wreck and plead ignorance at the end of the year with a ~$1M loss and continue to hemorrhage these losses which will be placed at the feet of the tax payers of Burnsville?

I would like to see an article that addresses what the City of Burnsville and more specifically Mayor Kautz is doing to mitigate the PAC losses that are three times what was identified as the worst-case scenario. Mayor Kautz, speak up and stand front and center and address this as you pushed this boat anchor upon the citizens of Burnsville without listening to the thousands of Burnsville residents who pleaded with you to put at least put the PAC to a referendum.


Government has NO BUSINESS developing commercial stuff better offerred by a private concern! In Burnsville once again the taxpayers are taking a bath!!
Did Monticello win

Minneapolis, MN

#73 Mar 27, 2010
So now a private company, Google, is going to install fiber in some towns FOR FREE!!!

Does ANYONE see the future?

AND a company in Minnesota is testing a wireless internet technology where one antenna covers an entire town.

The future is in WIRELESS, with iPods, blackberrys, xpods etc is where the future of data communications is.

The future is in wireless!

So the Hiawatha Broadband Corporation (HBC) was unable to "Make the deal" in North Saint Paul BUT they did reel in the town of Monticello. HBC is now installing fiber in Monticello Minnesota.
After hearing about the FREE Google installations going in how do you think the Monticello residents feel?

I mean Monticello residents are "On The Proverbial Hook" to pay for a fiber network when other towns will be getting FREE fiber networks from Google.

Thank Goodness NSP residents had the sense to vote down PolarNet. Had they followed the city PUSH for PolarNet NSP residents would have been on the hook for $34,000,000 to build the fiber network.

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